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A well known waterside ( almost) pub is  "reopening" this bank holiday weekend with a takeaway service for food and drink. Apparently pre-ordered I believe, , customers then collect the food and drink from socially distanced tables in their new beer garden. They even suggest that after collecting your food and drink, you go and " enjoy it by the river or the local park".

Now, I have my views on this, and I've read the numerous Facebook comments from delighted fans who seem ready and  willing to flock there, but before I give my views and get slated as a result I have twken the easy option of posting the story here like something from the EDP, with the box for comments below.

Having recently been accused of supporting racism on this forum (totally unfounded ) particularly towards a certain group of people known by a form of winter precipitation (!) you may understand why I am (albeit rather unusually )reluctant to dive in immediately and say anything that might somehow put me in hot water. However, I reserve the right to comment further later, as really that's what the forum is for - expressing opinions !

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Highly questionable.

I can see one post from a riverside pub but no mention of using their beer garden so there may be more than one.

Responding to your post if there is a pub inviting you to use their beer garden to consume food and drink bought from the pub then this is a clear infringement of the lockdown rules.

The post I have seen states "From 10am you can come to us for your hot & cold drinks, crisps and nuts, then at midday our kitchen will be frying fish, chips and sausages - all for you to enjoy while relaxing on the adjacent common and taking in the river views".  In this case I don't think it is any different to a fish and chip shop selling takeaway food obviously for consumption off the premises but not necessarily at home.  

I find the suggestion that you use the common to consume your purchase questionable.  There is nothing to stop you going back for more and before you know it you have a pub selling alcohol for consumption nearby.

I'm all for pubs doing what they can and many offer takeaway and deliveries but this is a step too far

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That pub is also advertising "BEDROOMS - While we are not encouraging travel we recognise that some businesses will need some staff to travel, therefore we are offering our rooms at £50.00 a night room only or £56.00 to include a breakfast basket."

Have the guidelines changed?

That isn't the only pub opening today, either.

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There are places open for accommodation but this is for Key Workers only.

I have some of my employees living away from home at present and staying in hotels but these places will not take a booking without a letter confirming that these are Key Workers

If this establishment is just taking bookings from anybody without this evidence then they are in the wrong.

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The pub concerned does state  that you must take your food and drink away after collecting it from the beer garden. But the river bank is very close by, and it's a small village.

I had a few thoughts :

Yes, businesses should be encouraged to find ways ( within rules ) to provide a service. I've applauded some supermarkets, local butcher, village baker etc for getting sorted early on,

But they were businesses allowed to open. Is a pub allowed to be open at all at the moment ?

Is it ok under licensing laws to send off beer wines and spirits to be drunk (at the pubs encouragement ) off the premises elsewhere in public?

And is it also right or fair on local residents ( yes some will want their pub somehow open, but not all) to do the above?

Being in a small village, with what must be limited adjacent public spaces, could this encourage group gatherings? Especially when the opening hours are for about 8 hours.

I honestly do understand things from the business owners perspective - we have close family in the hospitality business who are suffering and worried about the future - yet something feels not quite right about this to me.

Karen



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Sorry I'm none the wiser which pub is the subject here.  Can you enlighten us?

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there is a way around every law and rule and to be honest if it was my living then personally I would try every angle to protect my livelihood and feed my family...within the law of course

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There were people sitting drinking in the garden of the Bell at St. Olaves  yesterday as I drove past. (It did look inviting)

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Pubs have always been allowed to supply take-away food, but many chose not to. Whether it is a wise move is questionable, from the public health point of view. But I wonder what will happen to all the containers in which the food/drink will be supplied, given the dearth of litter bins around the Broads.

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What is the difference between the supermarket supplying alcohol and sandwiches/picnic items and a pub selling alcohol and food?

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