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I moored at Gays staiths over the weekend and was told the quay headings are due to be replaced shortly.

A couple of ladders will be fitted together with the ground being raised slightly.

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Not more ladders!!! Bad enough at How Hill... Still at Gays Staithe, they are unlikely to be clobbered in quite the same way, but we shall have to wait and see!

It will be nice if they can sort out the poor ground drainage, it often gets very soggy underfoot.

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Thanks to the H&S for the ladders  Evil Grin

If they build up the ground as I was told then it should make it drier under foot.

The heading certainly does need doing.

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I hate the bloomin' ladders... they are hardly aesthetically pleasing, and I am far from convinced that they really serve the interests of H&S. Another pretty, discreet staithe blighted by angle iron...


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Have never had to use a ladder yet, seen them at Yarmouth, Berney Arms, Loddon and most recently at How Hill to name a few. I agree they look unsightly and perhaps I have been lucky enough to have never needed to use one so why may I ask are they springing up in so many places considering that most boating type people are fairly mobile and don't need a ladder anyway (appologies if you are not and no offense meant) and those who are not, probably wouldn't manage a ladder anyway? (I work as a Paramedic and take into account people's mobility quite a lot!) It's not as if the tide rises over 6 feet at Loddon or Gay's Staithe (most of the time) as it does at Yarmouth and I have often found that some people moor right next to the only ladders at one location that other river users could not use them anyway!
Moored at Gay's Staithe once, nice and peaceful but prefer to carry on to Neatishead - nice pub and excellent restaurant!

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Are not the ladders to facilitate the recovery of those poor souls who have fallen in?  

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In response to the ladder debate, I have had first hand ( and second hand ) experience at Gays Staithe a couple of years ago.

I went in to help release a fouled rope.
Two very strong blokes lifted me out after the rope was cleared and I must say they had a hell of a job lifting.
I know I am no light weight but they were strong guys.

If I had fallen in I proberly would have had to go towards a bank side and grab something to drag myself out.


A couple of weeks later a girl went in for a swim - stupid sod - and I watched for a good 15 - 20 mins while her friends tried to pull her out.

She only got out after I took my boarding ladder and hooked it onto the heading.

I can see how ladders could hinder boats of all types but would think the safety aspect would outweigh the hinderance.


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I must say that we saw a young lady trying to get back onto a boat/ashore after going for a "swim", the fact that she was oiled up with suncream made it impossible for anyone to get a grip on her, despite the attempts of 5 others on the boat and numerous helpers giving "advice" after about 15 mins she was still in the water, being neither able to get up onto to the boat or the quayside.  Eventually a boat with a boarding platform came along and she got out onto that as it had a little ladder at the back.
By this time the initial laughter was long gone, she was tearful and exhausted.

So although not all that pleasing to the eye, I think ladders are a good thing.

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Totally unrelated to the Broads, but I had experience last week of trying to get back into a boat from the water. We were holidaying in Provence and arranged to take canoes down the Ardeche Gorge. It is a 24 km stretch of river between high cliffs with no way out, once you start until you reach the end. You can hire canoes of various sorts and are provided with wetsuits, buoyancy aids and dry barrels to carry your dry clothes, picnic, camera, etc. There are a number of rapids of varying severity and the cliffs on either side must reach up several hundred feet (research needed, so I will not guess a figure). On the insides of bends you get rocky beaches, so you can haul ashore for breaks or to sort out problems.

Six of us (aged from 55 to 75) set out in three double canoes and one pair experienced two capsizes, solved by a retreat to the bank. I experienced a capsize in an area where the current was too strong to get to the bank. Once we seemed to be making progress the bend turned and it became the opposite bank that we needed to get to. Even with a low draft craft like a canoe, it was extremely difficult to get on top and then to right it. We were helped to sort out the problem by some timely advice and assistance from some PGL Holidays staff who were doing a training exercise in the gorge. Without their help, we would soon have got tired and faced more serious problems.

Anything that helps you get out of the water when you have a problem has to be a good thing. The population is aging and it is in all our interests to encourage activity. That will only happen if people feel that, presented with a crisis, a solution will be at hand.

Agreed, we need to think about ladder design.

Phil

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I don't follow the logic I'm afraid. If I have to go overboard, I make sure I think first about how I will get back onto the boat, don't I? Sorry Paul, no offence intended to you. Did the lady go swimming without considering such an obvious thing as getting out of the water again??

Supposing she goes swimming somewhere else where there are no ladders? Are we to see them appearing everywhere just for the benefit of the silly? In emergencies, people can usually come up with a solution. Sorry, but it seems to me that the presence of unsightly ladders with their potential for damage, is not outweighed by safety factors. I will award a small prize to the sender of the first photo of either a damaged ladder at Gays Staithe, or of damage caused by one!

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