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Hi all

I'm looking for advice.

My friend and I have bought our first boat, and we want to move it to our new mooring at wayford bridge next sat 03/11 sun 04/11.

The boat is currently at Geldeston and we need to cross Breydon Water to get it there. I understand a little bit about slack water at Yarmouth, but unsure has never done this before , we was thinking to stay overnight at Reedham / Burgh Castle / Berney Arms and leave about 45-60mins before slack water at 7.35am  on the sunday, can we do this? how long will the crossing take?

The airdraft of the boat with screens down etc is 6.8ft, the boat is an alpha 31 aft cockpit and 1.5 bmc diesel.

Is there anyone else crossing south to north that weekend that we could follow? or if anyone has advice on how to cross etc, we'd be grateful.

Many thanks
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Gary

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Broadsmad hi,
I'm no expert but a regular hirer and crossed Breydon many times. Your plan looks fine. If you moor overnight perhaps at the Berney arms and leave at 1st light approx 07:00 you should be good.  Berney to Yarmouth YS approx 45 mins. Jusy hope it's not foggy. The following link will give you more advice.
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/broads/live/boating/safety/waterways-code/Breydon_web_strip_09.pdf
In addition should you leave from elsewhere if you follow the link at the bottom to my website it has a distance travel time chart and river level rise and fall chart.
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If you are leaving from the Berney Arms, you want to leave at as near the start of slack water as you can.
Whilst that will mean punching the tide for a bit on Breydon itself, you will have the benefit of the tide behind you up the Bure. Better a bit late than a bit early.
I've always liked the lines of the Alpha 31, very sleek. Which yard at Wayford are you going to? Eother is very handy for the Wayford Bridge inn Smile
I wish you luck finding company for the crossing, but honestly, it's not the nightmare that people might think.

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Good advice by MM.
I would make sure i arrive at Yarmouth about 1 hour AFTER slack water as it is easier to go up the Bure with the tide.


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I';d agree don't go up the Bure from Yarmouth agaisnt the ebbing tide.

Tomorrow I will be posting a video of what happens when you do just that, and it is a bit spectacular to say the least.

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Hi

Here here, better late than early as the ebbing tide out of the Bure is really strong and it makes it hard going up the Bure.

Last crossing over, after the CinC well 3 weeks after Smile , we got to Gt. Yarmouth Yacht Station exactly 1  hour after low water slack, big mistake, should have been at least 1/2hr later. On the last part of the Yare just before the turn we  were doing 4.5mph, turned into the Bure and we were down to 1.5mph!!Now I know Bounty's with the hydraulic drive struggle against the tide but I thought "oh no, I'm going to have to wait at the Yacht Station" and I hate stopping there.

Fortunately we were pulled over by the Rangers, I thought I'm only doing 1.5mph!! but what they wanted was to ask if I had any Jump leads!!!  LOL. Yeah I have some, what for? "Out engine won't start", it was the Patrol Boat! Managed to jump start it and that wasted some time, enough to get the tide to turn. A nice outcome for all  Smile .

Remember better late than early and have the tide on your back than front.

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Check the sunrise times.You really don't want to be crossing in the dark!

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Just to confirm. First light/sunrise is estimated at 07:00 on Sun Nov 4th. 06:56 to be precise. Lets hope not a misty/foggy morning.  A link to more info.
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/boating/navigating/getting-through-great-yarmouth.html

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Its an interesting thread this one  Cool Indifference  
A couple of years ago I posted about going up the Bure
past the Yacht Station around half an hour AFTER
slack water and I was nearly hung from the yardarm!
If you go up too soon, you will fight the tide all
the way up the Bure.
Distance from YS to Ant mouth is about 17mls and the tide
difference is about 3hrs. (for round figures)
It follows then that if you can afford to wait a little
longer, you will have the tide with you all the way.
With the airdraft that you have, you should have no
problems with the bridges, but maybe fog at this time
of the year.

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quote:"we got to Gt. Yarmouth Yacht Station exactly 1  hour after low water slack, big mistake, should have been at least 1/2hr later. On the last part of the Yare just before the turn we  were doing 4.5mph, turned into the Bure and we were down to 1.5mph!!"


With all due respect, I think you may have meant after your 1 hour calculated time for slack water, rather than when it actually was on that day.


"Slack" by the very meaning of the word is when the tidal flow stops, just before it reverses. (Note, not the rise and fall, which is quite different there).

If you had arrived at Bure mouth at the genuine low water slack time for Yarmouth YS, (let alone an hour later), you would have encountered no current at all, and then a gradually increasing favourable current, as you made your way up the Bure.


I always aim for just before low water slack when transiting Northwards, because I'd rather not have anything "pushing" me along, in case I have to stop or go backwards to avoid someone. Indeed, I find an initial  1 mph adverse current gives much greater manouverability through the bridges and past the Yacht Station moorings.

The general consencus for slack at Bure mouth is Gorelston bar low water plus 1 hour for the YYS differential plus 1 hour for slack, (not forgetting also that many published tide tables also need correcting for GMT/BST as well).





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