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Speed and wash are I know emotive subjects but as a fast boat owner I thought I would post this and see the response.

Much is made of fast boats on the broads (not speeding)and their overall suitability, Certainly from my expierience I have seen very little evidence to suggest that owners of fast boats race around the broads in fact from what I see it is the opposit but what about that dark place on the broads, where the speed limits do not apply?

There have been many threads on here where the frustration of the Ant traffic jam has been mentioned where someone has being enjoying the scenery at 3mph but the person behind would like to do 4mph, the one at the front doing nothing wrong but failing to be considerate to the person behind who also wants to do nothing wrong.

Take that onto Breydon, the boat in front flat out at 9 mph but the boat behind capable of 30 or 40mph.
In order to pass the boat behind must do 10 or 11mph a speed where wash will be much, much greater than at 9mph, the boat behind crawls past creating quite a bit of wash and rocking motion on the slower boat before blasting away once clear.

If the skipper of the slower boat had slowed to 7mph to allow the faster boat by, then he could have passed at 9mph causing a fraction of the wash and so not rocking the slower boat.

I know there have been incidences of thoughtless skippers blasting around Breydon with no thought for others and action should be taken against them but most admit that these are rare, maybe a quick look behind and a few seconds on the journey could make Breydon a nicer place to cross.

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Hi Ian,
i may get shot down for this but i would like a 10mph limit on Breydon.

if folk have fast boats just down the river is the Sea, fast as you like on there.

my thoughts are better to be a small fish in a big pond,
rather than,
a big fish in a small pond.

yes i know i wanted to try a fast boat on Breydon but i did add before a speed limit is bought in.

Why on earth any one buys a boat capable of 40 knts for use on the Broads is beyond me ,but of course its their pennies and they can spend them how they want to.

Broads and 4mph sounds right to me.
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Oh please give me strength   Mad

I have a better idea why not ban all slow boats from Breydon.
Lets set a minimum speed of 30 knots.
Oh no to fast for some.

Get real.

The sooner the Broads Authority get jurisdiction over
Breydon and put a 6 mph limit the better.

I am fed up with people abusing Breydon when other boats are
trying to get across in safety all because the fast boys are
to scared to put there nose out and nail it out at sea.

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OMG! I find myself in total agreement with both Roy and Fendoff on the same day  Gasp
Breydon is a reserve and an SSSI, and should be respected as such. If anyone wants to "boat" at 20 - 40 knots, they IMHO should spend some of the money which allows them to buy a boat capable of such progress on suitable training that allows them to  safelygo to sea.
Nothing wrong with speed where appropriate. peed is not appropriate on the Norfolk Broads.

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A well considered and reasoned post there Fendoff.
I’m afraid you’re on a hiding to nothing here Ian, whilst we still have a few inconsiderate and selfish fast boat skippers giving ammunition to the thankfully equally few  inconsiderate and selfish  “we want it all our own way” merchants it will ever be thus. Meanwhile all we vast majority of reasonable prudent fast boat skippers and live and let live slower boat skippers will just have to put up with the (sometimes but not often justifiable) whinging from the dog in a manger lot. We can, at least console ourselves in the knowledge that they have no control.


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This was not supposed to re ignite the speed limit on Breydon debate and all fast boats to sea thing.
Fact is Breydon is an Estuary and there is at present no speed limit, The sea is another hour from Breydon through a busy commercial harbour where huge risks are posed to small leisure craft and once negitiated it would be nice to know that the engines were going to work when the levers were pushed so Breydon is the ideal place to try them in relative safety.
Will be interesting to see how this thread develops but so far all it has shown is that those with slower boats are totally inconsiderate of those with bigger engines.

Ian

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The sooner the Broads Authority get jurisdiction over  Breydon and put a 6 mph limit the better.
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I partly agree with this, however, I think there should be a "window" 2 hours each side of high tide where those that want to "open up" can do so. This would also include water skiers and wakeboarders, moving them onto there from the rivers. This would then make the Southern rivers safer for all.

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Incondsiderate,
hmm will look that up not sure what it means,may find it in the Troll hunters handbook.
Glad the fishing season is closed so the bait may remain untaken.
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Roy....All I can say is"Spot on".
My own boat,although getting on a bit in years is no slouch.The only times I have really opened up is way out in the Bristol Channel.
Like on the road there is no real need for speed.If by going fast either by boat or car I trim 10 minutes of my journey time what do I do with that 10 mins'? Have a cup of tea?
Boating is about relaxation.
I would be all for a 10 mph speed limit on Breydon.
While I understand that Breydon might not be the most attactive stretch of water and some may wish to cross quickly and get it over with ,we all have a right to cross it without being thrown all over the place.Les

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Im sure many noticed on Breydon that My boat produces less wash at 30 mph than at 10mph.
At 10mph is pushing through the water trying to get on the plane, this then produces well over 12 inches of wash.
Interesting very interesting

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