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Cap'nBernie
Mar-22-2009 @ 8:37 AM                           Permalink
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After 3 years away, i appear to be returning to a publess broads, ok recession etc etc, but then we are told more people are holidaying in the uk this year, brewries take note.
Some enterprising brewery can surely see this, and the possible revenue that could be earned, dont need Gastro pubs, just plain n simple ale and food with some area for children.
As for the no smoking in pubs, surley smokers can suffer outside and smoke, rather than stay away from their local protest to government not against the landlords, or is this just an excuse offrered.
Sorry but i feel to much being made of this no smoking thing.
Any way will still enjoy holiday

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It looks like we might have lost six riverside pubs this winter! There are some excellent pubs around still. Last time I went into the Waveney at Oulton Broad was when a short rrrrrrrrrr, loud mouthed capital city cast-off moved in. After a year he was complaining that the locals weren't supporting him, after two years he left, publically blaming everyone but himself. Now the pub is once again a popular watering hole, the food is quite superb, and I really do mean that. No Aunt Bessy's Yorkshire puddings or heated up custard, all fresh stuff as you would expect in a top restaurant, brilliant, and the prices are good. Moral of the story, put the right landlord in and a pub can florish!  

Jenny Morgan,
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Mar-22-2009 @ 11:52 AM                           Permalink
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I agree completely, it's the landlord and staff that make a pub.

Too many people think that running a pub is an easy job, and in area's such as The Broads think they are going to make a "killing". In years gone past I worked in pubs and clubs, and helped my parents run a club for 10 years.  It's b****y hard work.

A good landlord should cultivate their local trade first, the local community is all important as they are the ones that are your bread & butter supporting you when the tourists aren't there.  Serve good portions of food at reasonable cost, have a smile, and a cheery word for everyone who comes in, (even when you don't feel like it), and above all have a good "cellar", at the most reasonable prices possible, if the beer's bad and expensive you can't expect people to keep coming back.  By the way I think charging the same for a pint squash as a pint of beer is scandalous, and a real rip off for families.

Tourist trade in season is the jam on top, and shouldn't be taken for granted.

Let's hope we get some decent landlords taking interest and having the backing to take up some of the lovely pubs that are currently closed.


Sharon & Tony

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Totally agree with JM on this one but one factor that is deffinately killing the pub trade in this country and not just on the broads is the faceless money men that hold the lease to these establishments. It has been well documented on here as to thr plight of one of the broads pubs and the costs involved are quite prohibitive thus making what should be a thriving pub a virtual none starter. Punches taverns are advertising the lease for this pub on their website and i for one cant see anyone in their right mind even thinking about taking it on, not with the figures that they are quoting. Anyone taking on a pub like this are not going to flog themselves to death plus all the worry of whether you are going to make it through to next year just to scrape a basic standard of living. Whether you like it or not people do expect to make some money out of a venture like this otherwise what is the point in putting your hard earned money up front to start with. The playing field needs to be leveled out a bit so the people who want to work hard and succeed in this industry can do the only place the money is going at the moment is into the faceless mans pocket.  

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All i can say is, look at wetherspoons for example,
here in Southampton they can offer beers for under £2.50, compared to other pubs that are charging £3+
for the same pint, so if wetherspoons can run pubs and survive why cant other pub chains, or is it down to pure greed on the breweries part.
It is the landlord and his team of staff who make a pub, so its time for breweries to go back to basics, and to consider the people who line their pockets.........................US!, and the landlords and landladys who try to make our visits enjoyable

bernie

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Often, the little landlord is utterly tied to buying beer at prices that make it impossible for him to offer it a reasonable/competitive price.

I agree with most of whats been posted so far, but please also remember that there are good landlords/ladies who have worked hard but in the end had to walk away. As Geejay said, a well documented story on here about a pub at one particular popular stopping point, as well as the briefer story of the Cross Keys at Dilham. Both cases of hard working people being forced out by impossible financial restraints. The Ferry I think has fallen foul of a number of things(don't know the full story there).

As for the smokers - I am not one myself but I do not believe that they are staying away in protest. At the end of the day, they are paying for the privilege of "suffering outside" as you put it Bernie, and have probably decided that in the winter especially, its just not worth it! If some laws came in about food being eaten outside only, or children only being allowed in beer gardens, do you not think that might put off a lot of people who would rather do their particular "thing" in comfort. (I am not suggesting that smoking v kids v food are equal problems btw, but everyone has their own needs/preferences for using the pub)

The Swan in Horning does well and even though it is pub chain food, we still frequent it and have had some good times there. They must have something right (perhaps its the accommodation too) as they always seem reasonably busy. We won't stay there these days because the chain doesn't offer cooked breakfasts, but I don't think they've missed our custom in that regard! We will be visiting this season as always - great for a lunchtime stop in particular.

The Ferry will be sad to see, and as the Maltsters is our "local" (to the boat) we will be particularly "lost" on a friday night when a welcome drink is what's needed after a long journey down. I was told by a South Walshm resident last week that the word in the village is that The Malsters may be open again by the Bank hols but I don't know anymore than that. Perhaps a manager will be going in, as per The Cross Keys, though I believe that some refit is needed first...

Lets hope we have plenty of sunshine this year to cheer us all up!

Karen


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Hello All.

I agree with Bernie's comments. This year in my travels on the Broads I am afraid that most of my beer will be bought at the off licences, apart from the supply that I will be bringing with me. I am retired and the credit crunch has hit my pocket somewhat! The thought of spending £3.10p in some of the pubs for a pint of Abbot (you know who you are) puts me right off.

Regards.

Alan.

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I quite agree with tiddler on the price of beer I think this is one major factor in people not going out to the pub. The only thing now is with the save our souls brigade trying to get the price put up to stop us killing ourselves the situation will only get worse. The faceless money men are the ones who need to get there fingers out a fair deal for the landlord means a fair deal for the punter.

I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

Comfortably numb

Gaz


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