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TerryTibbs
Jan-25-2022 @ 4:52 PM                           Permalink
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At the cost of appearing rude, the costs should be included in the price of the products you sell if not then you should charge an entry fee to the pub, after all it costs you money in rent/finance, rates, wages, repairs etc funnily enough exactly the same type of costs you feel you must recover from the moorings as a direct charge.

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thank you all for the feedback so far and i can clarify a few points

1.insurance has jumped up across the board due to covid payouts affecting premiums it seems
2. the pub owner owns the mill side but we rent it separately to the pub as it is classed as a seperate entity, the rent is minimal but covers the insurance, business rates and upkeep
3. if we give up the farmers side it will go to private moorings all year around
4. probably around 60% of our trade moors up in the dyke so the possibility of losing half of it isnt ideal

options i have thought about would be to continue to charge £5 but start charging for daytimes also ie 10am-5pm and then 5pm-10am which as far as i know has never been done ( do any other moorings charge like this?)

looking into ways to reduce the labour cost by automating the collection process via QR codes or phone pay systems on the bank (like a car park)

a flat £8 fee for all over night moorings up from £5

keeping the £5 but increasing food and drink pricing (inclined not to do this as already the cost price of pretty much everything has jumped up or will jump up in march so price increases will be necessary anyway)

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
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I think the income you would get from day time mooring fees would be minimal and you would lose lunchtime trade .

Of your current proposed options I would vote for mooring status quo and increased pub prices .

Good luck

Graham

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This is how I would view it.

Really rough (back of a beermat) maths shows:
Current mooring recovery £14,500 per year
Current charge £5 per boat
Therefore roughly 3,000 boat visits per year.
(seems a lot but it is only rough maths)

Current cost of moorings £25,000 + £3000 = £28,500 per year.

To recover £28,500 after tax needs £35,625 income.
£35,625 income needs 3,000 boats to pay £11.87

Even if you continue to charge £5 for the mooring, you are still £5 short.

So to charge £10 for a mooring  would be an easy and clean way to account for and pay for the moorings.

If you want to give free moorings then the challenge is how are you going to recover this £10ish per boat party cost.

Edited to add:
IMHO this mooring cost is too significant a cost to be dumped/apportioned/allocated into overheads, as would complimentary crisps behind the bar. The recovery of this cost has to be specifically accounted for.

Any errors or false assumptions then please disregard this.

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BA charge for daytime at Great Yarmouth (Fairly busy) & Norwich (less busy except a peak bookings times)but they are staffed daytimes https://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/boating/facilities/yacht-stations

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Talking of daytime mooring charges, don’t Salhouse Broad and Island have daytime as well as overnight charges?

Edited to add:
Short stay (less than one hour) - £2
Daytime (one hour + upto 6pm) - £5
Overnight - £10

If you don’t see a ranger you can pay online!

With kind regards

Jim

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By way of comparison, what would you pay to moor a 13m boat outside of the Norfolk Broads per 24 Hrs.:

Lowestoft Harbour   £39
Southwold Harbour   £39
St. Katherine's Dock, London  £122



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Tidal harbours are absolutely no comparison to a thurne mooring.

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Hi Rick, once again thanks for engaging with the forum and taking the time to explain your situation, I am sure many have found it interesting and hopefully have provided you with some useful input.

My own take on this is that given the physical nature of these moorings with no obligation to use the pub previous threads on traditional pub moorings are mostly irrelevant.

While these moorings are important to the pub as a source of custom there will always be some who do not use the pub so I would suggest that the moorings need to be treated as a stand alone facility, this obviously means that they need to be self supporting so a charge that breaks even or shows a small profit would be fully justified and £8 to £10 dosn`t sound unreasonable given the going rate elsewhere, as Bluebell says some other moorings also make a daytime charge but I am not sure if the return here would justify the labour costs.

I agree with marshman that these moorings are an important facility that need to be retained as such so wish you well in your endeavours.

          Brian

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If you are happy with £8 flat rate then go with that as it sounds a lot less than £10 ( the old £0.99 trick).

Daytime fees would be expensive to collect, Salhouse only does it because the wardens are on site all day.

Its a country car park in reality and we all happily (well some) pay for those.

Everyone still goes to Womack indeed would struggle to think of seeing empty moorings where similar fees are charged.

And thats a yorkshire man agreeing to pay more !

Andy

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