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Hi Robin, You would be welcome to join our two man crew onboard Scarlet Emma leaving from Brundall Friday afternoon. pm me for details.  John

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See?

The forum back to it's normal best.

Thanks John - very good of you, Cheers

I'll leave it for you pair to sort out the logistics.


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HI Griff
We have room on Sanderling for 2 more if any body needs a ride salty side,,, we can sort out details at a later date


kindest regards  Russell

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Thank you John, have sent you a PM.

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Thanks Sanderling - very good of you.

I had only the one request for a passenger - Robin as previously mentioned.

However there may well be another one/two forumites out there that may wish to take you up on your kind offer.


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Robin

You are welcome aboard Secret Lady as a back up if needed. The flybridge provides a good vantage point but I can't guarantee it'll be stable!

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Bridge Lifts

Griff has asked me to liase with Yarmouth Port Control regarding the booking of the bridge lifts for the exit to sea.

As high water is at 09:40 on 12th July at Gorleston, I would suggest we probably need to be exiting through Haven bridge at about 09:00. The water can run very very fast where it is squeezed through the bridge with some big eddys, so getting through at slack-ish water will be easiest for those with lower powered engines rather than trying to fight the 5-6 knot current that can sometimes occur there.

I have spoken to Bridge Operations already, just to ask if there are any issues with a large number of craft passing through in one go. I have been told it isn't a problem (other than the natives getting a little restless).

Normally the lifts at Breydon bridge and Haven bridge are synchronised such that Haven is lifted 5 minutes or so after Breydon (outbound) to allow vessels to transit Breydon and congregate near Haven. This obviously means holding station against the tide for a short while. There is plenty of room for this between the bridges.

It may be possible for some of the lower air-draft vessels to pass through one or both Bridges without waiting for the lift. This is perfectly acceptable and may ease any congestion. The published clearance heights for the bridges at average high water are 13' for the fixed span at Breydon (11'6" for the lifting span) and 9'6" for Haven. To this end, I would be grateful if all participants would PM me with the air-drafts of their vessels in order for me to be able to have a better idea of how many boats may get through without requiring the lift.

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The flybridge provides a good vantage point but I can't guarantee it'll be stable!

If our Robin is onboard - I guarantee it won't be!  Evil Grin


Oh and BTW - PM on it's way ref airdraft 'B.A' as requested.


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Finally I have the list of those who will be allocated places on the MTB and Humber sea trip. Sorry it's a little later than originally promised

Outbound from Lowestoft

MTB
Readyabout x 2 people
Silver Gem x 2 people
Spelelogist x 2 people

Humber
Fidear45 x 3 people
Tricxy x 2 people
Sternmoor x 1 person

Returning from Great Yarmouth

All parties will transfer from their outward bound vessel to the other boat for their return run, thus giving everyone a chance to take lots of snaps of both boats and be able to say "I went on both of these!"

Thank you to all participants who have agreed to pay MTB trust £25 per person for a contribution to the cost their trip. This should be paid to Richard Basey before departure from Lowestoft please!

I would hope that you will feel able to make a further contribution to their ongoing challenge of maintaining these boats for the future heritage. There is no doubt you will have a memorable trip :e.g.:

There is a waiting list started, so please PM me if you cannot participate and I can pass your place on.

Simon


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Bridge Lifts

Thank you to those of you who have sent me your air-drafts so far.

One comment that has popped up from a couple of people is that whilst they can fold bits down to get a lower draft, they would prefer to leave them up and go through with the lift (which will be required for some boats anyway). I'd just like reassure you this is not a problem at all.

Something that might be worth considering though, is lowering bits at the other end. The lifts for Bascule bridge in Lowestoft occur at set times during the day, and are not booked specifically for certain vessels like Yarmouth is. With this in mind, there will be around 19 of our boats, but could potentially be other vessels not connected with the C-in-C and this is a large number of boats to hang around in the outer harbour and bridge channel.

I have spoken the Lowestoft Harbour, and they are happy for vessels to pass under the bridge if they are able without a lift, with prior permission by VHF or mobile. The clearance under the bridge will have to be ascertained on the day, but ranges from around 7' to 10' depending on tide.

Lower vessels being able to get a head start up Lake Lothing would also help ease the congestion at Mutford Lock, where space to hold station is severely limited.

Cheers

Mark

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More news,

NavPlan:-

I have finally found time and also manage to converse with Richard Bassey (Skipper MTB and Humber)

All sailors will know the tides have a huge influence on passage planning.  Added to that in our case are bridges both at Yarmouth and Lowestoft.

Yarmouth as Mbird has informed is is not such a problem as lifts can be pre-booked.  At Lowestoft the Harbour bridge (Bascule) has set lifting times.

So the early stages of the NavPlan are primarily governed by the bridge at Lowestoft, both for the heritage craft exiting and all of us entering. (Well those that need a lift)

MTB102 and Humber will rendezvous with our flotilla off Gt Yarmouth at midday - 1200.

Therefore we need to sort out timing departing Berney Arms to arrive outside the piers no later than 1145.  We can of course arrive earlier at the rv point and just amuse ourselves accordingly

The flotilla will enter Lowestoft outer harbour for a bridge lift at 1430.

We have effectively a 2Hr 15m sea trip 1200 - 1415 out at sea.  The distance from the piers at GYA to Lowestoft is a shade under 10 miles.  So an average speed over ground of 4:5mph will do it

BUT we will have tide against us.  I will promulgate exactly how much tide and speed on another post later on, but assuming your vessel can make a minimum of 6mph through the water you will be fine.

Passenger timings and more details for MTB102 and Humber for both legs of the sea trip - Mirage will post these up shortly.

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Any thoughts on the above?  If any - Lets get them discussed and then I'll amend the first post accordingly of this thread


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