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BELLA
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I know we have at least one pub owner/Licensee amongst us.
If I buy a pub with a nice big garden I can sell my alcohol and food inside and then my customers can decide whether to consume it inside or in the garden.
1. Is the garden part of the licensed premises?
2. If I lock my pub doors can I serve alcohol and food through a serving hatch therefore making it a takeaway and would customers then be able to consume their food and drink in the garden?



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Well, for a start off,  shoppers are doing exactly that - shopping, i.e. stuff to take home, or possibly a sarnie in the car for a busy worker. Quite different to a pub selling a pint  and meals to  be eaten and drunk in the vicinity such as the adjacent river bank or a local park. I think those are the aspects which make it quite different, and raise concerns.

I was aware that during the current restrictions, anywhere providing food could offer a takeaway service, such as cafes etc, but I didn't know a pub could sell you a pint at anytime and suggest you sat and drank it in adjacent public places - so that's an interesting one for me.

As as said, I can see that businesses need to adapt, but I don't support any bending of rules at the moment, if that's what's happening at some pubs. I honestly fear another wave if we don't respect the measures. We live in a small village, and just in our little enclave of 5 houses ( us excluded!) this is what's been going on :

- young chap ( not working) with wife and 3 kids going out in his car numerous times each day right from 23 March
- family other side having grandparents from both sides visit , together, throughout phase 1
- then both teenage children have had friends in the house during phase 2, and adult friends have also been in the house during this time, plus just a few days ago the woman's father and sister were brought by the husband and they stayed for hours before he took them both home late in the evening.
- couple opposite (50's , fit )  have had their daughter visiting the house during phase 1 and then both her and the granddaughter aged about 5 during phase 2.
- chap who rents the last house in here as a second "home" for working away up here in Yorkshire ( business in South West) , travelling here in various company vehicles and staying for 3 or 4 days at a time, since 23 March

I noticed these things when I've been building a new border in our front garden and everyone has to walk or drive past in an enclosed old farmyard entrance, but we have been walking for 3 hours a day so goodness knows what else has been going on!

So that's 4 out of 5 houses breaking the rules on a regular basis, so if this is typical elsewhere in the country, this virus is not going to disappear anytime soon. The majority following the rules is not enough! We have worked from home, left the house once a day on foot to take a walk ( often combined with getting to nearest village for butcher and baker etc) , driven to the supermarket late in the day for shopping when we couldn't get a delivery. Finally when restrictions were eased, we have been able to drive up to 5 miles and take a different long walk , yet on one of those occasions the police were having to evict a large group of teenagers from  a public footpath by a reservoir where they had taken coolboxes full of beer, and a ghetto blaster etc and were having a loud party. A lovely mix of numerous households sharing spliffs and cans then going home to possibly spread the virus to others.

Karen

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There isn't a difference to a pub supplying food and drink for consumption off the premises compared to a supermarket or takeaway.  

The suggestion here is that the unknown pub is said to be encouraging consumption by the river or local park and by staying open for extended hours is said to be encouraging repeat visits, inferring drunkenness and antisocial behaviour.

The only criticism I can concur with is the unknown pub openly encouraging drinking in a public place, alongside eating.  The Police should discourage the pub and clamp down on drinking in the public places.

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Bella said

"I know we have at least one pub owner/Licensee amongst us.
If I buy a pub with a nice big garden I can sell my alcohol and food inside and then my customers can decide whether to consume it inside or in the garden.
1. Is the garden part of the licensed premises?
2. If I lock my pub doors can I serve alcohol and food through a serving hatch therefore making it a takeaway and would customers then be able to consume their food and drink in the garden? "

Guilty as we have our own pub.  On the first point the garden is part of the licensed premises, if not then you can't allow alcohol to be consumed there.  Much the same as if you served it to takeaway through the front window and it was consumed on the adjacent pavement.

I think the above also covers the second point, definitely not.  We are asked to consider whether there are any areas of our premises we can set up as temporary outdoor customer areas, such as car parks.  If so then we have to apply for a change to our Premises License so we wish to use them as such after restrictions have been lifted.

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I'm afraid that's how it is Karen, it's been a poorly enforced affair.
Now we are being lead to believe that tourists and visitors are going to self isolate for 2 weeks, Yeah right!!
We can't enforce regulations within our own population

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Forresters, thanks for your reply, I wonder how this secret pubs going to do it then?



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Bella

I have had a conflab with the Mrs and she can only recall seeing one post on a Facebook group by a pub adjacent to a riverside common which remotely fits the bill of this post.

I have seen this pub's post and there is no mention of collecting from their beer garden.  They talk of collecting from inside on a one way trip through the pub.

The pub's post does suggest consumption at the riverside which is wrong in my opinion as it encourages drinking in a public place.  However on the subject of supermarkets, you can buy anything you wish in any quantity for your picnic.  The supermarket are licensed in the same way as public houses and are not under any obligation to check where you will consume your picnic.

I'd suggest Karen your village is not typical of the UK population at large and dare I suggest you should add yourself to those ignoring or flouting the rules if your daily three mile walks happened in Phase 1

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I gather this is happening at other pubs around the country so I guess it's somehow permissable,  but in my view I can't support it A) for the way it encourages a breakdown of the social distancing - seen numerous photos now in news items where people are queuing for a beer (south coast) and there's no social distancing ( all too excited about a pint I guess?!) , and B) the drinking in public places. Whilst pubs are to remain closed then I think that's how it should be, other than takeaway food to be consumed at home.  Crikey some folk get anti or are quite blasé , when in the supermarkets, so with a beer or two inside them, it's a recipe for disaster during this difficult time. In my view.

Karen

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Ok, to answer a few points:

The pub I was referring to is not adjacent to a common. It was not in a Facebook group as I am not part of any.

Our once a day walks started within the village as our only trip out of the house for daily exercise as permitted. We have only ever left the house for the permitted reasons during phase 1 or phase 2 so I am not sure what you are suggesting ?

How does anyone know what's going on elsewhere to assert  for sure that what we have witnessed here is not typical of any other village ?!

Karen

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our working mans club ,has been selling ales from the cellar store room ,for a good few weeks now , but take away to take home , 3 days week , also the sea food man who comes into the club fri to sun ,comes along the same time during the opening times 2pm to 4pm to sell sea food ,has helped some money to keep coming into the  club ,

steve and vicky
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