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ANDY...WHO
Sep-30-2005 @ 9:19 AM                           Permalink
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AS REPORTED IN THE EDP TODAY, PLANS ARE BEING PUT FORWARD FOR A NEW BROAD IN GREAT YARMOUTH.  THE PICTURE IN THE PAPER SHOWS IT BEING LOCATED ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF YARMOUH,  AS YOU APPROACH YARMOUTH, IT WILL BE LOCATED ON YOUR RIGHT HAND SIDE.
FOR FURTHER DETAILS CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW, IF IT DOES NOT OPEN, THEN GO ON WWW.EDP24.CO.UK  YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND IT THEN.

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Ambitious project but sounds like a good idea. Would be an even better idea if it allows us to bypass Grot Yarmouth to get to the southern Broads...a plan with no drawbacks  Playful



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Sep-30-2005 @ 9:37 AM                           Permalink
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Well that is precisley where I suggested there should be a wakeboarding venue but I see that English nature are already homing in on things.

Let's hope that this time someone talks sense Mad

"What do you mean it hasn't got a prop anymore? Is that why we are not going anywhere!!!"  Bill...

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I'd welcome the idea of a new broad, at what must be about the furthest point from one at the moment, but I don't like the idea of connecting it to Breydon Water if that idea is part of the scheme. Whilst I can appreciate the attraction of being able to dodge Yarmouth, at the same time I feel that would lose the most exciting challenge of Broads navigation.

I'm no expert on hydrography, but I'd have thought that as the "New Cut" would form a shorter route to the sea for the Bure it would then cause the old route to silt up and become little more than an "ox-bow lake".

Even if it didn't, everyone would tend to use the shorter route and Yarmouth Marina / Yacht Station would become even more neglected than they are now, which I don't see as a good thing. I've thought for years that the area had enormous possibilities for development should the political climate ever get back to favouring domestic holidaying again. This would probably kill that possibility stone dead.

Also, a "short cut" would have the effect of reducing the practical length of cruising river, which again seems bad. I'd support a "long cut" that gave us a newer and more circuitous route to explore, but not this.

If, as Michael Green famously said, Norfolk Broads sailing is "boating about in muck", then Yarmouth must surely be the jewel in the crown! Wink

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I suspect that a short cut is not on quite simply because you would have to elevate both the road and the two railway lines which would cost too much

"What do you mean it hasn't got a prop anymore? Is that why we are not going anywhere!!!"  Bill...

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Hmmmm.  Without wishing to sound negative, it would be nicer if the Broads Authority were in a position to secure £25M of lottery funding to maintain the existing waterways without having to dig new ones.  And as there is no mention of the broad being connected to either the Bure or Breydon, there would be no benefit to navigation.

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The ox-bow lake point is well made but as regards Grot Yarmouth being a 'challenge' to Broads navigation I don't fully agree...not as regards powered craft. Now wind-powered craft yes...I can see Grot Yarmouth being a major task and a test of a helmsman's skill. Wouldn't the ability to sail a new broad and connect with Breydon give masses of free sailing time in a wide open environment rather than having to wind up and down a tortuous, unlovely approach to Yarmouth? (Unlovely at least from the North).

I'm no sailor but the thought of all that open water and being able to rip along with only the sound of the water and the wind...does that not appeal? Surely that's better than the trip past delapidated and run-down areas? I know that funds should be made available to regenerate Grot Yarmouth but let's be honest, Tony B'liar would rather waste the money elsewhere...


Just seen your post BarcnacleBill...didn't realise the link-up was a non-starter...

I agree the money would be useful to spend on the existing system...let's see if common sense prevails...yeah right!  Smile





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Yes but to reiterate, there is no mention of a link to the existing navigation.  Olympic sailing is mentioned, but that would be dinghies brought on trailers.

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Sep-30-2005 @ 11:14 AM                           Permalink
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I seem to remember reading somewhere a few decades ago that a linkage between the Bure and Breydon was under consideration then,where they run quite close (at Scare gap I believe, where they are less than 500 metres apart).

As BB said, there doesn't seem to be any mention of this new 'Broad' being connected to the river, so it may have no effect on the navigable system anyway. Indeed, as it would then have a tide range of 2 metres, it would make recreational use much more difficult.

The idea of a shortcut between the Bure & Breydon has many attractions, but the alteration to tide flow would have a significant impact on a wide area. It could actually improve the existing Yarmouth section, as the tide flow (but not the height range), would be more than halved, making the Yacht Station a much safer place to moor.

On the other hand, it would allow a greater tide range and current speed upstream, all the way to Wroxham and Potter, if the narrow winding section through Yarmouth were bypassed. Tidal effects are much stronger on the Yare and Waveney than they are on the Bure and Thurne for this reason.


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If I remember correctly the original idea was in no small part founded upon the use of what was being dug out being used for defence work so to that extent it represents a positive contribution to the navigation. I also seem to remember there being talk of the need for half tide sills to prevent the last of the Ebb being even stronger. If so the new broad whilst fed from the Bure would not be truly linked to the river system.

Personally I would very much welcome the idea as long as it is not just another wilderness.  The hole to be dug would have to be quite deep if it is to have water in it at low tide even with barriers, which would mean that in effect it would be in a natural amphitheatre.  With some soft landscaping this might well mean that even power boating would not be visually or audibly intrusive.

If increased demand for mooring at the yacht station and Marina Keys resulted, who knows they might actually get round to longitudinal pontoons that go up and down with the tide. Now that would transform the moorings. There could even be a rationale to reinstate a new bridge close to where the old rail bridge to Yarmouth Beach Station used to be.  A road bridge here or slightly further north and addition to serving any facilities at the new broad could also provide a link between Caister Road and the Acle Straight avoiding Vauxhall Bridge. The racecourse is close at hand and I can quite see this whole area becoming a thriving tourist attention.  


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