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gusty
Jul-06-2011 @ 12:29 PM                           Permalink
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Hi,
I am a refurbished sea hand from the 50's just retired to Norfolk and buying  a Hampton 25,
I'm looking for some help regarding reversing and
and the movements attached to mooring.
I have had other boats like Sea-masters,Shetland,
Freemans, never ever had any problems until now
with my Hampton 25 Mk11.
It just has a mind of it's own in reverse so I'm looking to someone out there that can throw any
advice. Is It ME is it the boat, or is it just one of those things or is there a secret mod that needs doing

I would appreciate any help I can get, its a nice boat but has this fault in moving around

All the Best & Take care

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Jul-06-2011 @ 12:51 PM                           Permalink
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Hello gusty,i reckon you might just need to practise your movements a bit,or you could have a rear end problem,does the boat suffer with wind blowing it around by any chance?
Andy

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Hi, gusty,
Please be advised that a Hampton Safari cannot be trained to go where you want it to go in reverse. I tried for 8 years and failed miserably.

When going backwards, the flow of water over the miniscule rudder is insufficient (at low speed) to have any effect on the boat's direction. At full pelt, there might be some steering effect, but please don't try it anywhere near me!

Now I'll try to be helpful  Smile

The 'secret' is to use fore and aft throttle, combined with full lock on the rudder, to get the stern aimed roughly where you want it to go, then go back fairly slowly, making adjustments as aforesaid as you go. You will find there is a 'prop walk' effect as you reverse. The water being pushed off the propeller will try to swing the stern one way or another, depending on whether your prop is right or left handed. An easy way to find out is to stop on a Broad, in clear water, away from any other boats, and reverse fairly hard. Get a member of your crew to tell you which side of the boat the prop is pushing the water out from. The stern will go in the opposite direction.

Safari's, in common with other flat top bathtubs, don't like the wind in their face. Sailing boats and 'pointy' motor cruisers will happily lie head to wind. Not so a Safari. It prefers to have the wind up its... erm, behind it. Something to be aware of when mudweighting.

Leaving a lee bank in a goodly breeze is another exciting manoeuvre. It can be impossible to do, going forwards, as the wind will blow the bow in again. Reverse is the solution. Again using forward throttle and full left or right rudder, with someone holding the bow into the bank, kick the stern out to 'split' the wind and reverse from the mooring in a calm seaman-like fashion.

This is the short answer  Smile  If you'd like any more suggestions for taming a Safari, please pm me.

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Hello Andyfish,
Yes its all over the place when  its windy
I have tried to back it outof a dead end mooring
in the wind and its so embasing its untrue , I have also noticed its very touchy when moving forward, it keeps on wandering right and left.

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We had a Hampton for 10 years and all the symptoms described are familiar.

Going backwards in any wind, the boat will tend to "weather vane" from the prop. i.e. she will want to reverse into the wind. The trick is to get the boat moving astern and then use a short, fairly assertive burst of forwards combined with the appropriate steering to adjust the attitude of the boat without doing enough to entirely halt the backwards progress. Then more reverse until a further adjustment is needed.

Find out which way the boat turns more sharply going forwards. Ours always turned tighter to starboard than to port. When manoevring in tight spots try to take advantage of this fact.

When doing a U-turn in a river, always turn bows into the wind. If you put your stern into the wind you will quickly end up on a lee shore.

I came to the view that what little steering control there was available in reverse was better at slightly less than full lock. At full lock, I think the rudder just stalled and acted as a brake rather than a steering device.

The twitchyness going forwards is because you are sitting at the front and getting little feedback about the effect of your steering movements, coupled with the lag between you turning the wheel and the boat obeying. The answer is just to steer less - both in terms of frequency of adjustment and in amount of wheel turn. You will find that the boat will settle down and progress steadily up the river. Always use less lock than you think you need and wait to see what effect you have had.

Phil

This message was edited by Torty on Jul-7-11 @ 12:18 PM


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