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Karen my mistake as I now see in Phase 1 there was no time limit on your exercise as long as you only left the house once a day to do it.  My sentiment is that three hours is excessive and unnecessary, each to there own.

If 2/3rds of all households were ignoring the rules across the country the spread would be out of control.  On a further note I see some evidence of this around me but nowhere near the majority you talk about.

People queuing outside pubs to get a drink in the South of England?  Where is the evidence that this has been reported and has been an issue?  I find your one size fits all comments about pubs supplying alcohol to drink in a public place and queues of drunken punters waiting for their next beer to be a misrepresentation of a trade on its knees and trying its best to raise income to pay a few bills.



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The pub that Karen is referring to is The Lion Thurne. They had said they will be open for food and drink takeaway only. There is no suggestion of using their beer garden to consume the food and drink. They have also said enjoy your takeaway by the river or the local park (safely socially distancing). They have also previously suggested that people buy a takeaway and consume it on board their boat whilst moored for free at the pubs moorings down the dyke. Many pubs have in the past sold beer in take out containers for you to take home or enjoy on your boat, so nothing new there really. It's worth noting that the opening hours are 11-7pm which is very conducive to boaters turning up and taking advantage of the takeaway and leaving to return to their mooring and returning home. Opening to say 11pm would definitely have encouraged boaters to over do it and then stay on the mooring for the night.

The other pub referred to on this thread is The Rising Sun Coltishall which is next to a very large common and again long moorings which people could use during the day.

I've had an email from Morrisons to say that they are reopening their deli counters and other counters that were temporarily closed during the early stages of the pandemic whilst they concentrated on trying to keep up with demand and restocking shelves etc. I don't know the situation with Roys at Hoveton and whether their food counters are open.

However can anyone explain to me the difference between the pub offerings, and me going to Morrisons or Roys and buying lots of ready to eat food from the deli counter and maybe a bottle of wine or a four pack of beer, cider or lager and driving to Thurne Dyke and sitting by the river, or driving to Coltishall Common and sitting on the common and having a picnic. For the sake of clarity lets assume we are a household group with at least one in the party drinking soft drinks and therefore not drink driving.

Edited to add: That if using the pub moorings down the dyke due to social distance rules you are only allowed to moor side on. No stern mooring allowed!

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I don't see that as a problem Steve, just interested to know what's allowed and what isn't, and what might have an impact on other issues in these difficult times. I also agree we have to start opening up the country in small steps. Also fed up that so much is left to the public to be sensible, when, as another member mentioned recently in another thread, common sense is often in short supply.

To all - I've applauded businesses who have worked within the rules to provide a permitted service,  as well as challenge things I feel are questionable, from all angles.

It's all new to us and lots to debate when stuck at home feeling just a tad stir crazy by now. Even a food shopping trip is still stressful!

Take care all, Karen

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Forresters , thanks for your further comment. I was pretty much housebound ( bar car trips as a passenger ) over a 12 week period not long before lockdown. I hadn't even been managing to walk fully around the supermarket   but was beginning to recover after a couple of ups and down. This was due to an Achilles tendon problem. So for the first weeks of lockdown I was taking a very short walk each evening as part of the recovery process to build up some strength slowly. We are otherwise keen walkers. I'm pleased to say we built up over the last few weeks to being able to do a short walk one day, and a longer one the next, with the longer one taking up to three hours due to pace. If we see any other walkers ( mostly open country) heading our way, everyone  is pretty much taking great care to step into an opening or amongst the trees, till the others have passed by at a safe distance.

I am delighted to get some good areobic exercise and try to be reasonably healthy during this awful time.

Karen

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Forresters - pubs are not the only businessss suffering, and here at our house we don't know the certainty of our future income and our employers futures.

I posed a genuine question relative to this forum and what I saw was happening in Norfolk on The Broads, and asking what fellow members thought.

Keith I never suggested the pub was using the beer garden for consumption of food or drink, it was the go and drink and eat in adjacent public places that bothered me, and whether that was ok for a pub to send you off the premises with a pint.  

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Thanks for the response Karen, glad to hear you are on the road and recovering.

Overall I don't have any issues with the two pubs mentioned except to say suggesting that you consume your alcohol by the river or in the park is wrong.

We live in a nice little town on the edge of an AOB so lots of lovely places to take a picnic.  When selling off license in normal times we advise customers that it can't be consumed on the street on the way home.  Customers are not allowed to take a drink out the front of the pub as it is on the public highway.  I can't see it being right that pubs should be allowed to encourage drinking in public places

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Thank you, Forresters I am so pleased to be mobile again. Just bad timing on my part eh?

I agree that the encouragement of drinking in public places is the concerning aspect. Seems a tad irresponsible !

As for our neighbours, perhaps we are just unfortunate but the lack of conformity does worry me!

Stay safe all, Karen

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Hi Forresters,
It's not the pubs anyone has a problem with. I for one think it's great if smart thinking publicans can work around the limitations of the lockdown - not easy - even with the recent easing. It's the people whose approach to social distancing gets more and more lackadaisical as time goes on - their actions are what we'll all end up paying for with a second spike. I just googled - and there's loads of examples from articles just a day or so old. I would happily support pubs who employed a strict code of practice and policed it themselves. So, for example if people didn't show the proper approach to distancing (say while queuing) then the pub should not serve them.

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Not easy for people who are conforming to the rules to put up with - but as always it's the thoughless few who'll spoil it for the many. Frown

Cheers all
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I'm off out for a walk!!  Will check in again later.

Thanks Loughrigg, will look later.  We decided against serving off license through our front window during the first weekend of lockdown because we could neither control distancing nor stop consumtion outside the pub without a lot of hassle

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Karen, I wasn't suggesting that you had said the pub was allowing the beer garden to be used, but was clarifying after Foresters posted, "Responding to your post if there is a pub inviting you to use their beer garden to consume food and drink bought from the pub then this is a clear infringement of the lockdown rules."

Forresters, It is also worth pointing out that The Rising Sun was initially only advertising hot and cold drinks. There was no mention of alcohol. Today they have added that you can buy a bottled alcoholic beverage to sip alongside your chips, adding that you will need to bring a bottle opener.

Several things to note there. Presumably not removing the cap means it has been sold for take out and down to you where you consume it. Buy "a" would suggest one rather than several and suggesting the consumption with chips would suggest responsible drinking. Unless Coltishall Common is protected by a PSPO Public Space Protection Order, then any one over 18 can drink alcohol on the common and I would suggest that it is frequently done as part of a picnic on the common in normal times. The pub is providing a bin outside the pub and ask that people use it, or take their rubbish home. Lastly there is a Mace around the corner from The Rising Sun, so nothing stops anyone from buying their fish and chips from the pub and walking around the corner and picking a four pack, or a bottle from the chilled cabinet and taking it to the common with their food to drink it.

I might suggest in these troubled times that making partial references to posts or adverts made by premises and not identifying them leads to a bit of a guessing game with people searching and in some cases finding the wrong pub and therefore like has happened on this thread two business being discussed in some confusion. Being able to identify the business being talked about, and see the full posts or adverts they have made on the subject helps to clarify a lot of questions.

The fact that many supermarkets, off licenses and even petrol stations sell alcohol from a chilled fridge would suggest they are not all expecting you to take it home and only drink it at home. If that were the case they would sell it at room temperature and let you chill it at home.

Personally I don't see that these two pubs are doing anything wrong. Lets give these pubs a break in what are very difficult times.

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