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Oct-15-2021 @ 11:32 AM                           Permalink
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Hi Greybeard

I agree a rating system or a trip advisor star system would be a good idea.

I only meant that an individual experience at a particular time is not always a representative view of a yard .

Graham

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I’m sorry for this predicament but atleast you’re alright, that’s the main.
There’s a few options which others have mentioned in their good posts. Perhaps remind the broker that they had given a verbal guarantee of no significant damage and you can then come to a agreement with the work to carry out. But it seems like he said, I’m just the middleman so no actual legal incumbent on him/them to check the boat over. Surely they would want to lift the floorboards to check wether a private sellers boat was going to sink on their patch or not. Perhaps they don’t and they never saw the perishing stringers so gave the guarantee in good faith.  But he still gave that guarantee nevertheless.
I’m with Graham/Ruby advice on selling the boat on as a project if  you’re not completely smitten with it or perhaps if you would enjoy the process of replacing the stringers and building it back up just how you like it..bespoken, shipwrights style!

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Thank you all for your replies.

The boatyard is not the one that instantly comes to mind for some(only know this after the boatyard I took it to for advice, asked if it was them).

And although I feel that I should name them given what I have experienced, I won't just yet.

I don't think they did this with complete intention (though my partner does) I think they have just been neglectful in their profession, the fact they told us the boat would have nothing seriously expensively wrong with it, and then when discovered it did, they do not have the decency to take any responsibility.

I am thinking of the legal aspect of the verbal advice/guidance and guarantee, though I know as a trader/broker they are not responsible, they are certainly responsible for misleading us about the boat's condition especially as we had been very clear of our financial position.

If we had the funds, we would plough another 10-15 thousand into it, but we don't, and the thought of selling it and taking 10 thousand loss is unthinkable.

So for now, we just have to wait to see what happens next.


alan

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Also, I would add that there may have been an additional invested interest for the yard selling it.

The owner had their new boat at the yard having a complete refit, this was to be ready within weeks and would then be going on the mooring (owners private) that the boat we bought was still moored at.

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puddleduck pm sent

alan

This message was edited by aledsav1 on Oct-15-21 @ 1:55 PM

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Oct-15-2021 @ 3:57 PM                           Permalink
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Sorry to hear of your misadventure and inadequate guidance from someone in which you placed your trust.
However, without the intention of being dismissive, unless you had paid for a full structural survey whereby floors were lifted, fixtures and fittings removed etc. etc. which would have no doubt cost you £1000's, it is unlikely these issues would have been discovered.
When I purchased my boat a couple of years ago I had a basic survey done and the boat was given a clean bill of health. A comment was included that the floor was a little "springy" outside the WC "which is not uncommon for boats of this construction".
After a few months, when I removed the beds as part of a refit that we had intended to do from the point of purchase, I found that much of the plywood floor was so rotten you could push a finger through it and upon removing the rotten floor I found as you have the supporting framework was in a very sorry state.
Fortunately, I am quite handy with my power tools and have managed to rectify 40 years of wrongs but it has meant that with the unforseen work required, covid, fuel shortages and the like we have still yet to put the boat to its intended use.
Oh well, Christmas and the New Year afloat beckon and we are looking forward to it!

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Ok instead of naming and shaming perhaps we could be more positive, I'll start the ball rolling..
Just bought a boat from the NYA they advised me to have a survey despite the fact it was a stock boat their attitude in my case was that the surveyor may find something we have missed and this like I  say was on a stock boat!!

L

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@ruby,,
I agree, hence my comment of not trusting any of them,

many individuals will have had good or bad experiences from many different yards over their time in the boating world, It cant be a bad thing for all those events to be  mentioned,
It will soon become known who to avoid, who to keep an eye open for, and those that provide excellent service and customer care.

but I fear the horse has long bolted in this case and the unfortunate purchaser has a few ways to sort it. throwing money at it is one way out,
legal advice would be another.

the other alternative is not for public scrutiny,,,,maybe just  use your imagination.

my appearance is down to me, my attitude is down to you.

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I`ll share the experiance of two instances, one paid for a full survey on a boat but the guy missed a hole in the hull that had been badly repaired along with other thingss that should of been picked up on and the other once brought a motorhome which had had the whole rear panel badly replaced but looked ok and leaked like a sieve when it rained (not a mot thing).
So what can one do?

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Many service proffesions have insurance. Does the same apply to surveyors, in particular those who survey boats. Has the surveyor got insurance should he be found negligent. If so, how do you know if he has paid for such a provision, and how do you pursue him.

Dwile Flonker

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Oct-15-2021 @ 9:16 PM                           Permalink
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@flonker, the yard talked the op out of having the survey, and gave assurance there was nothing major wrong with the vessel, I believe the word "guarantee" was used as the first post indicated.

It could of course be "speculated" that the survey was carefully sidestepped on purpose to hide the rot found previously.

"just saying"

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