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Marshman
Nov-18-2007 @ 10:13 AM                           Permalink
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Anyone tell me how the Bure Classic compares with say a Hustler in sailing performance?
Look pretty similar but Bure Classic is probably a little heavier and of course has a little stinkie!!!!

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Good question.
Unfortunately I can't help with the answer as I've never sailed either - but I would be very interested if anyone does have an answer.


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Speleologist will have a good idea regarding the various Hunters (where are you Robin?)...but I do know they're not allowed to race (in case of damage, and what a good idea to preserve these fine ladies)so they don't have formal handicaps, although they are perfectly formed for the rivers they were built for.....as are Colin Buttifant's Bure Classics, although built for more comfort, of course..... so it might be tricky to get a definitive answer.

Most Bure Classics have handicap of -18, I believe (one is gunter-rigged instead of gaff, and I imagine is differently rated), and most certinly are heavier, both in hull build and equipment fitted than the Hunters.

It is said that the nut on the end of the tiller is more critical than the boat he is sitting in, but all I can say is that given someone useful driving, they are equally difficult to catch! Smile  

As with all these hypothetical discussions, it depends on the circs.... for tacking up the Ant in light winds I'd expect the Hunters to have the edge, but in a blow maybe the heavier Bure Classics might stand longer without a reef and so get ahead...

Each stands head and shoulders above so many other 'also rans' that it's rather like trying to say which of two diamonds is more sparkly Smile

it's a bit blowy, best put a reef in the burgee...

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I'm here. Back from a hectic week's work and around.

Steve is pretty good in his summary. A Hustler is very good in light airs. I'd be hard put to make a full comparison, as I know the Womack classic better than the Bure Classic, however, here's a couple of observations:

The Hustler is probably the best performing of the Hunter boats. The Wood class have the same hull, but with the rig moved forward and a smaller jib, leaving them under canvassed by comparison. Luna, Lustre and Lullaby are bigger, but also heavier, and don't show as much increased performance as the size and sail area might suggest. Lucent is another matter, according to the article in the latest Friends magazine, she's fast!

The swallowtail boats are heavier, but being beamier will carry more sail in a blow. Once the wind gets up they leave the Hunter boats standing.

The other factor, that certainly affects the Womack Classics, and I guess the Bure Classics as well, is that Colin offers them with a racing or cruising rig. On the Womacks, the cruising rig is 85% of the racing one. I've only sailed with the smaller rig, (which is also of course what the hire ones have), but I suspect with the larger rig they would outperform Hunter boats in most conditions.

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Struggling to post a reply of thanks but will persevere!!!
Much as I thought really but as I get older I do prefer my comforts a little more. I find cooking on my knees in the cockpit more difficult - it is better than camping but only just!!!
The Hunter purists will cry shame but the novelty of quanting can wane - I quanted against the tide from Candle Dyke to Dungeon Corner and by then I was longing for a stinkie to turn on!!
Thanks guys - the Forum always has the answers Smile

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Yes !!  Third time lucky - good 'ol Hammy

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quote:"......
I find cooking on my knees in the cockpit more difficult
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The Womack Classic has a very comfortable and easy to use galley. I've not cooked aboard a Bure Classic, but it should be nearly as good.

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