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Apr-07-2018 @ 11:55 PM                           Permalink
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Things in general seem to be a good deal cheaper in the north. So it does not surprise me that I pay more for my beer in Norfolk than Yorkshire.
In London you can get really good value beer on some side street pubs and pay a fortune from a neighbouring pub on the High street. And they can be just yards apart.

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I have given up using the Broads pubs. I keep a supply of beer on board and I am a fairly accomplished cook on two burners and a grill not to mention the bbq.

Its good to find a nice quiet mooring, get the fishing rod out and reach for a couple of tinnies.

Beer prices everywhere have become too silly and I am of the opinion that if Tim Martin can serve reasonable beer and food at reasonable prices so can the rest of the greedy pub chains. Wetherspoons still have to pay business rates and pay the staff and maintain the buildings and he has to pay the shareholders their cut, exactly as the rest of the pub chains.

No wonder pubs are closing, the pub chains are pricing them out of business. There is only so much money in the average working man's pocket to spend on beer. The affluent days of the past are over for the average man/woman. Perhaps some of the rich boat owners on the Broads can afford to pay, after all they have a disposable income to spend on a boat. However I did smile when I read that they were all squealing about the hike in licence fees.

Now you all know why I call myself Rebel. Tinhat  LOL

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So if Tim Martin is such an expert at selling beer and food at reasonable prices, why hasn't he saved any of the riverside pubs desperately in need of investment? Maybe his town centre locations with a huge catchment area drives volume of business, which in turn drives the price of his beer down, and in my honest opinion the quality of both beer and food is not that good anyway.

However why is any of this discussion about pub chains taking place on a thread relating to The Lion, which is owned by a small business consisting of two pubs which is doing its best to offer a good quality product, with a decent variety of beers and ciders.

I had a little chat with Rick the other day (good to meet you) who mentioned that in the parishes directly around The Lion there are 107 parishioners. So apart from the 20 odd weeks of tourist trade during the season there is very little other passing trade for the rest of the year.

Rick is doing lots at this pub and is very busy turning it around. That needs support and not inane crass comments, or wild vicious rumours about prices.

Both The Lion and The White Horse are good establishments and deserve supporting.


Just because The BA make a request, don't automatically assume they have the powers to make such requests!! Keeping a careful eye on an Authority which is making it's own rules.

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Very well said. Fully support local pubs in my area.

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Rates, wages etc????? City centre pub Sheffield the Brown Bear 2 minutes from the Crucible, Sam Smiths Old Brewery bitter £2.60 per pint.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.

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Most smaller Breweries get Duty relief from the Customs excise dependant on the volumes they produce, rather than being more expensive than mainline beers, craft beers and small batch real ales should be cheaper.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/excise-notice-226-beer-duty/excise-notice-226-beer-duty--2#small-brewery-beer

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that pub mentioned is a sam smiths pub and they historically are dirt cheap, i remember 2 years ago going in the one in peterborough and 5 pints came to less than £10. amazing! they make every product and generally dont serve food. even their pubs in london are that cheap.

the small brewers rate relief extends up to production of 5000hl a year which is the equivalent of 240 9g firkins a week. i can pretty much guarantee most small norfolk breweries get nowhere near that.
the resason most local breweries are more expensive again comes down to production not being high enough, rents of buildings being higher in the area and the main one often is costs in delivering the beer due to such a large geographical area most of them cover.
for example we pay around £14 a firkin in duty, ingredients cost £25 and then labour split over our 2 firkin brew comes in at £20 so my beer i make costs me £59 a firkin yet i can often buy some stuff at £52 from northern breweries.
our rent and utilities work out around £250-300 a day before any staffing costs or cost of sales. generally to wipe our nose we need to take 900 just to break even.
every pub is different with different costs, some have lower rent and higher beer costs. some do food and some do none. some employ loads of young staff (less wages & pension payments) some employ older staff.
i am always happy to answer any questions open and honestly

rick



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Very good points from Rick and kfurbank IMHO
You cannot compare pubs in the city with those on the Broads
A drink in a Broads pub is a very special experience
You can drink a can of Fosters anywhere

HB

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Any business that owns only 1 site (which I understand The White Horse was until it took over the Thurne) can claim 100% Business Rate relief so again costs are much less  than the equivalent “chain” pub.  No one under the age of 18 can serve alchohol so employing younger people doesn’t save any costs on wages or pension contributions.
You are right Rick that the Brown Bear is a Sam Smiths pub (hence the Old Brewery Bitter) but you are not right about most Sam Smiths pubs not serving food. Many of them do and the food costs are reasonable as well. You are also right that many of their pubs serve Beer even cheaper as low as £1,80 per pint. Yes they produce (almost all) of therir own production but their delivery costs are the same as everyone elses.
A brewery producing less than 5000 hectoliters per year pay 50% less duty than A brewery Producing over 60000 Hectolitres with a sliding scale between the 2 figures.

Dave


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Sam Smiths ....Yorkshire's largest independant brewery...has always prided itself as a brewer of good beer at a very competative price and all of it's pubs are managed houses. They have resisted all take over attempts and continue to provide good value for both food and drink. Some of their pubs may be too small to run a food operation but they are in a minority, e.g. the Brown Bear in Sheffield which has very limited manager's accomodation. I was a regular at the BB in the late sixties/early seventies when Ron and May managed what was a lively,friendly,eclectic mix of humanity which included market trader Harry Benn, bookie Joe Mooney jnr, and Councillor Irvine Patnik. Happy days.

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