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Denise
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That is really clever stuff Craig.

Like Bill says, it would be useful to know which bits are accessible by rowing boat - avoiding those which are private. We'd certainly make good use of that (if we ever manage to get under Potter bridge again! Wink )

Something else...... have you thought about copyrights? This could well be a valuable resource & you don't want anyone else benefiting from your hard work!

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Jul-19-2005 @ 10:53 AM                           Permalink
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Thanks Denise.  As it happens, Paul has offered some very helpful advice on how to be careful of breaching other people's copyright.  Unfortunately, I never even considered the other way around.  Don't you automatically own the copyright to your own work?  I'd be happy for people to make the most out of my work, but it would make me a bit sad if anyone took credit for my work or used it for their own profit.

Paul, as before, thanks again for all the advice you have offered.  However, I'm now becoming concerned about my work conflicting with your own.  You have done a magnificent job with your map and website and the last thing I want to do is copy your work.  This is definitely something that I think we aught to discuss.

Cheers,
Craig(2)  

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Is a possible answer to use Paul’s map as an index and mark on it squares which represent a series of detailed maps based on your researches and have ‘click ons’ which produce a link on a particular page on your site rather than one big map, which then pops up. Does this help with band width? You could then also orient the map to show what you want to show without vast areas of meadow. It would also mean that you had finished bits whilst still working on others.

The copyright marking is important even the Broads Authority might be interested in them because they did not seem to have anything really detailed for their moorings survey. They are pretty tight about money but might be prepared to cover your costs. But I would not let them just use them with nothing more than just a credit. Formal moorings informal mooring and boatyards could all be denoted by a icon of some sort (maybe with the approximate length alongside it. Maybe Navigable, rowable and Non navigable could be shown in different shades of the same colour the deepest for the Navigable bit would seem to make sense. Electric charging points and pubs might be worthy additions plus slipways if someone was bringing a boat by road.

Just a thought


"I know we are up the bank, but I didn't think the ducklings were going to get out of the way"  Bill...

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First of all, please do not be worried about conflicting with my site, the more choice available, the merrier.

The fantastic thing about the web is the freedom of  expression of one's interests, with anyone able to publish anything, without needing anyone's approval. (within  reasonable overriding legal and moral limits.)

As regards protecting your own work (good point Denise), my understanding of copyright is that you don't have to register it, (unlike patents), and as long as you can prove it to be the original published source and it contains sufficient 'intellectual endeavour', any subsequent plagiarism can be opposed.
(I've gleaned this from web searches, but if I've got it completely wrong, please let me know !)

I think the main effort is going to be ensuring the accuracy, (on an ongoing basis), of the information. e.g, someone needs to canoe or row along the individual channels to know if they are navigable (and by what), or are just drains. ('Secret Water' on a giant scale !)    Smile

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Paul, I must say that you have a very honourable view on this and I genuinely appreciate your kind words. Smile

Thanks for the ideas, Bill.  With regards to your point on saving bandwidth, my initial thought was was that it wouldn't work, but then then I actually grasped what you meant and realised that it could save bandwidth when talking about a map that's going to be so big.  I'll have to see how the whole thing pans out and make a decision nearer the time.

The idea of marking out areas of water based on whether they are Navigable, Rowable and Non Navigable is a cracker, as are the other suggestions, Bill.  Some of these are things that I've not seen anywhere before I'd love to find a way of gathering the data when the map is finished.

The issue of keeping things up to date, as you have both mentioned, is going to be a bit of a problem.  I've been able to use fairly recent images to establish what water exists, but I have no way of really telling if they are chained off, reeded over, or even privately owned.  Once I'm done with the basic map, maybe I'll find somebody in an adventurous mood Playful Wink

I've already spent two months to complete a mere half of the northern broads though.  I guess it'll be the same again to finish the rest of the upper broads, and then I'll be looking at your teretory down south. Smile   It really makes me appreciate the immense mass of water that makes up the broads.

Oh heck, it's gone midnight yet again!  I keep telling myself that I'll stop these late nights, but it never works.  Thanks to everyone for their input and I'll keep the forum posted on my progress.

Craig.

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Jul-20-2005 @ 6:57 AM                           Permalink
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OHHH Scared  I had assumed that you had spent the last two months paddling around from dusk to drawn mapping and that was why you were on your computer so late Playful

If you put bits of the map up with a temporary grid over them I suspect that members here could relate features to a map reference for you.

If you want to be bit of the southern broads for a change I'd try the area round the Ted Ellis trust and rockland broad.

The point about copyright as I understand it is that if you put it in the public domain without marking it, the assumption is that it maybe freely used without further reference to the source

"If you are going to be like that, Darling, I won't let you be the Captain any more!"  Bill...

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I really think that this is a super project, and a long time coming. I though that I had read/heard/dreamt? that the BA or some other Broads group had future plans to do a GIS map of the Broads, and this is a good start to it.

With copyright, at least tradditional media like books, the cheapest way to establish copyright is to send a copy of your work to yourself, sealed, and sent as registered mail. Then leave it sealed.

In the digital age you've actually already proven your copyright by posting a sample in the public domain on this forum, and now have many witnesses who can attest to your original work.

On the downside a copyright is only worth as much as you can afford to defend your rights in court - a very sad state of affairs in the US, and probably in the UK too.

If you need any help coding, doing database stuff, or even want to host the map on this site I would be more than happy to assist, as would a number of the other techie members here.

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Jul-21-2005 @ 1:51 AM                           Permalink
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Before I start, I would like to say that it is entirely Bill's fault that it is so late when I start typing this!  Evil Grin   Let me explain Smile

I've just spent an hour or so studying the area surrounding Rockland broad and my first impressions were 'Oh boy!'.  It's a total maze, particularly just up river towards an area referred to (I think) as Surlingham broad?  This particular area looks like an adventurers paradise! I can't wait to have a go at it.

Thanks very much for your comments again Richard. I like the idea of posting a registered copy of your work to yourself and I'm thinking about burning a copy on CD and doing just that. You never know, it may come in handy.

Your offer of helping with the project is very kind indeed. Once I'm a bit further on with the map, I think I'll need some advice on how to proceed.  I do have a hosting account with quite a lot of space, but because I got that before even thinking about making this map, I'm not yet sure whether it will support the necessary functionality to implement things.

Anyway, having just noticed that it's quickly heading towards 2am, the 8am start tomorrow is going to be a killer.  

Night.


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Spotted this on Ebay today, so I guess Craig's project got off the ground.

Keith

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Spotted what Keith Question

'As you are all moored side on may I lay alongside you? Certainly my dear which side of the bed do you prefer?' Bill...

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