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Jun-19-2006 @ 5:57 PM                           Permalink
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On a serious note,
I have been out with Andy on the Launches,and his expertise in boat handling is second to none, i am sure there is not a situation on the Broads,he could not meet.
Im not saying 60 metre ocean going Craft ,But just normal Broads boating Craft.
I think we tend to get carried away ,perhaps we like to think cos we use the local rivers ,it makes us experts in world class boating.
Just INMHO a thought.
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Jun-19-2006 @ 9:30 PM                           Permalink
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Let me just say this ,with regard to Poppys attitude of "Id let em get on with it"
I would asses what I was capable of doing, and if I thought it beyond me, I would bring in an expert, and believe it or not, but there is always someone in the BA capable of helming ANYTHING thats ever been on the broads, or may arrive in the future.(Cantley oil tankers)

So dont worry, if your in trouble in your little 30 footer, just call and we`ll be happy to help.

Andy

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Let's bring this back on track - the thread started with a reference to the Broads Bill - a poorly drafted piece of proposed legislation, which, were it to pass into law, would endow officers of the Broads Authority more powers than a Police Officer in certain aspects. In particular rights of entry on to private vessels and of entry to private property appear far greater than required by the situations require, either now or in the future.
My point is that if this draconian Bill is passed, considerable training will be required, lest the Authority finds itself liable in law for negligent loss and damage.
I do not doubt that there is a considerable body of skills within the body corporate, but I have seen some glaring examples of behaviour which might just be excusable from a novice on holiday, but from a uniformed ranger in a boat with a blue light on the top - never!

I would be grateful Andy if you could please not take my animosity to the Broads Authority as a personal attack on you, or anyone else at the coal face - that is as far as it possibly could be from my intentions.
My views have developed over a considerable number of years spent observing the politics of Broadland as they have developed within the portals of 18 Colegate.
That goes for any one else who takes a different view to me on these VERY important matters - we may disagree, but it's NOT personal!

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Andy, I echo the spirit of Poppy's last post. I don't doubt that amongst the BA staff there is someone who could handle so and so boat in so and so condition at so and so time. But they might not be on hand when required.

I met one fellow last year who was ex merchant marine, well, something about the suitability of ex Royal and Merchant marine sailors, snooker tables and lawn-mowers on small boats came to mind. Nice bloke though!

But that is all besides the point, it is not the staff at the sharp end that worries us mere small boat users. By and large most of us have a very high regard for most of the troops.    

Jenny Morgan, the Oulton Bard!

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Jun-20-2006 @ 3:56 AM                           Permalink
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Let's get back on track indeed. The Bill, love it or hate it, there's something in there for everyone.

But I can't see bashing anyone, BA employee, or not, does anything to help any one side of the debate.

Actually it does the reverse.

In a democracy every vote counts, but we're not counting votes yet. We're discussing a change in the way the Broads are run, financed and promoted.

If I was an MP (I've never slept with my secretary, so I will never be able to hold that office), I would be looking at this thread, and be scratching my head, and thinking "what a bunch of yocals". If I was a holidaymaker I'm thinking Iraq might be a better place to visit.

If you've got ideas to help the area, lets hear them.

Maybe the bill won't pass, maybe it will. All I'm seeing here is some informed comment and a great deal of checking the wind direction at the hip level.

If politics are your thing, then this might not be the best place in the world to air your views if you are  unable to  do what a politician must do - sell your idea. Lets face it - you're not selling.

JM - You plant a link to speakerscorner that doesn't get picked up by anybody, even "old what's his name name", seems to be unable to cough up anything.

Poppy - I'll just PM you !

I've never met AJB but I'll stake a weeks wages that he could handle a boat as well as anyone here, probably much better. I also doubt that he can write good software, but he doesn't do that every working day.

I do, and still write rubbish code, and make mistakes, but I'm still try to be the best at what I do. Until the rangers have been given extra powers, what's the point in giving them a hard time ?

Give me a good reason to listen to the logic of your position. Then I and everyone else will listen.

Ranting against one person, or one entity is like teaching a pig to whistle.

Back to brass tacks. IF the bill is dead, there are still some issues that are really positive.

Be part of the solution, not the problem.


Here endith the lesson.

btw - I've been informed by better people that I , that I'm a moron. So please feel free to ignore the above.

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Jun-20-2006 @ 10:19 AM                           Permalink
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Richard, the link that I posted to S/C has had a slight pick up, not that that matters. A statement that black is black and white is white is hardly likely to engender much response! The point being though, it is there for folk to read and decide for themselves.

I think that most Broads folk would agree that the statutory Navigation Committee is not welcomed by the senior executives of the Broads Authority. Afterall, it has been disbanded once and was only reformed because of Ministerial intervention.

A visit to the Broads Authoriy website can be an arduous job, but reading the proposed Bill is no bad idea. Taking it at face value hardly instills confidence in the future! Yes, there is some good stuff in there. But for a private Bill to go through it needs to be non contentious. And that it is not!

Requesting the ability to be able to tell folk where, when and how they must go about their boating is hardly non contentious!

Demanding the ability to enter a boat, it might be someone's home, without a warrant is hardly non contentious.

Demanding the ability to close a navigable channel is hardly non contentious.

Changing the international rules for the prevention of collision at sea, rules that serve the rest of the world quite ably, should not pass without question.

The threat of the Sandford Principle via the back door is hardly non contentious.

Okay, so politics is not everybodies' cup of tea. But they can always ignore such threads.

From my political perspective these forums serve two purposes. They are a means of canvassing opinion, and a means of informing.

Poppy's opinion, sometimes direct in its approach, is not without foundation. I don't know his true identity but clearly he is pretty astute when it comes to Broadland politics. Unfortunately, but perhaps understandably, Andy appears to take it personally. Shame, because I don't intend that it should be, and I really don't think Poppy does either.

Jenny Morgan, the Oulton Bard!

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Well said, JM.

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Jenny,

What you've just done is a great help to all.

Most of us look at the bill as just a pile of goverment paperwork.

There's positives and negativies, pros and cons, but when you start to line item things people, not just those with a local axe to grind, but the visitors, who do in someway add to the scheme of things can add their voice. In a calm and logical manner.

The KISS  principle always works Smile


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