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Sorry to hear of your misadventure and inadequate guidance from someone in which you placed your trust.
However, without the intention of being dismissive, unless you had paid for a full structural survey whereby floors were lifted, fixtures and fittings removed etc. etc. which would have no doubt cost you £1000's, it is unlikely these issues would have been discovered.
When I purchased my boat a couple of years ago I had a basic survey done and the boat was given a clean bill of health. A comment was included that the floor was a little "springy" outside the WC "which is not uncommon for boats of this construction".
After a few months, when I removed the beds as part of a refit that we had intended to do from the point of purchase, I found that much of the plywood floor was so rotten you could push a finger through it and upon removing the rotten floor I found as you have the supporting framework was in a very sorry state.
Fortunately, I am quite handy with my power tools and have managed to rectify 40 years of wrongs but it has meant that with the unforseen work required, covid, fuel shortages and the like we have still yet to put the boat to its intended use.
Oh well, Christmas and the New Year afloat beckon and we are looking forward to it!
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Ok instead of naming and shaming perhaps we could be more positive, I'll start the ball rolling..
Just bought a boat from the NYA they advised me to have a survey despite the fact it was a stock boat their attitude in my case was that the surveyor may find something we have missed and this like I say was on a stock boat!!
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@ruby,,
I agree, hence my comment of not trusting any of them,
many individuals will have had good or bad experiences from many different yards over their time in the boating world, It cant be a bad thing for all those events to be mentioned,
It will soon become known who to avoid, who to keep an eye open for, and those that provide excellent service and customer care.
but I fear the horse has long bolted in this case and the unfortunate purchaser has a few ways to sort it. throwing money at it is one way out,
legal advice would be another.
the other alternative is not for public scrutiny,,,,maybe just use your imagination.
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I`ll share the experiance of two instances, one paid for a full survey on a boat but the guy missed a hole in the hull that had been badly repaired along with other thingss that should of been picked up on and the other once brought a motorhome which had had the whole rear panel badly replaced but looked ok and leaked like a sieve when it rained (not a mot thing).
So what can one do?
All help gratefully
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Many service proffesions have insurance. Does the same apply to surveyors, in particular those who survey boats. Has the surveyor got insurance should he be found negligent. If so, how do you know if he has paid for such a provision, and how do you pursue him.
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@flonker, the yard talked the op out of having the survey, and gave assurance there was nothing major wrong with the vessel, I believe the word "guarantee" was used as the first post indicated.
It could of course be "speculated" that the survey was carefully sidestepped on purpose to hide the rot found previously.
"just saying"
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With respect GB that is not what I queried.
In brief, what liability is the marine surveyor accountable. They seem to request, demand, a considerable sum for their services. There must be a degree of responsibility. Do they have insurance to protect themselves and in return their customers in the event of a consideration with regard to a conflict of opinion, an error in recognising a problem.
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I don't know the answer to your question,,
but it makes little difference to the op since he was dissuaded from actually having a survey,,, with unfortunately, disastrous results.
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After the fact, I have done much research, and yes surveyors are insured though I am sure they have strong clauses.
I also am able to turn my hand to most anything, which is fortunate given our situation, also George at LBY who I took the boat to for his opinion (disgusting) has offered to assist with guidance and ordering materials through his BY, so am just waiting on a mooring to come free at LBY (as cannot be carried out at present mooring) in order to commence gutting, replacing stringers and then refit. Now, this is a mammoth undertaking as the boat is 43ft, but it is financially the only option available.
We cannot sell on as I would guess we would lose £10+ thousand, and all of our life savings went into this, with a nominal amount held back for necessary expenses, the biggest one being that the boat needed a freshen up, painting all of its outer.
As has been mentioned finding issues is not uncommon, and maybe a survey would not have identified the rotten stringers.
But my issue is the selling practice of the yard concerned, as we made very clear our financial situation and when the yard said about saving money by not having a survey, we then said our concern, that if something came to light that would cost £5000 we could not afford to get it repaired, we were guaranteed that nothing would be wrong with the boat that would cost that much.
Now this was the yards representative I do not know what position he holds, but when I then approached the owner and mentioned the above his reply was:
'Do not try and put this on me, I do not know what was said to you and am not responsible for this, it is a case of 'Buyer Beware'
Now I understand 'caveat emptor' however as far as I am aware what was said during the selling of the boat forms part of the description in some manner, and if there is anything that influences the purchase then there is a responsibility on the part of those who 'influenced'.
I have written to those concerned, and await a reply if any, I will then look at the next step to take.
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I totally understand your grievance, Alan.
The survey may not have discovered the problem but a boatyard talking you out of having a survey done was, at best, poor advice or, at worst, deliberately trying to hide serious flaws from you.
At least the second yard appears willing to offer assistance to you and to be fair to the industry most do.
Trying to take a positive from the sorry episode, as I did with mine, at least you can be sure you will end up with a solid deck and your boat can be refitted just how you want it. It will just take time!
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