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Oh dear, I hope my pessimism proves to be unfounded.

Maybe you could let us know the final outcome in due course.

All the best

Graham

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Yes, I think it prudent I now wait until such time as warrants an update.
  
I am not concerned as to anything I have written on here, apart from a bit of a vent and voicing my personal opinion on someone (based on my experience of them) everything is event-based and factual.

thank you all and to those who PM'd me, most helpful.

alan

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Ok update

after paying a consumer law solicitor to look at and advise on our situation, we cannot pursue this, as we have been given a 50/50 chance of winning and to take it to court would cost us £15,000, to much money for us and even if we had the funds to do that, if we lost it would be in the region of £37,000 costs.

As much as I want those who did this to be held accountable and responsible, it appears justice is there for those with deep pockets.

If the law was kept simple then we would be ok.

'loss occurs....make whole'

Now if anyone can assist with this query I would be most grateful.

We do not have a signed/witnessed bill of sale (we have an unsigned one) despite 2 requests for a signed bill to the yard and I have contacted the original owner for one, none of these parties are coming forth with a bill...do I need a signed bill of sale? how can I register the boat?

We have two options sell on or fix up ourselves. we are weighing up the pros and cons of both at present.

Now to sell the boat on as a project and try and recoup some money out of this mess (saying that politely!), will not having a signed bill of sale or any documentation hinder that?

alan

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Nov-23-2021 @ 8:36 AM                           Permalink
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I greatly sympathise with your position.. as far as I can see the only way forward is to do the repairs yourself..

As for registration if you are meaning with the Broads Authority then no proof is needed.. Just fill in the form  you've got XXX pay them them the money and you're registered. Registration with BA is not proof of ownership..

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Hi Alan

I agree with sheque. As she already has a BA registration all they will want is the money next April along with a valid BSS and insurance declaration .

Assuming of course the previous owner paid this year's Toll ???

If you are worried about proof of ownership for yourself to stop anyone claiming th boat after you have restored it then you should be ok with your current bill of sale plus a visible audit trail of the finances ie. bank transfer or cheque not cash or swap for car or paid to a third party friend of the owner.

I once gave a Broads registered project boat away with no documentation and she has been successfully used on the Broads subsequently by two different owners .

By the way did you finally get the mooring you were searching for .?

All the best

Graham

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Thanks

Ok so I have an unsigned bill of sale and banktransfer of the purchase.

The toll is paid until end of march

However I do not have a BSS although the boat was sold stating it had one?

and looking at registering the boat all I can find is registering and paying the toll? and that I need to provide the BSS?

I don't know what to do, do I get a new BSS carried out and then register the boat and repay the toll, as the site seems to suggest I have to do that?

sorry so ignorant to all of this.

alan

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Alan, you have my sympathies, not that that is worth a jot!

If you contact the Broads Authority tolls department then you can explain that you are the new owner, they won't ask you to prove that. However, if the boat has Broads registration numbers then they can tell you if the boat is tolled and whether it has a BSS certificate. Now, if you are NOT using the boat but that she is laid up, either afloat or ashore, and that you are working on her, or if a yard is working on her, then I believe that the BA can agree that the boat is toll exempt whilst the work is done. The same applies if the boat is on brokerage. The Tolls Office is staffed by good people, give them a call. If I'm wrong then I'm sure that someone will tell me! In the meantime have a word with Martham Boats with regard to storing her ashore so that you can work on her. You can trust Martham and they will advise. I won't advise where not to go but I'm confident that Martham will treat you right. Martham is used and trusted by many of us locals which should tell you something.

Jolly Roger

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If it is tolled it must have had a BSS certificate valid at that time. I believe they are a public record and you should be able to check when it expired with the BSS people.

If it is still ok you just need to tell theBA you now own the boat , it is insured and they will send future toll reminders to you.

You will not have to pay again for this year .

Without wishing to cause more strife if you have the existence of a BSs in writing and it turns out to by untrue that opens the possibility of a claim against the advertiser so you might get some accountability after all .

Finally if you need a BSS be prepared for a nasty shock as it might fail . A well maintained  boat will pass with no trouble at  every renewal but  a bodged boat can be costly to bring back to the necessary standard. Sensible to allow for £1000 just in case .

Good luck

Graham



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Re the BSS, it might be worth having a test, if only to find out what needs doing! The integrity of the hull is, perhaps surprisingly not a part of the BSS.

Jolly Roger

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Sorry Alan

I think my memory of the BSS being a public record is wrong. Their web site says new owners should get details from previous owners ( not much use to you)

The BA will have access to the BSS database and can confirm existence of a certificate but only to the registered owner .

I suggest a phone call to the tolls office is the way forward. They are incredibly helpful and will do their best to help but they cannot break data protection rules .

I think you need to see what they say before deciding your next step.

I strongly suggest you keep the question simple without confusing them with the back story .

Good luck

Graham

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