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roya
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Hello All

Roya here.  I note with interest there have been one or two derogatory remarks made about the Boat Safety Scheme.  

Well, in my opinion, I think it is long overdue.  Because in our long (30 years) experience of the Broads, and, as you all know, we live local, there seems to be more and more boats moored up for years on end slowly rotting and decaying away.  In fact, a bl**dy eyesore.

Now the people who own these floating hulks have obviously got no interest in the Broads and indeed are using up valuable moorings that holiday makers (who pay good money) could use.  So I, personally, think it is a good idea; no safety scheme, no licence, therefore remove your wreck and leave the vacant spaces for people on holiday (I know you're all going to hate me for this) but without holidaymakers and their lovely pennies there will be no more Broads.

I await with anticipation your replies, because, in my opinion, certain parts of the Broads are looking like lay bys full of dumped cars making the whole area appear down trodden, unloved, and general sh*t.




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Sep-23-2004 @ 9:23 AM                           Permalink
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Since the Broads Authority cracked down on old wrecks being left to rot I have noticed a distinct reduction in those eyesores (about which I entirely agree with Roy).

However, the Boat Safety Schee is, as the name suggests, really more about ensuring that all boats are safe to be on the water and occupied either occasionally or continuously.

Such a scheme has been in force on the canal system for several years now (with much argument about details of the requirements and differing interpretations by different inspectors) and is leading to an improvement in general safety (fewer fires, etc.) and appearance (you may as well clean up the boat while making any necessary alterations).

The rules will apply not only to hire craft but also to the many private craft (that may see a few boats on the market suddenly!). They will cover matters such as preventing diesel spills and gas leaks, which must be very welcome.

As the scheme is intended to be similar to that on the canals I look forward to being happier to moor close to certain boats than I do at present.

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Dear Shakespeare

I think you are spot on.  This is the one reason why we hire craft instead of buying one.  We all, of course, hate the 'nanny state' but if you've got a hundred thousand pounds worth of cruiser moored up and some idiot in a - for want of a better word - un-MOT'd banger, self-maintained, potentially dangerous, may be drink or drug fuelled causes damage you or I would have no recourse.  

So, at least, hiring allows us to enjoy our holidays for the time being and as I have noted on this and other sites complaints about all young male or yound female parties hiring craft I am all in favour of the boat yards saying 'no' because 5 to 10 irresponsible young (people) can cause misery to many decent holiday makers.  So perhaps I can understand the boat yards' problem when a group of young people can afford the £1,000 asking price in August and take the money, which maybe spoils it for the rest of us.

I really do not know what the answer is.  Perhaps some sensible answers may help.

Cheers

Roya  

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Sep-23-2004 @ 1:36 PM                           Permalink
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Well as a boat owner I would strongly disagree about the comments linking an un MOT'd banger to a private boat! Most private owners pour a good deal of time and money into their hobby which is usually as much about pride of vessel as it is about appreciation for the broads... There is nothing wrong with carrying out your own maintenance if you do the job properly...!

But I would also agree there are many boats that have just been left abandoned with river licence long ago expired - these should be removed...

The biggest annual cost (apart from possible maintenance!) to the private boat owner is mooring fees... Unless you are fortunate enough to be able to afford £20k - £30k to purchase a mooring plot. So unless the boat is 'dumped' the owner will probably be paying upwards of £600 (mine is £1200) per year just to moor - this is obviously not depriving a hire boat of a mooring because it is a private mooring - but if there were a private boat moored on a public mooring for more than 24 hours (abandoned) I would say that they should definately be reported to the Broads Authority...

A final comment about the Boat Safety Scheme.. Certainly based around safety - but also considers pollution - which is fair enough... However there does appear to be a number of anomalies built into the Scheme...

For instance: The BSS does not recognise the difference between Petrol and Diesel as a fuel... Citing a case where someone was filling an outboard with petrol at the same time as the fried breakfast was on the go!!! Of course in reality Diesel is nowhere near as volatile as petrol and you would have a job actually trying to light the fuel with a match!
But of course the scheme doesn't recognise the difference between fuels and the same standards and regulations apply to Diesel boats... There are a number of such inconsistances...

But I guess on the whole it will turn out to be a good thing but the details could have been better thought out.

My 2p worth !

Melb

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Sep-24-2004 @ 4:20 AM                           Permalink
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FYI

The public have the chance to comment before September 30th. Printed copies of the scheme are available from the BSS office, tel: 01923 201278, or are downloadable from the BSS website at www.boatsafetyscheme.com
In the Broads it will be implemented in three phases. From April 1st 2005
the scheme affects  private motor craft over 21 sq.m and hire craft of 30sq.m and above. The second year, from April 1st 2006 applies to private motor craft 11 to 21 sq.m and all remaining hire craft; while the third year, from April 1st 2007 affects all remaining motor craft and all sailing craft.

The 3000 boats in the first tranche who present their Boat Safety Scheme certificate to the Broads Authority by July 2005 will have the life of their certificate extended from four to five years. This one off extension will be valid only in the Broads and all future certificates will be valid for the usual four
years.

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Dear Melb and Tadlow thank you for your comments, it is great that at last some genuine views are being expressed, at the present time we are thinking of buying a mooring . advertisted in the EDP but for over 50yds either side it looked like a scrap yard .

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Buying is the way to go if you can afford it - esp as availability is the big problem here... I had thought about taking out another mortgage - but might need that to get our boat throught thet BSS!!!

Melb

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We keep our boat on the Broads at Stalham, on a private mooring. We live in North Yorkshire 5 minutes of Ripon Canal. Let me tell you some of the boats on the canal and in private moorings are not in the best of condition to put it nicely, and supposedly with BSC.
Im all for Safety (part of my job) but dont you think this is just another way of extracting yet more money out of an already expensive hobby. After all Safety is more or less just common sense.
Stewart

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Hi all,

Here's a little tip for you, Dont download the BSS from the website, Fill in the online form for a free copy by post, its a small sized book bound in plastic for those rainy days and if your lucky you get a free sticker!

I downloaded and printed mine and then was told of the above that I now use.

My boat is on the Thames so I have to have a BSS, I don't mind as it helps keep things safe.

One thing I was told about fitting gas appliances on board was you have to use a qualified marine gas fitter or... you can do it yourself.. but you cant use a marine engineer thats not qualified!!!!!

:)

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