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Marshman
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The danger if you give up the lease is that they will be turned over to private moorings and that will further reduce the availability of public moorings generally.

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Many thanks to PubMan for engaging and explaining his situation.  It is clearly not easy running a pub for anyone at the moment, and the complications of the moorings just add to the whole complexity.

I am not being sceptical of his figures, but am surprised at the increases he says he is expecting.  For rent (currently £18k) to go up by £1.5/2k would be a 10% increase  -  that's a lot.  For insurance to go up by £500 from £3k is pretty extortionate.

The figures he gives appear to show that the actual income from the moorings is less than the direct costs, but that is not completely unreasonable if a significant part of his pub trade comes from people mooring there.  A parallel would be a country pub with a large car park, it will have some maintenance costs (a few pub car parks even need a paid parking steward to assist people to find spaces), but those costs are more than offset by the trade the car-bourne customers bring.

To suggest giving up the lease/rental of the moorings would be very risky.  An operator who was only interested in getting revenue and no hassle would be much more likely to let them as long-term rather than overnight moorings, so the dyke would be full of private boats sitting there, with no space (or much reduced space) for visitors to moor and spend money in the pub.

I don't like paying any 'extras' for anything, so would be likely to support the concept of a £10 deposit against a food order.  (So someoene couldn't get their money back by just buying a round of drinks).  Maybe pay £10 for the mooring and get £5 back on food?  This would obviously mean that the total costs of running the pub, paying for the ingredients, paying the staff AND paying the mooring costs would need to be reflected in the prices charged for food & drink.   I don't know what proportion of the customers at The Lion arrive by boat, if it's 90% then that wouldn't be too unreasonable to say that mostly boaters pay for the moorings as part of thier bill.  If it's only 50%, then it would look a bit unfair on those who arrive by land.

Just a few thoughts  -  if it were easy, the solution wouldn't be so elusive.

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Rick hi, firstly, you’ve done a great job with the new Lion vibe. Couple of thoughts in addition to those already stated. I must have moored there 3-4 times this year, and I know I forgot to pay once maybe twice, as I missed the person coming around, suggest you ask the staff to politely ask the customers if they have paid, I would have been reminded and pay no problem(I owe you £5 ). Also it’s reasonable to increase it a bit, to say 6.50. Also have a card machine to swipe a card on the bank would also help, I don’t have cash sometimes… good luck and see you in the summer


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I'd also like the thank Rick for being very open on this matter
I am also appalled that despite the signs saying £5 to moor,  not only do some people refuse but get aggressive with someone just trying to collect!
I'm sure when Rick opened this discussion a couple of years back, he said that he had to lease the farmers moorings or else they would be lost to private moorings!
It would be a disaster if the other side was lost as well, that would mean no trade for The Lion from boaters,
I hire once or twice a year and don't get hung up by £5 - £10 mooring charges, if I paid that every night (I don't) it would still be a fraction of my bar and food bill!
So long winded but if I pay a tenner every time i visit it would be worth it to have the option of visiting a great pub

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Jan-25-2022 @ 1:44 PM                           Permalink
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Private moorings, well thats one that I had overlooked, lucky we have members on here each with a different outlook.
Puts a different perspective on the issue now.

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For years there were beautiful moorings at Coltishall on the big bend which were originally moorings for the old Anchor pub. When the pub shut down, a long time ago, the moorings remained until the house (ex pub) changed hands and now what was one of the better moorings on the Broads became full of private boats.
Don't let that happen at Thurne - somehow they must remain open and to me, the only way is to charge. Sadly I suspect a fiver will not be enough????

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I believe the pub owns the side by the mill it’s only the other side her rents from the farmer (correct me if I’m wrong). So there would still be moorings available  

In a nutshell
The Moore the merrier.

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I'm aware the far side belongs to the farmer, but always thought the main side was leased by the pub.  That may have been an assumption on my part , reached because the moorings don't appear to form part of the land attached to the pub, and because there is a road ( private I think) between the pub and the moorings  which gives access to the cottages and then to Staithe House ( think that's what it's called !)

Somewhere in the back of my head I thought it was perhaps a parish staithe which the pub leased. But who knows !? Rick will be along shortly to put us right I'm sure.

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I believe the pub owns the side by the mill it’s only the other side her rents from the farmer (correct me if I’m wrong). So there would still be moorings available  Text

Not if as was suggest earlier he lets someone else deal with the moorings both sides, it will become a private dyke and The Lion would be lost to visiting boats!

That can't happen, so he must charge what he believes to be reasonable and take the flak from those who believe he is'ripping them off'

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Just a thought, as the BA moorings at Boundary Farm were lost a few years ago, could the BA take a lease on Thurne Dyke and then we’d have a similar mooring to Neatishead…

With kind regards

Jim

was  Bluebell now Chiltern Lady (an Aquafibre Opal built by Fineway Cruisers Hoveton)

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