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Sauron
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Roy's Hotel? tounge-in-cheek

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Chelsea-by-the-Broads?

Or, if the predicted coastline retreat continues then Chelsea-on-sea!

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Anything is better than the delapidated eyesore being replaced surely? The old hotel wasn't exactly an aesthetic ambassador for the area in its recent condition.

I was unaware that people buying property in the area were so unwelcome. Seems that their money is happily grabbed at every opportunity though. Maybe tourists, but not their wallets, are equally unwelcome to the NIMBY fraternity too? Question
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Dibbler has a point here in my opinion.
Nobody complains when an outsider offers them a higher price for their home than a local. That is seen as market forces and the vendor is happy to trouser the extra cash.
Nobody complains when their local area becomes a popular second home / holiday home /retirement zone and therefore increases the value of their personal house.
Nobody complains that second home owners pay 95% council tax and use virtually nil services. Therefore subsidise other locals.
Nobody complains that outsiders that come in support all sorts of local businesses.

And yet outsiders could easily get the impression that they are not wanted.
Fortunately though it is only a minority that seem to to believe that there should be some kind of restriction of movement on British nationals in Britain. Most are actually very welcoming indeed.

Please, please no reposts about local housing for young local people.
Firstly nothing has changed on that aspect for a century in the private sector of the market.
Second ... the world has moved on and most young people now move on with it. Jobs etc require that in today's market.
My 3 offspring are all at Uni at present and it is extremely unlikely that the jobs that they will end up with will be in Norfolk. They may not even be in Britain either. So that is 3 out...do not forget that they will not be locals wherever they end up either.

The modern world requires modern solutions to housing and that is not with us yet due to rabid Nimbys, the conservation industry and lilly livered politicians.

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Lets wait and see what the replacement is actually to be before we start howling nimbyism and such. I'd rather see it being housing for the wealthy, or for the poor or even for the average than a derelict eyesore that benefited nobody at all.
Yes I'd hate to see it become a Tesco or other supermarket, nor would I like to see it become another branch of Roys, if it were in competition with an independent shop already established in Hoveton, but even any of those would be an improvement on that which has just been pulled down.


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Exile, no, it's not nimbyism. Years ago I worked in Chichester Harbour and lodged in a delightful village called Bosham. House prices down there then were four times that of Lowestoft and certainly well above house prices in, shall we say, less attractive areas in Sussex. During the winter Bosham was deserted, allegedly only one in nine properties being locally owned. The locals had been squeezed out. The same today can probably be said of Southwold and Blakeney. Local ways, local values and local accents are lost, probably for ever, something that I think is to be regretted. It's not that I, and many others, don't welcome incomers as people, just that we regret the change that immigration brings with it. Nothing personal, not nimbyism, just an affection and respect for what we grew up with.

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What would you do about that issue JM? Ban people from moving to an area? Give certain British people a different status to others based on their birthplace?

There is clearly an issue but not one that can be addressed unless we allow a huge increase in development wherever there is demand.

A good local example would be Burnham Market in North Norfolk. 72% of the village is either second or holiday homes. Virtually empty this time of the year.
Recently a 1960s bungalow was purchased for 950k, demolished and a an eyesore costing literally millions is being built on the site. A tiny cottage will set you back 500k in the centre of the village.
There is a considerable divide between the few remaining locals that have not yet cashed in their properties and those incomers.
What can be done about it? Truth is nothing. As a local village Burnham Market is lost. It has however taken on a new life as something completely different. Some will like that, others hate it. It is simply a new way of life there.
Why get hot under the collar about it. There is simply no point pee-ing into the wind. It will change nothing and only one person will get wet feet...
Now if the Nimbys, planners, conservationists, government etc would allow large scale development there one of two things would happen.
1. More incomers.
2. It would become less exclusive and incomers would start to leave, prices would drop and the village would change it's identity again.
Truth is that the first would probably happen. There seems to be no shortage of people with money to burn. We need to accept that and welcome whoever comes.







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Exile you have just made the point exactly.....although you havent realised it.

Second home owners pay 95% council tax subsidising locals etc etc.......Im not quoting you word for word I havent the time.

Second home owners 95% of the time are probably elsewhere by the very nature of the term "second home". They are therefore spending their cash elsewhere which is obviously not in support of the local community.  Not only have they pushed the price of the property up but a lot of the time it will stand empty.  How is this any good for the local economy?  Its the attitude of the wealthy being discussed it has no bearing on "outsiders". If you intend to live in the property and contribute not only by paying your council tax then I dont see a problem.  If you want a 2nd residence to spend a few weeks a year its a problem as far as I can see.  Theres obviously plenty of money in your pockets try seeing it from the other side.  In all honesty I would rather see TESCOS than homes for the wealthy, theres enough of those in wroxham already.... At the very least a Tesco would bring in some jobs.  What good would homes for the wealthy do other than make the site look pretty

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Good location for commuting into Norwich by car or Train. I think if they developed some nice apartments they would soon be filled, you have everything you need within walking distance and it is not a green field site which is a bonus. There will always be some who can afford more than one home be it home or abroad I don't see a problem. My home in Blakeney was bought from a Norfolk family who wished to downsize to Cornwall. My half share farming/sporting interests are in Sussex the previous owners have moved to South West France. People are mobile today like never before. If you want to get on in life that is what you have to do.  Whole communities have had to change with the loss of our traditional industries but the bogey man is always the guy with a holiday home! He is no different from the boat owner or mobile home owner who gets away at weekends really.

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Look at it that way and before to long its possible a place like
Wroxham could easily end up with a population made up of 50%
holiday home owners and 50% actual residents.  Paying 95% of your
service charge does not keep the local post office, petrol station,
dress makers or whatever afloat now does it because there is maybe
a 60-70% population available at any one time.  A boat is a holiday
home along with caravans, chalets and such like, to make a
comparison to bricks and mortar is a little bit short sighted.  The
people it benefits ie you the 2nd home owner will defend it till the
cows come home. The people it affects will always have other ideas.  
Its the im alright Jack atitude through and through.

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My "second" home in Sussex employs four on the farm
plus another 12 on shoot days. My family sold that farm
when I was four and it took me until I was sixty four
to get it back. It also provides homes for two families
who work there. A blanket "I hate anyone with more than
one house" is like the jealousy you used to hear in the
early sixties when a chap had more than one car. Work
is the keystone, there is no point bashing on about
people not being able to stay where they were born if
they can't earn a living and that is why so many
cottages became holiday home because they got on their
bikes to find better employment.

JM lovely place Bosham

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find them.


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