Topic: weight distribution


aledsav1    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 4:06 PM
  I have basically a harvey eastwood 42 x 12 its actually 42.11 'broadminded' and I am wondering about internal layout and how much I have to consider where I put heavy items such as a washing machine etc.

standing at the stern looking to the bow:

Port= gas bottles/clothes storage cupboard/kitchen,fridge,washing machine,cooker/oildrip heater/tv

starboard = engine/batteries/bedroom/toilet-shower/dinning area/couch

So I gather the water tanks/waste are on the starboard, don't know where the diesel tank is.

Do I need to consider the layout in terms of weight to any minute degree?  I have just seen an almost identical boat with a full size washing machine on the starboard side and much less weighty items on the port side.

I hope I made some sense to someone, total novice learning as I go, and i am just starting so have not learnt anything yet!



alan

This message was edited by aledsav1 on Aug-23-21 @ 5:07 PM


annville    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 4:39 PM
  Hi Alan with weight distribution,  any fixed items can go any where ie cooker fridge tv heater battery's these can all be ballasted out, where you have non fixed weight ie fuel, waist tank, fresh water tank,  these need to be on the centro line or split in two but connected so as they are depleted they wont affect the trim from side to side, front to rear is not a problem as it wont be noticed,  my water tank is in the bows, when full it just lowers the air gap by two inches,what you dont want is as say the water tank is used the boat lays over on one side, and NO the waist and fresh dont cancel them selves out, If you need to balance the trim i fined road bricks/blocks work well, they are small so easy to man handle but dense and cheap and dont rust, another good thing to do is after you have striped the bilges out wash/clean them then give them a couple of coats of bilge paint or egg shell emulsion paint this will help to stop smells and osmosis occurring. John


aledsav1    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 4:57 PM
  Thanks again John that clears things up for me regarding placement of items, its not something I am doing immediately, but as and when its good to know I don't have to have a degree in it. And I will be taking a look at painting the bilges, currently there is a rather musty smell though it is in need of some cleaning and has been sitting empty a little while, also onw of the pumps stopped working so some water has been sitting stagnating a bit.

alan


annville    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 5:09 PM
  Hi Yes common problem some boats empty there shower into the bilges then rely on bilge pump to empty,bilge pumps cant get the last little bit out so!!!! plus not all bilges  have free flow to the pump,enjoy. Oh and talking of fridges it can help if you cut holes in the floor under the fridge to allow air circulation. John


ruby    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 5:27 PM
  I agree with John.
Also First priority is to get the bilge pumps working even before sorting the mooring. Boats have bilge pumps for a very good reason. It is not to pump out rainwater it is to stop the boat sinking . A broken bilge pump is like a smoke detector without a battery.

On weight distribution don't forget a normal person or two weighs far more than any domestic appliance and therefore bed location is a factor .However Broads boats have flat bottom s and are quite tolerant to weight differences.

I am not sure washing machine location is high up on most boaters to do list . Not because we are a dirty lot but because water storage shortages both fresh and waste occupies so much of our attention that a washing machine becomes a liability .

The most important planning issues apart from bilge and engine are  water storage and battery storage and charging capacity

It is most unlikely an elder Broads boat will have sufficient batteries or generating capabilities to meet modern requirements  .

Tell me to shut up if you know all this

Graham


aledsav1    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 5:43 PM
  SHUT UP...No you are spot on the boat is being lifted soon to have a anti foul and a condition report at the same time, so will have a good look over it, and have pumped the standing water out it was sitting where the prop shaft is so maybe the (i don't know what its called yet)  greaser device was just needed to be in use or the gasket needs some grease on it. But a new pump is going to be put in.

It has a washing machine though I would struggle getting a pair of jeans in it, so was just thinking of longer term.

Power might well be an issue, though have not tested it all out yet, it does have 1 solar panel on it that does give some charge to I think 4 storage batteries, obviously not capable of running to much at present but its an area that I will be looking into updating in the not to distant future

alan


ruby    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 6:29 PM
  Ok

Here goes.

Older boats with mains often have it installed as  an after thought and it is not integrated with the 12 volt system and inverter nor were they installed to any sort of quality or safety standard. As a result you have some mains sockets that work when connected to shore power and others that work off the inverter . These inverters tend to be underpowered as good inverters were very expensive until quite recently.(around £800 up to ten years ago ).

This type of system is guaranteed to be a nuisance and unreliable if you use the boat a lot and the answer is to design an integrated system .

This starts with uprating the alternator and fitting an intelligent control system and battery charger that automatically switches the sockets from shorepower to good quality inverter when you unplug the shorepower lead .

Batteries deserve a whole chapter to themselves. However  to start with one independent engine starter battery and three or four leisure batteries should be fine particularly if you have a solar panel of
100 watts plus.

Enjoy yourself

Graham


aledsav1    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 6:42 PM
  I am not entirely sure on the setup, I am assuming it is separate and as you say the 240 can only be used on shore power, the 1 solar panel is rigged up just to top the batteries up.

I will have to give this some serious study, but as I have said elsewhere I can pretty much turn my hand to anything, so some reading and youtube vids later I should be in a position to at least know what it entails.

1st though gotta find that B***** mooring Frown

alan


ruby    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 6:48 PM
  Absolutely, sorry to distract you  .

G


Karen&Mike    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 9:13 PM
  Ooh, if you are needing a washing machine I guess it's a fair assumption this is to be a liveaboard?

A residential mooring is very different to a leisure mooring, and requires the appropriate permission ( sought by the land owner) to classify it as such. Just relating this to your other thread about your mooring search.

Karen  


"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"

This message was edited by Karen&Mike on Aug-23-21 @ 10:15 PM


L'sBelles    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 10:00 PM
  Not sure the OP wants to live aboard, correct me if I am wrong , Alan, but his boat already has a washing machine fitted.
I would be tempted to remove that and free up some space if it isn't a liveaboard any longer.

Anyway, Alan, getting to know your new boat is all part of the fun. Lift up the seats, remove the backs of cupboards, open up the side panels, you'll be amazed at what you find! I was going to fit a Webasto only to find an Eberspacher hiding behind the wardrobe! In fact when we first got our boat I drew a diagram of it and marked on the location of the various pieces of equipment as I found them so in case of emergency or breakdowns I knew where to look for the offending item! Sad git or what? Of course, as you become more familiar with your pride and joy you'll remember where the bits are and since eventually you are going to refit you can put items where you like.

Good advice about the bilge pump though. When we first got our boat there was no shore power and the 12v batteries went flat between visits so although the bilge pump was trying to run the water was coming up through the floor; much more water on board and we could have sunk! Connection to the National Grid and a decent charger for the batteries sorted that.


L'sBelles    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 10:11 PM
  Oh forgot to add, Alan. Don't be in any rush to change things around or modify bulkheads etc. too quickly. Live with what you have for a while and determine what your requirements are. Are some bits in totally the wrong place? Are other items in the right place but not necessarily where you would have put them?
I made the mistake of jumping in with my power tools before we had even stayed on the boat and now regret not trialling what was there first. What I have done is ok but I can now see how it could have been better but I don't want to have wasted the time and money replacing the work I have already done!

You'll soon find out for yourself, there is always plenty of work to do on a boat!  Smile


Karen&Mike    -- Aug-23-2021 @ 10:54 PM
  Yes I did notice that LB but also that he was/would be thinking of fitting another (bigger one). I honestly don't know any leisure boater (Broads, not canals) who has a washing machine , and as the OP had posted up today about his problems in finding a mooring, I thought it possibly a relevant point to pick up on. If it's thought to be a liveaboard  (correct or not) then that in itself could well affect his chances.

Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


aledsav1    -- Aug-24-2021 @ 5:50 AM
  Karen you are not to far off in your assessment of LB, however that would be a longer term possibility?.

Don't even know if life on a boat is for us, we would be spending some time testing the waters.

But even initially I/we would be spending as much time as we could cleaning, painting and doing all the lesser work in order to get it in better shape and looking good, though my partner would be going to work most days, when we did stay over after a marathon day painting It would be best being as close to Hickling for her. I assume any mooring allows us to stay overnight as long as we are not permanently residing there?

So our initial priority is to find a mooring as we have very limited time in its current position, and as foolish as we were not looking into moorings in greater depth, we just did not think that a mooring was going to be such an issue, I called 20 yards/marinas etc yesterday and pretty much exhausted what I can find on the internet, today I was going to do a run around and enquire face to face however other things have cropped up so this will be delayed for a few days.

As for the washing machine there is a very small machine there at present which is in a space designed for a full size machine so it looks somewhat odd and actually is pretty pointless, and all layout Q's these are much longer term considerations, my only immediate to do list is the deck/roof minor repairs and painting and ensuring the essentials for safety are up to scratch.

Apologies for delayed reply, we are very early to bed, 8pm every night is the end of our day.

But have to say what a great site as have had so many valuable replies so thank you all.



alan


OldBerkshireBoy    -- Aug-24-2021 @ 9:50 AM
  Think I read that you dont know where the diesel tank is, well it will be close to where the outside filler cap is.
And I am another who regrets diving in with power tools and removing stuff rather than changing or altering in time rather than straight away so just take your time and remember bulkheads can be holding the roof up!

All help gratefully
received


This message was edited by OldBerkshireBoy on Aug-24-21 @ 10:54 AM


aledsav1    -- Aug-24-2021 @ 10:26 AM
  Haha, I didn't even know where the filler cap was (only seen the boat twice so far) so after looking at some photos of similar boats I now know.

Yes a couple of you guys have mentioned not rushing in so I will be taking my time.

alan


Marshman    -- Aug-24-2021 @ 10:39 AM
  And my suspicion too, is that you probably have next to no chance of getting through Potter Bridge up towards Hickling, except in exceptional circumstances!

Ex Pilot may come along and tell me I am wrong but its not especially the airdraft that would just be the issue but the beam.

Although Karen has mentioned the LB situation, they are mainly actively discouraged by the BA, and moorings where you can officially are a bit like hens teeth! Not sure how many there are in Broadland in total  - but they are limited to say the least!!!


aledsav1    -- Aug-24-2021 @ 11:19 AM
  Yes the more I hear the less I think that potter bridge is route I will ever consider.

And as for moorings, it is going to be a uphill slog just finding anything never mind long term if we eventually decide we'd like to LB

alan


L'sBelles    -- Aug-24-2021 @ 12:03 PM
  Karen wrote " I thought it possibly a relevant point to pick up on. If it's thought to be a liveaboard  (correct or not) then that in itself could well affect his chances."

Good point, Karen. I made the assumption that Alan mentioned washing machines because his new boat has one fitted perhaps being unaware that it is not common practice unless it is a liveaboard.

Still, we all know what happens when we make assumptions!  Smile


L'sBelles    -- Aug-24-2021 @ 12:13 PM
  Hey Alan, there's nothing wrong with navigating up to Potter Heigham to explore that area it's just that you'll have to moor on the Herbert Woods side and will not be able to reach Hickling unless....

Have you thought about a little tender?  Smile

Too much to take in I know. Sorry, sort out what you have first!



This message was edited by L'sBelles on Aug-24-21 @ 1:15 PM


aledsav1    -- Aug-24-2021 @ 1:21 PM
  something I will look into, I do have a blow up canoe Playful

alan


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