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Hi Alan tha BA will tell you next year when you tax the boat if it needs a BSC if not 2 to 3 hundred pounds for four years providing it passes, if it had one there shouldn't be much to do fire extinguisher or fire blanket out of date is most common. John

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It is definitely tolled as I checked online and it says toll paid.

So given that it is paid am I right to assume it has a current valid BSS even though I don't have access to it?

I have it insured for 3rd party only as I could not get anything else on it as it cannot even be lifted for a survey, should I want to have one (after the fact).

So I suppose my only issue (outside of all of the other issues) is the registration of the boat.

should I go ahead with the repairs (self) it needs to be in the water as not safe to lift until they are carried out, unless it can be boarded out with say scaffold boards inside to give it some structural strength for lifting.

But I am near to George at Ludham so ideally I would stay close by to there.

Also my mooring renewal is due end of december so have to also decide what I am doing for that reason also

alan

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The survey may not have picked the rotten stringers up because unless you remove all the floors before hand anything screwed down is not removed I found this out on my boat as the majority of the hull was not inspected inside"
Ive had Andorra surveyed twice and both times they were very thorough, All floor boards lifted under seats in cupboard, first time was by Steve Truss who in my opinion was the best surveyor on the Broads but moved abroad, second was Guy Simmonds (if I remember tight, the boatyard arranged it for me, equally thorough. Both carry a pretty full set of tools, hammer and screwdriver Wink   .  
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if it is to be it is up to me.

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The BSS is on a rolling basis so Al Hough it had one at 1 April 2021 it may have expired in 30 August 2021 if that is the fourth  anniversary of the test  .

You really need to find out if you can

Graham


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The owner did say in a message at the beginning of this when I enquired that there was a safety cert with about 3 years remaining on it.. is there anyway I can find out other than seeing the cert?, as the owner is not replying to me at all, and the boatyard certainly is not worth asking, I wouldn't waste my time for start and also I need to distance myself for my own sanity and liberty.

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The tester could tell you but you wouldneed to know who that was and that looks to be difficult .

The BA definately could once you have convinced them you are the new owner .They have on line access to the BSS system

I really think a polite phonecall to the BA tolls office is the way forward  

Good luck

Graham

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Have you asked the Boat Safety Scheme operator if they can help?
They can supply copy certificates but to registered owners.
However, the certificate tells you nothing really and all you need to know is the certificate number, the examiner and the expiry date.
The BA already know all of that and since you are trying to register the boat, and of course pay a toll in a few months time, they may fill that in themselves and register the boat in your name. If you speak to them nicely they may even tell you the relevant information for insurance and mooring purposes.
Once you are the registered owner you can get a copy certificate if you feel the need for the piece of paper.
It is worth looking at the BSS website as you can download a checklist of what is actually inspected and in reality most of it revolves around safety equipment like CO alarms, fire extiguishers, gas pipes, fuel leaks and the like; they are not really interested in structural integrity.

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Alan, I don't often get overly concerned over other folk's problems but that you consider your boat can not be slipped is worrying me. Who actually told you that it can not be slipped? It may be that a particular yard lifts a boat using strops and a hoist and perhaps feels that your boat is too tender to risk lifting. On the other hand, a yard that uses a cradle that will support the keel in its entirety might feel that the boat can be lifted. Martham have an ingenious cradle that can handle tender boats. Another way of looking at it is that if your boat needs DIY rebuilding then there is a high risk to a yard that the job will never be completed and the yard will be lumbered, it has happened! If no one will risk lifting your boat then my gut feeling is that you will be best to walk away from the project. That will inevitably mean disposing of an end of life boat, that will cost. You may have told us, is your boat GRP or timber? GRP really needs to be dry if you intend to bond anything to the hull.

Jolly Roger

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Judging by the respectable and honourable people who have looked at this boat and virtually condemned it.
I for one refuse to accept the seller was unaware of its many failings.
furthermore the very fact that the unfortunate and trusting buyer was persuaded to bypass any survey and conned into thinking this boat was fit for purpose suggests conformation of this.
a "guarantee" was  given or implied, that once secured a sale was quickly forgotten or denied.

having worked very hard to get where I am today I know how it must feel for the buyer to be in this position.
this so called boatyard salesman has had this poor fellow over.

I sympathise and I am glad It's not me in this position,,,,,
and so should that crooked seller.

I have been told by more than a few lately this is not an isolated occurrence in the norfolk boating world,and have recently seen another example of a £20k boat that was suffering from long term neglect and passed off as much better than it actually is.

these people have no moral code,, trust them at your financial peril.  





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thanks all

Boat is GRP, and I was told it could not be lifted due to the stringers (or whatever supports the floor but more importantly gives the boat its structural strength width wise) being rotten in the main or missing due to years of rot.

It was explained that if it was lifted it could just collapse in on its self like an eggshell.

The boat is 40+ years old but is dry as I have lifted about a 3rd of the floor and the areas the rotting stringers are are now free from the water that was sitting there, I am under the impression from looking that the water has made its way in from the fittings (fuel/water) on the deck as there are several areas that are spongy and on a couple of the fittings there is a small gap between the deck and the fitting, I assume that the spongy (balsa) wood has allowed the deck to drop away from the fittings.

The boat from my novice opinion is salvageable, and have been told that by a boat builder also, it is just the amount of work needed that I would be doing as finances do not allow any other option,  everything needs removing to expose all of the stringers for replacement, and then I would need to do a refit once the stringers are in, floor, walls, ceiling then kitchen toilet shower etc etc. Vast job.

Fortunately I am more than capable but it is logistics, time and money that create the real issues we face.

And that is why we are considering selling it on as a project at a massive loss.

alan

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