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Dr-Diesel
Feb-29-2008 @ 7:48 PM                           Permalink
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Just a couple of points:

Andrew, We have all been using bio diesel for some time from the pumps, although the mix varies from 0.1% to 5%. I can't see it being any cheaper quite the opposite in fact.I recently bought some 20% and 50% blend and it cost a fortune although this may have been due to the small quantities ordered.

In the long run it will work out more expensive due to the lower calorific value of the bio blends. Testing I have carried out on blends up to 50% have seen a marked increase in fuel consumption especially once you are using the 20% and above mixes.

Jenny Morgan
Your source regarding the frozen diesel in the buses is way of the mark. I can enlighten you but not on a public forum.

Marshman

Most of the damage done cropwise is in the pursuit of bio-ethanol not the bio blends per se.

Griff,
It shouldn't invalidate your warranty unless you start upping the blend above 5% but check the small print.

Don,

I'm not sure where you are getting the 8% pollution figure from. When measuring diesel emmisions we read NOx, PM, HC, CO2 as well as speciation of NOx your 8% does not stack up especially from the testing I have done.

Gav,
Bio-diesel has a lower lubricity compared to conventional diesel and is not best suited to older fuel systems. It also has a higher viscosity than standard fuel (there are no swelling agents believe me that is the last thing you need from diesel) hence the higher propensity to cause leaks.

But as I said earlier we are all currently buying blended diesel anyway, it just gets really interesting at 20%+ blends


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Hydrogen fuel calls! there was a link at the top of the page for a kit that you can fit yourself that converts H2O water to HHO Hydrogen Gas and introduces it to your engine that was very interesting website but is now disabled

Looks like a potential Problem solver??  Smile  lots of water available in Norfolk!  Maybe Global warming and melting Ice Caps is natures way of providing a future V8 engine fuel (Tin Hat Firmly fixed, I am only joking)

Kindest regards, Victor Meldrew Mk2 and I don't care who know's it!!

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Dave,

That gadget wasn't a fuel cell in the truest sense. The idea is that H2 is produced in an electrolyser which is then fed into the engines inlet manifold then into the combustion chamber. This produces a better ignition when the diesel is ignited therefore making a much more efficient engine. It's supposed benefits are more power and a cleaner emissions envelope. My experience with it suggests these claims are questionable, one of those things where the theory all stacks up but the practise does not reflect this.
Long term questions on the life expectancy of the engine.

The electrolyser would not be big enough to produce enough H2 to run the engine without diesel. In fact I don't think there is one big enough.


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all this ""bio" technology is way over my head

i think i will just pay my money, or even convert to

  wind Wink  Wink

            alan

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not where i should be

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or even convert to WIND
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Come on Alan, you know it makes sense.

When would you like your first bit of instruction?

boat-sail boat-sail boat-sail

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Gary can I ask you some thing please as I've got my R.Y.A National Elementary DayBoat Certificate since 1977 and Sailed on Royall's 12 ft Coypu Gunter-rigged in the past what is it really like Sailing in a large Boat you've have got I believe? as I know I have a Brass neck cheek to ask you this but could I ever go Sailing with you for a day?
Yours truly,
Andrew.

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hi andrew ,
you may be in luck if your coming to this years site meet up ?  Gary is coming to ,a few sailies are coming and are always wanting to take members for a sail around the broad , this is quite a popular attraction at the event ,
cheers

steve and vicky

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"this is quite a popular attraction"

WHY ??


Tinhat  Tinhat  LOL

Andy

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Andrew,

Cor, them there Coypu's. B*ggers to sail, but thats mainly to do with the shape and weight of them.

I am sure that sometime during the season we could get out for the day. I dont have my own "larger" boat, having said that a Wayfarer is bigger than a Coypu.

So, if you would like a day in a Wayfarer, give me a shout nearer the time that you are up this way.



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Andrew if you mean a river cruiser if not 'racing' everything, good and bad, happens in slow motion. Very different.  Smile

Bill...(The Ancient Mardler)

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