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Karen&Mike
Jul-04-2021 @ 6:16 PM                           Permalink
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Redken - I think the hire boat that got stuck actually became wedged under one of the side arches not the main span of Haven Bridge. Presumably because with little or no power it was simply a case of where the tide and wind shoved them !

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Karen&Mike said, ”So I hope you can see my point - if it is that easy to get washed down - as opposed to making a mistake and turning the wrong way - but simply get taken by the tide, surely there is a duty on someone, some organisation, to stop this risk from being taken?”

The Broads No-Authority, apart from having responsibilities under the 1988 Broads Act of:

(a)conserving and enhancing the natural beauty, wildlife and cultural heritage of the Broads;
(b)promoting opportunities for the understanding and enjoyment of the special qualities of the Broads by the public; and
(c)protecting the interests of navigation,

is a “Competent Harbour Authority” (really?) under the Pilotage Act 1987, and is, therefore, required to comply with the duties and responsibilities set out in the Port Marine Safety Code.

From comments I have read and heard over the years, this is a role the BNA would rather not have.

Anyone with a bit of free time might like to wade through this document https://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/206174/Development-of-the-Integrated-Safety-Management-System-SMS-Appendix-1.pdf and if they can find anything in it which addresses the perceived problem of insufficient instruction/competence of hirers, please let me know. Here is another read for you https://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/boating/navigating-the-broads/safety/port-marine-safety-code

You will note that ”a pragmatic approach has been taken to the application of the Code.”
Whatever does that mean? That they only pay it lip service? Tick a few boxes and hope that’s enough?

Ruby said, ”Not sure there is a solution beyond education unless the hire yards insurance companies decide the risk is so great the increased premiums  forces the hire yards to ban their boats from that bit of the network”

How do the insurance companies get to know about these risks? The hire yards go to great lengths to get an aggrieved private owner to let them carry out any repairs ‘in house’, so no claim goes through their insurers. The same goes for the (relatively) minor damage the hirers cause to the hire boats. I suspect that an insurance company only gets told if there is a serious injury (or worse) or a substantial loss – maybe a sinking.


Been hit by another boat? Report the incident to the Marine Accident Investigation Branch’s dedicated accident reporting line on 023 8023 2527 which is monitored 24 hours a day.  Help to make the Broads safer.

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"That aside I believe many older hire boats are underpowered when it comes to the tides around Yarmouth but I question why someone wouldnt  wait for slack or nearly slack water when it shouldn't be a problem"
I'd put that down to lack of education/ not mentioned on handover trail ,

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As I see it, this incident and associated discussion reinforces the importance of understnading the tides when passing through GY. With correct timing there should be no risk of getting swept down to Haven Bridge. Provided air draft is not a problem an arrival at slack water is ideal. There will be negligable tide in the Bure, and once at the junction then tide will be making up the Yare, carrying the boat away from Haven Bridge and on to Breydon. If airdraft means going at low water then there will still be tide down the Bure, but not in the Yare. Going the other way at low water means punching the tide up the Bure, and at slack water punching a weak tide across Breydon.

There is no minimum power for passing safely through GY if you get the tide right. I normally do it without any engine and making progress with just a couple of dinghy oars.

This raises the question of how to educate people about understanding the tides. It's a bit too much for a basic handover, but once understood then GY should not be either intimidating or dangerous.

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In the late '60's early '70's, before the blanket max of 6 mph was introduced and hire boats had their max speed reduced/limited, they were well able to cope with any state of the tide at Gt. Yarmouth even with the good old BMC or Perkins 4107/8.

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They have a problem for every solution.”

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