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neilandnat
Dec-23-2018 @ 9:11 PM                           Permalink
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"That said, it's still listed as available on their Marina services, so not able to confirm one way or t'other at the moment."


The above sentence is fairly clear evidence of the doubting of the accuracy of the FB post. Being "unable to confirm", is unambiguously  calling into doubt the accuracy of the post and is unequivocally a rejection or denial of the accuracy of the post. If the person who wrote the words believed in the accuracy of the post, they would hardly have needed to add the caveat that they were "unable to confirm". Adding this stem to the statement implies doubt as to the accuracy of the premise. The original FB post came from a person who, through direct observation, had knowledge of the price of fuel and the discontinuation of petrol:thus he/she possess empirical evidence of both the price and the situation. He/she was simply trying to share information for the benefit of others. Calling into question the accuracy of this evidence implies a questioning of the integrity of that person.If that person's integrity was valued, the post would be taken as justified, true belief - which in philosophical terms is knowledge and therefor true. One does not need a post-graduate degree in philosophy to see that this thread is basically implying the original poster of the information on the FB page is having his/her integrity questioned. Why can't people accept the information and the accuracy of the source? After all, some of you probably base your political views on what you read in the Daily Mail or Sun (other newspapers are available).  

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Mercator, may I thank you for bringing to our attention, by way of copying a post in a closed Facebook group by an unnamed member of said group, whose record of veracity is unknown to those on this site, that petrol is no longer sold by Broom Marine Services. That the Broom website shows that petrol is still available obviously raises the questions, was the Facebook poster premature in their announcement, or is the Broom website incorrect? I really do understand your difficulty with these questions, and appreciate your frankness in admitting that you have not verified either claim yourself.

If it is the intention of Broom to cease to provide petrol once the current stock has been exhausted, but that petrol is currently available, they have been done a disservice by the Facebook post, as potential purchasers of such fuel will go elsewhere. If, as may be the case, the fuel stock has already been exhausted, the Facebook post, which only a select few can access, would save those select few an unproductive journey.

As neither you nor I have petrol-fuelled vessels, I suppose it’s all rather academic, other than to update the knowledge base of this wonderful forum, once the information has been reliably verified.

Happy Christmas, one and all.  Smile

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Dec-24-2018 @ 6:08 AM                           Permalink
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In effect what certain members of this group are doing is obtaining information from another source, then questioning not only the accuracy of the information, but also the integrity of the person who posted that information. If this information could not be verified to their satisfaction, why would it be in the interest of anyone to post the information in the first place? Would it not be best for the secondary poster to check the information and ensure accuracy beyond any reasonable doubt? The result is now a somewhat unfortunate disagreement, which leads me to suspect the original intention was not to provide information, but to discredit the poster of the information and the site on which it was posted. If this is the case, such behavior is, presumably, against the terms and conditions of any reasonable forum.I have been informed that the person who copied this information has regrettably been removed from the FB group for questioning the authenticity of information promulgated by a member of the group and calling into question his/her integrity. This is unacceptable behavior  and I  would urge the administrators of this group to deal with the matter accordingly in order to ensure a return to relative harmony. As someone who does not usually get involved in this forum, I find this matter rather distasteful. It is hardly surprising that this and other forums are not attracting members if this is an indication of the nature of forum conversation.    

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neilandnat, you seem to be expending great deal of effort to try to bring discord to this forum. If that is your only purpose for being a member here,  please desist. I had hoped that we were now free of such behaviour.

You have now sought to besmirch the excellent reputation of a valued member here, which is totally unacceptable and contrary to the forum’s Terms of Service.

You have a very peculiar understanding of ‘Season of Goodwill’

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quote:"......
The result is now a somewhat unfortunate disagreement, which leads me to suspect the original intention was not to provide information, but to discredit the poster of the information and the site on which it was posted
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Are you serious Question I know the person who started this thread and a more agreeable, inoffensive person would be difficult to come by.

You say you find this matter "rather distasteful". If I were to feel that way about something, I would go elsewhere.

Neilandnat, I hope you have a joyous Christmas, full of fun and good cheer.  Smile

Steve. CM1 and NR12

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”I have been informed that the person who copied this information has regrettably been removed from the FB group for questioning the authenticity of information promulgated by a member of the group and calling into question his/her integrity.”

So now we have an anonymous member of this forum repeating something from an unattributed source alleging that some undisclosed conduct has lead to the unsubstantiated allegation that said member (who is personally known to many of us) has been excluded from a closed FB group, which is obviously run by a control freak. It’s not a BA offshoot, is it?

Hang on a moment, the grandkids have now finished in the bathroom, Must go, or I’ll lose my turn. Ain’t family Christmases fun!

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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As the OP, I find it strange how, when endeavouring  to promulgate information - with the best of intentions - for the benefit of the wider community of Broads users, there are some who seek to place an oblique interpretation on that intent.

None-the-less, I thank you for your erstwhile contributions, neilandnat, and as ‘tis the season of goodwill, wish you a Merry Christmas Smile .

Steve.

Steve & Maggie

Not quite an ancient mariner ...... though some say he was at sea before Pontius was a pilate !

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Quite by chance, while reading another forum (not Broads related), I came across the following current post:

”If you have sufficient motivation to start a new forum it would surely be because you wanted to participate in it. Then you have a scenario where someone is a keen participant in the forum and also has supreme power to do whatever they wish with theirs and other's posts. On the balance of probabilities I cant see this turning out too well. Of course this is what happens on those horrid facebook closed groups and the result is that you become surrounded by a group of groupthink sycophants just patting each other on the back.. Which is not my idea of a healthy forum.”

Which is why I don’t join closed groups.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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Mercator, pm sent

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