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geoffliverpool
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having spent a week on the broads for the first time i cannot get my head around the lack of public mooring spaces,if you have hired a boat for £1000, plus do you really want to be mooring up at 4.pm on a beautiful summers evening i dont think so
tried to go to malthouse fete last sunday arrived at moorings 12-30 pm no dinghy  NO FETE
did have one success managed to book a mooring at new inn horning /meal in pub . first time i had to moor
stern on as i approached assistant came out and rescued me ,game of pool outside good meal etc just give them a ring

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The Northern Broads free moorings are always difficult to grab at this time of year, Geoff and you're right, there should be a few more dotted around. If you make your way to the Southern Broads next time you're on a boat, you'll find things a little less fraught. It's generally quieter down there and moorings are not so difficult to get. The only small downside is that you need to be a little more aware of tidal rise and fall as well as nasty tides near Reedham and St Olaves when mooring up. These can catch out the most experienced skipper...trust me!

Another idea, take a Broads break in early or late season...I know it's difficult with kids holidays etc but it's worth it if you can. Ok, you don't get the blistering hot days but you do get a great deal of tranquility and you can more or less get a mooring whenever you need one. Just a thought.

Cheers



John

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Aug-16-2005 @ 10:19 PM                           Permalink
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thanks John we did manage to go on the southern broads as well and yes mooring was a lot more easy got as far as whittington country park area had agreat nights stay at loddun staithe  ,the river chat was a bit narrow though will try to get to beccles etc next time

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Hi Geoff,

So where did you find moorings for the rest of the week? We are down there soon.

Jeff

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hi Jeff, day 1 new inn horning food good
day 2 sutton staithe hotel food not so good waited 1hr for meal in back room
day 3 acle bridge eat on boat
day 4 Bramerton woods end pub food good bit pricey
day 5 loddun eat on boat
day 6 stayed at potter heigham boatyard  great fish /chips over bridge  

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sorry Jeff also stayed at wroxham though struggled again to find public mooring took wrong turn no signs ended up in moores boatyard £8-00 per night ,i found the lack of signs /size a problem that needs sorting also

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Why is there a problem with moorings?

The number of hire craft has fallen markedly. Broads Authority information (http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/broads/downloads/comms/authority/Agenda%20and%20Reports/2005/22-04-05/Appendix%20to%20Report%20of%20the%20Tolls%20Working%20Group%20on%20its%20Review%20of%20the%20Tolls%20System%20for%20the%20Broads-referred%20from%20BMc240305.doc ) shows that between 1977 and 2004, total boat population has stayed around 12,000 - 13,000, hire boats have fallen from 4,000 to less than 2,000. Looking at motor cruisers only, totals have risen from around 4,250 to 5,250 while motor cruisers for hire have fallen from 2,000 to under 1,000. So, all else being equal, and assuming hire boats are out and about on the Broads more than private ones, there should be less pressure on moorings than there was in the 70's.

Is that what people observe?

What else has been going on? Landowners, pressured by other reductions in income from farming, running pubs etc., have become aware that they can charge for mooring, thus deterring some from stopping. Quiet little spots on the bank have become unavailable because trees have not been trimmed or banks have not been maintained and craft cannot get in there any more. Some public staithes have "disappeared" and been reincarnated as private moorings. Increasing risk of litigation has prompted some landowners to rope off their banks rather than repair dilapidated quay heading (e.g. downstream of Ludham Bridge). The Flood Alleviation Project has altered the bank profile to make mooring impossible and, on other sections has used "deep pan" sheet piles which make it difficult to rig fenders to keep the boat from rubbing against the steelwork; they have also scheduled their works this year to put the majority of the moorings at How Hill out of action. I am not aware of any 24hr moorings that have been closed, but someone may correct me on that. I believe that there are one or two new 24hr moorings available (not necessarily on the Northern Rivers). Boatyards have been closing. Previously they provided "grace and favour" moorings for hirers booking with the same agency.

Water levels appear to have risen in general, making it more difficult for craft to get under Beccles, Potter and Wroxham Bridges, thereby concentrating people in a smaller area. Boat design appears to have veered towards craft with larger air draft, compounding the problem.

Is there a trend away from self-catering towards wanting moorings near a pub/take-away/restaurant which will provide food on demand? If so it coincides with a trend towards more elaborately equipped hire craft. How many boats had a microwave in 1977?

We learn (see http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/broads/downloads/comms/navigation/2005/16-06-05/Moorings%20Audit.doc ) that as a result of objections to the designs adopted by the Flood Alleviation Project, the Broads Authority is carrying out a survey which will lead to a policy on moorings being formulated which will be used to evaluate future planning applications. That policy will make interesting reading and will be the litmus test on whether the Authority really wants recreational boating to thrive in Broadland.

Phil

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I do find that on the Northern Rivers there are more opportunities to moor from the river bank. On the Southern Rivers (certainly between Norwich and Reedham) there's hardly anywhere you can moor on the bank. It's either full of reeds (no bad thing) or it's the new organic bank projects (no mooring). Also, once you get past Brundall, there's little in the way of public mooring (unless you go down to Loddon).

Out of interest, having recently bought a boat that can't, what are you supposed to do at Stern-on moorings if you have a rear cabin you can't get out of (with kids who can't walk along the sides)?

Stu

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With regard to the Yare, can I take issue a little bit with you Stu,

We are not too badly served, on top of the 6 pub moorings there are others at Whittlingham, Thorpe Green, Commissioners Cut, Brammerton Green, Postwick Wharf, Brundall Gardens (Church Fen), Surlingham Broad on a mud weight, Rockland Staithe, Rockland short dyke, Langley dyke, Cantley, the informal mooring alongside Hardley Flood, Chedgrave Common, Pye’s Mill & Loddon Town staithe plus Reedham Quay.

The major problem is that with the closure of the hire yards, which tended to be in centres of population you have lost village centre moorings at Wroxham Horning, Womack, St Olaves, Sommerleyton & Oulton Broad.

Getting back to the original point there are in fact many more official moorings than there used to be 30 years ago.  However then it was far more usual to moor to a tree or with rhond anchors in the bank, having stocked up with food, beer and baccy


"No I'm not clueless it just that my wife is below decks at the moment!"  Bill...

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Agreeing with Watermonkey again.........twice in one morning !

It is annoying for those of us who can't moor stern on, large outboard protruding !

On topic, I have often wondered why there is an issue for moorings given the fleet reductions and can only put it down to longer boats taking up more space at moorings and a change in expectation for mooring each night. When I was a kid we were lucky if we ate out twice in a week long holiday, the boat filling with steam and rich aromas was all part of the fun and on the mud anchor where possible.

Best,

Michael.

Champagne tastes, Beer money.

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