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The BSS is on a rolling basis so Al Hough it had one at 1 April 2021 it may have expired in 30 August 2021 if that is the fourth  anniversary of the test  .

You really need to find out if you can

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The owner did say in a message at the beginning of this when I enquired that there was a safety cert with about 3 years remaining on it.. is there anyway I can find out other than seeing the cert?, as the owner is not replying to me at all, and the boatyard certainly is not worth asking, I wouldn't waste my time for start and also I need to distance myself for my own sanity and liberty.

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The tester could tell you but you wouldneed to know who that was and that looks to be difficult .

The BA definately could once you have convinced them you are the new owner .They have on line access to the BSS system

I really think a polite phonecall to the BA tolls office is the way forward  

Good luck

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Have you asked the Boat Safety Scheme operator if they can help?
They can supply copy certificates but to registered owners.
However, the certificate tells you nothing really and all you need to know is the certificate number, the examiner and the expiry date.
The BA already know all of that and since you are trying to register the boat, and of course pay a toll in a few months time, they may fill that in themselves and register the boat in your name. If you speak to them nicely they may even tell you the relevant information for insurance and mooring purposes.
Once you are the registered owner you can get a copy certificate if you feel the need for the piece of paper.
It is worth looking at the BSS website as you can download a checklist of what is actually inspected and in reality most of it revolves around safety equipment like CO alarms, fire extiguishers, gas pipes, fuel leaks and the like; they are not really interested in structural integrity.

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Alan, I don't often get overly concerned over other folk's problems but that you consider your boat can not be slipped is worrying me. Who actually told you that it can not be slipped? It may be that a particular yard lifts a boat using strops and a hoist and perhaps feels that your boat is too tender to risk lifting. On the other hand, a yard that uses a cradle that will support the keel in its entirety might feel that the boat can be lifted. Martham have an ingenious cradle that can handle tender boats. Another way of looking at it is that if your boat needs DIY rebuilding then there is a high risk to a yard that the job will never be completed and the yard will be lumbered, it has happened! If no one will risk lifting your boat then my gut feeling is that you will be best to walk away from the project. That will inevitably mean disposing of an end of life boat, that will cost. You may have told us, is your boat GRP or timber? GRP really needs to be dry if you intend to bond anything to the hull.

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Judging by the respectable and honourable people who have looked at this boat and virtually condemned it.
I for one refuse to accept the seller was unaware of its many failings.
furthermore the very fact that the unfortunate and trusting buyer was persuaded to bypass any survey and conned into thinking this boat was fit for purpose suggests conformation of this.
a "guarantee" was  given or implied, that once secured a sale was quickly forgotten or denied.

having worked very hard to get where I am today I know how it must feel for the buyer to be in this position.
this so called boatyard salesman has had this poor fellow over.

I sympathise and I am glad It's not me in this position,,,,,
and so should that crooked seller.

I have been told by more than a few lately this is not an isolated occurrence in the norfolk boating world,and have recently seen another example of a £20k boat that was suffering from long term neglect and passed off as much better than it actually is.

these people have no moral code,, trust them at your financial peril.  





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thanks all

Boat is GRP, and I was told it could not be lifted due to the stringers (or whatever supports the floor but more importantly gives the boat its structural strength width wise) being rotten in the main or missing due to years of rot.

It was explained that if it was lifted it could just collapse in on its self like an eggshell.

The boat is 40+ years old but is dry as I have lifted about a 3rd of the floor and the areas the rotting stringers are are now free from the water that was sitting there, I am under the impression from looking that the water has made its way in from the fittings (fuel/water) on the deck as there are several areas that are spongy and on a couple of the fittings there is a small gap between the deck and the fitting, I assume that the spongy (balsa) wood has allowed the deck to drop away from the fittings.

The boat from my novice opinion is salvageable, and have been told that by a boat builder also, it is just the amount of work needed that I would be doing as finances do not allow any other option,  everything needs removing to expose all of the stringers for replacement, and then I would need to do a refit once the stringers are in, floor, walls, ceiling then kitchen toilet shower etc etc. Vast job.

Fortunately I am more than capable but it is logistics, time and money that create the real issues we face.

And that is why we are considering selling it on as a project at a massive loss.

alan

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Greybeard...I totally agree, given everything, I think we were knowingly 'seen coming' and our naivety and trusting nature left us wide open to this sort of practice, and it is just such a pity we are not in the position to pursue them, as the 27000 we paid was everything we had, apart from the money we had allocated to moorings, insurance and some cosmetic work that we knew was needed, we have since spent another 500+ on solicitors advice, more money wasted, and now we have to do something asap as at the mooring we are at the next years payment starts end of December.

I have set up a 'GOFUNDME' fundraiser campaign to try and bring some money in to help us out, as half of myself and my partner wants to carry on with the boat and bring it back to good condition, but the other half of us has been so battered by this whole experience that we just want put it behind us.  

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After all the grief you have had you will never love that boat and you will continuously be reminded of others failings and the injustice of it all .

Far better to bite the bullet and shift it on , for your sanity if nothing else .

Fingers crossed you make a decision you are happy with.
(Only in my opinion of course )

Graham

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Both myself and my partner (Gemma) are pretty easy going and do not suffer greatly from lifes curve balls, but this has had me with sleepless nights just churning it over and tears on both our parts, and although the money side of things has had an impact as we have we have taken a big hit, we can sort of live with that, but what I am finding really difficult to accept is that we cannot hold them accountable for this and although I am not one who wants to dish out revenge, and much prefer to forgive, I have had some silly thoughts and would love to let go of the frustration I feel.

alan

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" finding really difficult to accept is that we cannot hold them accountable for this and although I am not one who wants to dish out revenge, and much prefer to forgive, I have had some silly thoughts and would love to let go of the frustration I feel."
I would go down the small claims Court route, It will cost you approx £400-450 and you will have to get quotes for the work that needs to be carried out, From what you say it sounds as though you have a reasonable case, but you can never tell. The difficulty is in proving they dissuaded you from having a survey carried out and linking that to them knowing a survey would in all probability kill the claim.
Your first step is to get quotes, download the form and make them aware of what you are intending to do and give them chance to pay or make a counter offer.
If you do file a claim, make it in a court convenient for you but as far away from the other party as you can.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/legal-system/small...
Worth a read


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