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Does anybody know the laws with regarding carrying canoes on top of cars.

I was thinking of buying a Canadian Canoe ( we loved out Sutton Staithe experience so much ), but my car is a soft top leaving my wife's car as the mode of transportation. Slight snag being she has a Mercedes A Class which I think is around 12ft  long where as most of these Canoes are 15-16ft long. Apart from looking a little daft, is this illegal ?

Warning, I will sulk if anybody says that it is ! Evil Grin

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No, Michael, I think you are right - it would look daft.

Don't worry though, I have the perfect solution.  We can just simply swap cars!!! I really don't mind.

No, please don't mention it, no thanks needed!  Anything to help a fellow boater!!!  Smile

Mine's a Focus - would look great with your canoe on top - honest!!!



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Sorry Michael it's been a very long and boring day....thank goodness for this site I say!

I did find a website which may be interesting, although exceptionally expensive, regarding folding canoes.

www.folding-canoe.com

I can't comment on the legalities of carrying canoes on roof racks though - sorry!

Best regards


Christina


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Hello Michael,

I don't think there is any regulation regarding size, only that the load is secure, does not exceed that stated in the car manufacturers handbook and that the fore and aft ends are secured to the vehicle also.

This link may be useful:
http://www.car-roofracks.co.uk/canoe-kayak-racks.htm

Harry

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My understangding is that nothing on the roof rack should extend beyond the length or width of the vehicle. I'm afraid I can't remember where I got this bit of info from (might have been an Land-Rover magazine), but I doubt if it is enforced anyway. Good excuse to get a bigger Merc!

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My neighbour used to transport his canoes on a roofrack on his vw passat if this helps.
If not the solution could be to put the two ends side by side and bring plenty off ducktape. Evil Grin

Regards Bern.
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Hi
If you think a load looks wrong or unsafe on any motor vehicle then sooner or later a friendly policeman will agree with you and find some rule or other to issue a fixed penalty or worse. I have always kept roughly in line with trailer overhang laws when carrying loads on roof racks:
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"Marking of rear overhang
Between 1m and 2m, ensure the end is clearly visible by attaching a piece of cloth or similar.
Between 2m and 3.05m, a marker board as defined in the Regulations must be fitted and illuminated at night.
If the overhang is more than 3.05m, an attendant must be carried and the police must be notified 2 days before commencing the journey."
Source http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/law/dimensions.htm
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Also this form the Amateur Rowing Association
http://www.ara-rowing.org/news/040501_trailers.php

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Trailer and Car projection
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Within the Road Vehicles Regulations Act of 1986, there are special regulations that pertain solely to ‘boats propelled by oars’. The act is currently being re-drafted and it is imperative that the rowing community do not abuse the privileges or they could be taken away.
Simply put, the regulations allow singles to be carried on normal salon cars, pairs on larger estate cars and non-sectional fours on specialist boat trailers (even if they overhang the lighting board). Similar regulations apply in Belgium and Holland, however in the rest of the EU, no projection is allowed at all.

In the UK we are allowed up to 3.05m of overhang (forward and aft), but no more than 305mm projection on either side of the vehicle/trailer. The regulations require that a ‘dangly red/white tape’ must be attached from the ends in daylight, and red (rear) or white (front) lights with reflectors at night. The rule of thumb in defining night is if man-made lights are brighter than the natural background –then it’s lights time. All lights that are fitted to the trailer must be fully functional and number plates must be proper yellow reflective ones if you drive at night. The popular soggy bit of cardboard not only attracts adverse attention but is only legal in daylight. Where several boats sections create a wide overhang then lights need to be attached to both sides. Better still use a purpose-built lighting and reflector board. Reflective triangles are not required by law, but are obviously prudent and helpful to other road users who may not be familiar with a sculling boat on the roof coming out of a side road on a wet night. The important point is to alert others, day and night, not only from front and rear, but also from the side.
Beyond 3.05m of overhang, or if your load is over 2.9 metres in width, then you need police permission to proceed and possibly a police escort, for which you will have to pay. Other regulations may also apply; for instance in central London, police permission is required if the rear projection exceeds 2.6 metres, and for loads exceeding 10.98 metres in length (or 1
¾ times the length of the carrying vehicle), travelling between 10 am and 7 pm on weekdays.
It is prudent to carry photocopies of these regulations with you as many policemen may not be fully up on the special rules for rowing boats and may only be aware of the standard rules (only 1m of overhang). The ARA drivers handbook is ideal for this purpose and can be downloaded from the ARA’s website. The ARA also has an interactive CD which answers many
trailer queries.

P Tinsley ARA Boatman
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I used to carry a Jack Chippendale single sliding seat Sprite rowing skiff on a Peugeot 309 xsi the boat was just over 15 foot. As already suggested tie it down well particularly the front to stop it lifting and keep you speed below 50 mph. You can get inflatable canoes and also bic do a folding rigid hull with an inflatable collar called Yakka but you may want more than a single seater.
http://www.bicsportkayaks.com/





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Our nieghbour is into canoing and carries them on top of his car (VW Passat) I'll check with him to see if he knows the law.

But could you not put the canoe on a trailer? then you could use the soft top car as well. I've seen many a canoe on a trailer it way to the broads.



Kind regards, John.

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Only here could you get such varied advice as to swap cars with a forum member, snap it in two and tape back when required, get an inflatable, buy a bigger car, get a trailer, and then on top of all that some official guidelines.

You have to love this forum, my thanks to all.

To be clear Christina, was it the A class or the soft top you were wanting to swap ? Wink  

Harry, some clever racks, cheers.

Bounty, I'd rather buy a bigger boat ! Smile

Bern, with up to 4ft of overghang, the ducktape may still be needed.  

Fendoff, very helpful, thanks.

Captain Joshie, I had hoped roof racks would avoid me having to purchase a trailer, not sure I fancy towing.

Cheers all  Cheers

Michael.

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Hi Michael

I'm not fussy!!!  Smile


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