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The thing is Alan, things change. The farmer who owns one side of the dyke decided he would stop allowing short term moorings and rent the whole of his side out to annual renters, unless the pub wanted to rent the entire side for the whole season. Since the pub relies very heavily on visitors to the moorings both sides of the dyke the pub was very likely to become untenable unless the landlord agreed and paid an annual rental to the farmer for his side. That is an expense that the previous landlord never had to find.

The other thing that the previous landlord never had to find was the huge amount of money that has been spent putting right the years, no probably decade of neglect at the pub whilst he was landlord. Money needed to be spent putting right the extreme lack of maintenance on the side of the moorings the pub does own.  

It basically came down to a choice of the pub closing probably for good, or some serious investment from a new landlord who has seriously turned the pub around and made it a place worth visiting again.

So things change. Yes there is a mooring charge there, but at the same time all the mooring is still available to visitors, even if at a small price. The biggest improvement though is that the pub is still open, much improved and selling a better range of food and drink than previously.

I won't say to much about the previous landlord, other than to say, I much prefer the new one.  Cheers

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Apr-05-2019 @ 9:46 AM                           Permalink
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This shows the problem of "fake" reviews - they can do untold harm, often from people who have either never been to a place, or used a product.

Interestingly only today have Which magazine highlighted the fact that even people such as John Lewis can suffer, with some products being recommended by their "customers" as "Best Buys" which in turn are Which magazines "Don't Buys" !!!  I know who I would believe!!

Often reading reviews, it is quite clear they have been sent in by people who just accept money and never go near the product or place!!!! To me thats sad but to others a form of "living"!

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I think Keith's post has summed up the mooring cost question perfectly.

To put it into context, you could always moor at Salhouse broad, pay £10, walk 20 minutes to the Fur and Feather and still not get your money back. Given the high cost of renting and maintaining moorings, I would say a fiver is very reasonable.

Congratulations to Rick on the award!  Smile

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Absolutely spot on, what's wrong with paying a fiver for good moorings near a great pub with great food?
better that than losing half the moorings to private rental
Just caught up with this thread and I have 'skimmed a bit' but not sure what some of the posters criticising this pub must be on?
Back on the river early July, will certainly stop for lunch or dinner at some stage
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I must admit that the way you all put it, it does seem a little bit churlish not to pay the mooring fee as the new owner has upgraded and repaired the moorings.  Might see some of you there this summer.  Cheers Smile


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I wasn't sure where I sit with this one to be honest. Yes it's great that the pub remains open and has been rejuvenated. Yes the moorings were in need of attention too. BUT, I don't pay to park my car when I drive to the pub, even for a drink, and I don't get charged to go in Harrods even if I don't buy a single thing.

At the end of the day the business owner chose to take on a pub that needed a lot of work , and moorings ( for customers to access that pub) that were in desperate need of repair. He made a business decision that it was worth it, his choice. His business decisions are not for the customers to prop up, other than to choose to patronise the business which he felt could be successful. He speculated that if he provided nice surroundings then the customers would visit. That's what all business's do - they hope to make money by enticing customers through what's on offer.

I appreciate some folk may moor there and not use the pub, so I get the charge in the first place, but it should in my opinion be redeemable against food! When businesses have a refurb they don't add a separate cost  to the customer for the provision of nice seating. If they re-tarmac the parking area they don't send a chap out to charge you to park. They don't add a surcharge for the outdoor facilities or the flowers on the table. They might set their prices according to the level and standard of the business, but having seen the menu at The Lion I think the prices are about right for the type of pub surroundings on offer.

So, I feel customers make their choices  to support a business by using it, but I don't see why they should also pay extra to give it that custom in the first place. Sorry.

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Karen&Mike, if that's your honest opinion, why apologise for it. I happen to agree with you, even though I can understand why the charge is made, but refund with a main meal might encourage me to visit.

Having looked at their on-line sample menu, can anyone tell me what the difference is between their 'thick cut chips', 'handmade chips', and 'real chips'? These all appear with different mains. The only time I've been there only skin-on chips were available, so we didn't stay.

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I agree with you totally Karen, any mooring charge should be redmeamable against a minimum purchase, whether thats food or drink. Not a pub I would go to and one that I personally think is being built up beyond what it delivers. Marshy says that fake reviews can do a lot oh harm but reviews that build up expectations beyond reality are equally harmful but to the pocket of anyone who visits on the basis of them. It’s a vast improvement on what was on before but not, in my opinion, value for money. OK food at inflated prices and yes I have eaten there a couple of times.

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How can anyone describe a chip in all the different ways  that I have heard on this post. A chip surely is a potato cut into  chip shapes and deep fried until crisp and golden.  Anything else surely cannot be described as a chip.   There are fries and wedges but they are NOT chips as you would get in a fish and chip shop like Stalham fish and chip shop.  So why don't these places serve proper chips? I also take back my previous statement and agree with Karen & Mike, why should you pay for mooring when you are eating at the establishment. I don't pay to park my car at a pub.    The owner surely chose to take on the pub knowing it needed upgrading, so why charge the punters. After all  the profit on food is enormous as my wife, who was in the industry for many years can testify to.       Confused

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