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Dec-22-2018 @ 3:04 PM                           Permalink
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With respect, I would suggest that the price of fuel as posted by the original observer on the FB page is correct. He was actually looking at the sign displaying the said prices. Thus the FB page is entirely accurate and there is no need to doubt or question such post. I would refer the member to the Gospel according to St John Chapter 20 verses 24-29. Playful Wink

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Is anyone doubting the price of diesel? I must have misunderstood, as I thought the thread was about not selling petrol anymore?

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..."I thought the thread was about not selling petrol anymore?"...

Precisely ....

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My perception is that both the price of fuel, and the discontinuation of the sale of petrol is being somewhat doubted. I was simply clarifying the matter by confirming the content of the original post as being accurate. This being based on the indisputable evidence of the original poster on the FB page, who visited the actual site and, as a reliable witness to the fact, it is beyond any reasonable doubt that the said retailer is no longer selling petrol and selling diesel at the price stated. The confusion (if any) has arisen due to the reliability of the original post being brought into question as a result of reading the retailer's website, which is out of date. It is reasonable to assume that given the empirical evidence available (ie observation by a reliable witness), the facts can be firmly established that there is no longer petrol at the said retailer and that the said retailer is selling diesel at the price stated. Even the most skeptical logical positivist would find difficulty in doubting the truth in this case. The original poster in this thread took the information from a FB group of which he/she is a member, and then cast doubt over the accuracy of this information. I was simply supporting the accuracy of content of the FB page and the integrity of the poster of the information on the said page. I would suggest that it would be polite to either accept the information as reliable, or if one is in doubt about the accuracy, not post at all until all the facts are verified to one's satisfaction. Little wonder I tend to avoid the various Broads forums.

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To be fair, I didn't see anyone doubting the accuracy of the information?

If the tank is being filled in then they ain't selling petrol ( hardly a surprise given the storage regulations) and the price of diesel is a little expensive, but if they are not turning over much stock at this time of the year, then they will have probably bought that load before the collapse in oil prices.

Perhaps what is more surprising is the Shell garage at Brundall is still selling diesel at 137.9p a litre when supermarkets are probably 12-14p cheaper - they have not put their price down either and still people queue at their pumps!! Some wealthy people around here!!

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On the subject of petrol back in the summer my car petrol routine failed me and though I avoid posh high price fuel I did have to open the wallet a bit at Brundall due of lack of time for £30 of 4* but I was surprised how much better my engine ran after a few miles and indeed has for the months since whilst back on cheap & cheerful again. So lesson learned a 3 times a year treat needed maybe?

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"That said, it's still listed as available on their Marina services, so not able to confirm one way or t'other at the moment."


The above sentence is fairly clear evidence of the doubting of the accuracy of the FB post. Being "unable to confirm", is unambiguously  calling into doubt the accuracy of the post and is unequivocally a rejection or denial of the accuracy of the post. If the person who wrote the words believed in the accuracy of the post, they would hardly have needed to add the caveat that they were "unable to confirm". Adding this stem to the statement implies doubt as to the accuracy of the premise. The original FB post came from a person who, through direct observation, had knowledge of the price of fuel and the discontinuation of petrol:thus he/she possess empirical evidence of both the price and the situation. He/she was simply trying to share information for the benefit of others. Calling into question the accuracy of this evidence implies a questioning of the integrity of that person.If that person's integrity was valued, the post would be taken as justified, true belief - which in philosophical terms is knowledge and therefor true. One does not need a post-graduate degree in philosophy to see that this thread is basically implying the original poster of the information on the FB page is having his/her integrity questioned. Why can't people accept the information and the accuracy of the source? After all, some of you probably base your political views on what you read in the Daily Mail or Sun (other newspapers are available).  

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Mercator, may I thank you for bringing to our attention, by way of copying a post in a closed Facebook group by an unnamed member of said group, whose record of veracity is unknown to those on this site, that petrol is no longer sold by Broom Marine Services. That the Broom website shows that petrol is still available obviously raises the questions, was the Facebook poster premature in their announcement, or is the Broom website incorrect? I really do understand your difficulty with these questions, and appreciate your frankness in admitting that you have not verified either claim yourself.

If it is the intention of Broom to cease to provide petrol once the current stock has been exhausted, but that petrol is currently available, they have been done a disservice by the Facebook post, as potential purchasers of such fuel will go elsewhere. If, as may be the case, the fuel stock has already been exhausted, the Facebook post, which only a select few can access, would save those select few an unproductive journey.

As neither you nor I have petrol-fuelled vessels, I suppose it’s all rather academic, other than to update the knowledge base of this wonderful forum, once the information has been reliably verified.

Happy Christmas, one and all.  Smile

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In effect what certain members of this group are doing is obtaining information from another source, then questioning not only the accuracy of the information, but also the integrity of the person who posted that information. If this information could not be verified to their satisfaction, why would it be in the interest of anyone to post the information in the first place? Would it not be best for the secondary poster to check the information and ensure accuracy beyond any reasonable doubt? The result is now a somewhat unfortunate disagreement, which leads me to suspect the original intention was not to provide information, but to discredit the poster of the information and the site on which it was posted. If this is the case, such behavior is, presumably, against the terms and conditions of any reasonable forum.I have been informed that the person who copied this information has regrettably been removed from the FB group for questioning the authenticity of information promulgated by a member of the group and calling into question his/her integrity. This is unacceptable behavior  and I  would urge the administrators of this group to deal with the matter accordingly in order to ensure a return to relative harmony. As someone who does not usually get involved in this forum, I find this matter rather distasteful. It is hardly surprising that this and other forums are not attracting members if this is an indication of the nature of forum conversation.    

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neilandnat, you seem to be expending great deal of effort to try to bring discord to this forum. If that is your only purpose for being a member here,  please desist. I had hoped that we were now free of such behaviour.

You have now sought to besmirch the excellent reputation of a valued member here, which is totally unacceptable and contrary to the forum’s Terms of Service.

You have a very peculiar understanding of ‘Season of Goodwill’

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