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A.J.B.
Jun-18-2006 @ 8:09 PM                           Permalink
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Pete,
I havnt a clue what your talking about, pm me, or tell me on here, I dont mind either way, but dont say something that leaves everyone guessing.

Poppy,
again you have lost me, "pull the right string"!!! at least I would use the correct name for the piece of string.
When did sailing become rocket science. boat-sail

Andy

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Andy,

Total thread drift here, were you on duty at the end of The New Cut on Thurs lunchtime? I was coming out from Reedham and thinking whether to take the long route back to my mooring, but the flood tide was putting me off, or whether to take the short cut done the New Cut. The dredging work taking place ultimately made the decision for me Smile

Keith

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Keith,

Yes it was me, the cut wasnt closed as such, between 11.30 and 12.50 Plaudit (a large tug) was pushing unifloats from the Haddiscoe end of the cut.
If you had gone down the cut, you would of had to go hard against the side and probably run aground.
All traffic from the other end was only held up behind Plaudit.

PS, Why didnt you stop and say hello. Smile

Andy

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Jun-18-2006 @ 10:02 PM                           Permalink
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quote:"......
again you have lost me, "pull the right string"!!! at least I would use the correct name for the piece of string
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I wanted to keep it general, but if you wish, here goes.

How many of the current crop of Rangers would know the topping lift from the throat, the throat from the peak, what they do and in which order or where the furling line is ( and what it does).
Then there is the issue of sorting this out on a yacht with which they are not familiar on a downwind run with a healthy 3 - 4 wind up your transom !

When you are then"dropping the rig", who is going to take the helm, find the crutches, ensure that all drops in place cleanly etc? (BTW, I won't be helping, as I have every right to expect that you are qualified for this.)

I am sure, that full risk assessments will have been carried out.......

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Hi Andy,

I wasn't sure if it was you, and I was single handed this trip. The tide was ripping through there, so would have been a bit tricky staying alongside for long. Was a steady plod down to the Berney Arms and then things got a lot easier all the way back to the WRC. Nice afternoon for it though. Shall see you next week if your at the meet.

Keith

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hi all,

quote:"......
As has been pointed out elsewhere, this is a Private bill, sponsored (with our money!) by the Broads Authority.
For bills of this type to succeed, they must not be controversial, and a simple demonstration that this is not the case when it reaches Parliament is enough to see it fail.
surely the way forward is to acquire some high profile help!
after all that has been said on here why not Roy Hudd? plus any other celebs./stars with broadland  connections.


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I wonder if contrary to normal situations, local M.Ps can be persuaded to take into account the views of non constituents. The contribution made to the local economy by non constituents is particularly high in the Broads area; furthermore a boat is a movable asset, we for instance find it a logistical inconvenience to keep our boat on the Broads, we do so ONLY because we enjoy the relative freedom of the Broads and anything that jeopardises that freedom will give us serious reason to consider a move. Currently on many weekends (say 25 a year) we spend no money in London at all, it all goes to Broadland enterprises. We even bought our new boat from a Broadland business which the in turn gained further revenue from the sale of our old boat, I do not wish to quote numbers but it is a material sum. All we need is this or a similar bill, a weather window, one day and it’s all gone somewhere else.

Just look at what the powers that be (other non listeners) have done to the local economy of Windermere and look at the reduction in tolls for boats there, each loss of toll equals a further loss in local spend, apart from the local boat transport companies who have been doing brisk business (not many return loads though). I do realise that the reasons for the Windermere exodus are slightly different but it proves that people will, If frustrated too far, vote with their feet (or keels in this case),

Rant over

David     


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Jun-19-2006 @ 3:16 PM                           Permalink
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Andy,

I have some sympathy with Poppy... I have seen rigs 'dropped' on many occasions. It can be done well and with care, safely and efficiently. It can be done in a way that is downright dangerous... I don't think it is unreasonable to ask whether all rangers are actually competent to perform the task?

Danny

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Now my two penny worth on dropping the gaff, rigging my transom and managing a force 4 in the peak, or whatever. Surely the whole point is mute? If the situation arose then a Ranger could instruct the master of a boat to lower his rig and prepare to be taken in tow. The last time I looked the master of any vessel was required to abide by the instructions of a properly appointed ranger.

Have things disintegrated so far that people feel this should no longer be the case, that they know better than a qualified ranger and that it is in order to ignore such instructions? If so I suggest those people should reconsider whether they should be on the river at all. Better still put them before a magistrate and have the priviledge removed formally.

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And if it could be shown that the "properly appointed ranger" was issuing an instruction which, in the conditions, could be shown to be unsafe?

It surely is not a case of if the Ranger is properly appointed, more a case of properly qualified in the first place.

Another thread shows that they don't know the sound signals (but I'm not sure that I do  Blush )

Is there a programme of continuous improvement or even ad hoc training in place for any Broads Authority Staff?

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