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Yes Jolly its pretty similar to that, having removed some flooring, the fiberglass is flat until the center where it drops to create the bilge though i wouldn't say it was shallow, it is about maybe 2 foot deep though not so wide, there are a couple of slight channels on the flatter surfaces but only an inch or two deep and wide

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A quick google reveals only information concerning marine engines and their repair, nothing about boat sales, or brokerage, moorings etc? haven't even got a website.
https://www.boatsandwatersportswebsite.co.uk/item/toby-cox-marine-services/

head honcho is toby cox,, apparently.


something not quite right about this whole scenario,
and no bill of sale given,, even after request?

very odd way to operate a business.
this also came up,http://the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/printthread.cfm?Forum=38&Topic=34019, scroll down the page and our very own paladine has met the fellow in question, perhaps he could assist in some way?


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I have a bill of sale, just not signed by owner and witnessed, and nothing after requesting a proper one, but yes after today's reveal of them lying on paper about our interactions ( I was extremely angry) and me digging out the recording of what he actually said at the time(the opposite), they are a shoddy outfit.

But they are a business and have customers, regrettably me being one of them.

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Greybeard, I don't know why you want to involve me in this. My post, from 2014, to which you refer, was:

"The chap at Stalham Staithe is Brian Greenwood and he has loads of old spare parts in his workshop.

Contact numbers are 01692 582239 or more likely mobile 07947 817767. "


Just an update, as this seems to be a useful resource. I have no connection, but ran into Toby this afternoon and had a chat.

Brian Greenwood has retired. His business and premises are being carried on by Toby Cox as Marine Transmissions @ Stalham Staithe. From what slodge has said, he seems to know his business.

Tele: 01692 582239
Mob:  07788 598789

Since then, I haven't heard anything derogatory about him, but nor have I had any professional dealings with him.

By the same token, I don't know the OP, who hasn't been the forum long enough to establish a reputation, so my only comment on this situation would be caveat emptor

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This topic started by me was to air my experience as a total novice and to receive any guidance and support from those with knowledge.

I did not start this topic to create any friction between anyone on this forum, and I also did not start this topic naming the yard or person in question.

I have since named, only due to the fact..(regardless of me being relatively new and therefore my reputation is unknown) that I now have a letter from Toby where he has fabricated the reason he did not lift the boat, stating that he has no concerns structurally about lifting this vessel but that it was because I was aggressive, so not only has he lied about the reason, but also was slanderous about myself. when in actual fact the reason he did not lift the boat was due to its structural issues, I have a recorded phone call with him where he says he cannot lift the boat as is due to the issues with the structure, nothing to do with the reason he states in the letter. the guy is a lair and I have the proof of that.

So anyone who knows him, may not know him well enough to know how he actually conducts himself in business, when he thinks he can get away with it.

alan

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Alan wrote " the fiberglass is flat until the center where it drops to create the bilge though i wouldn't say it was shallow, it is about maybe 2 foot deep though not so wide, there are a couple of slight channels on the flatter surfaces but only an inch or two deep and wide."

That sounds very much like what I discovered under my floor. The central bilge is fine and no problem but those shallow trays, on my boat at least, are all interlinked through small, maybe 1" diameter,drainage channels. Over the years these channels silt up with decaying leaves with general dust and dirt and once they are blocked it doesn't take long for these flat trays to fill with water that cannot escape so it soaks into your floor. Give it a few years and you have a rotten floor.
Since you appear to be having the whole floor up it may be prudent to see if you can improve on the original  interconnecting drainage by enlarging the channels or adding more of them if at all possible.


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Yes it would be prudent to look at altering these channels when it is all exposed, so will do thanks.

This whole discovery came about due to a pump not clearing the bilge where the shower empties into, so I replaced the faulty pump cleared the bilge, and then went on an investigation and noticed a slightly damp section of floor behind the couch, I removed a small section of the floor to discover the rotten stringer, which led me to remove larger sections of floor to discover more and more rot, to the degree that whole sections of stringers are missing due to previous years of rot, however there had been a DIY job carried out using off cuts of what looks like any wood available (decking, 2b4 etc) to give the floor structure, I have since found that through out the whole boat this DIY job has been carried out which did give the floor its solidity though did nothing to address the stringers and therefore the structural support they give the boat, all of the still existing rotten stringers where left in place and just bits of wood where patched onto them for the purpose of supporting the floor, there were also wedges put between the fiberglass hull and the floor to support it.



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@ paladine. I don't want to "involve" you at all?
that's entirely up to you.

I searched to see if there were any other references to the yard in question and came across your old post.

previous posts of yours have been both eloquent, level headed and informative, I therefor wondered if you could add anything that may be helpful.

I hadn't realised there was a time period that entitled posters to help and advice.

I'm sure if it was a broads authority matter you would be all over it. Playful Wink



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Greybeard, I understand what you're saying. If this was something of public concern, then I would do extensive research of my own, before jumping in with both feet. But, in this case, it is a private matter between two individuals. As far as I am aware, Toby isn't a member here, and even if he was, I wouldn't expect him to try to settle any dispute on a discussion forum.

While it is useful to be aware of local companies that give good or bad service, it isn't at all helpful to set out any dispute, blow by blow, in such a public, and one-sided, manner. For all we know, the OP may be totally naive and trusting and has been well and truly 'had over'. Or he might have simply bought badly and is trying to blame someone else. If the defects are only discoverable by taking up the flooring, I doubt whether any surveyor would have found them, although, if it is a known problem of this type of boat, suitable advice about checking may have been given.

I would suggest that taking legal advice should be the next step. NBF isn't able to sort this out and I don't think that using the forum to trash a local business's hitherto good reputation is desirable.

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I am being brought into question by you, so I could very well be lying about all of this as you have given as one of the options regarding what I am stating, as could anybody who posts anything on here.

The fact that you ran into Toby and spoke to him, possibly suggests you are bringing me into question not purely as an unbiased observer.

My intention was not to trash a local business and reputation on here, as the first post I think makes clear, but when a local business with 'hitherto good reputation' is conducting themselves in the manner in which they are dealing with myself and my partner, (though you bring that into question) then I will publicly say the facts as they are, and if that is not allowed on this forum then so be it, a rule is rule and therefore must be adhered to and apply in all such situations.

Though I brought this topic here as we are suffering this very much alone, and this has been an extremely stressful and upsetting experience, and when I see my partner crying as a result of what has taken place by this company/person, believe me venting on a forum is mild in comparison to what I actually feel like doing about this.

alan

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