Topic: Carbon monoxide


newton7    -- Jun-12-2016 @ 4:55 AM
  Hi all
Im coming to the broads in September single handed on board crown gem for two weeks?? I'm slightly concerned about a carbon monoxide alarm and was wondering if one is already on board or i need to take my own....any ideas


ChrisHGB    -- Jun-12-2016 @ 6:54 AM
  I can't answer your question but why not buy a Kidde 7DCO online and then you have always got one. You can get them for about £16 if you shop about.
You can then holiday on a boat, a caravan, cottage and you have your own digital peace of mind.

Chris.

I have swallowed the anchor but
have not tried mud weight yet!


boat-mad    -- Jun-12-2016 @ 7:32 AM
  Hi Robert,

I am as sure as I can be that you will not have an alarm provided with the boat. You can find the one that Chris has suggested Here

Kind Regards
Alan...
www.mynorfolkbroadsboating.co.uk/


steve    -- Jun-12-2016 @ 8:12 AM
  Why not give Richardsons  a ring to see if one is onboard ,  

steve and vicky


newton7    -- Jun-12-2016 @ 10:35 AM
  I can confirm there is no detector so shall purchase one for peace of mind...many thanks

ROBBIE
STINKIES UNITED


Mercator    -- Jan-6-2017 @ 3:26 PM
  A timely reminder from a recently received RYA e-newsletter ....

http://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/e-newsletters/inbrief/Pages/think-youre-safe-from-the-silent-killer.aspx?utm_campaign=In+Brief+January+2017+-+Non+Member&utm_source=emailCampaign&utm_content=&utm_medium=email

Sound advice, and within that, it was always drummed into me there's no such thing as a false alarm. If an alarm is activated, it's been triggered by something - and that something requires investigation.

Steve.

Steve & Maggie.


Not quite an ancient mariner ..... though some say he was at sea before Pontius was a pilate !


rustic    -- Jan-6-2017 @ 4:10 PM
  Just be aware, you might hire a boat with no fuel burning appliances on board, no diesel heating or gas. You might think that you are safe, but moor next to another boat, say on a stern on mooring, and the fumes from the adjacent boat heater or engine exhaust could make it's way into your boat, via a poorly sealed window, a hull vent, or under a loose fitting canopy, made worse on a windless night.

Sleep well !  You might not wake up.

I still don't understand why CO monitors are not a requirement of the Boat Safety certificate, I have emailed them, and had no satisfactory reply.

I still don't understand why hire companies don't fit them as standard.
Not a legal requirement, but surely the hire companies " have a duty of care" for their customers.

Maybe we should start a campaign, before you make a hire booking, just before you give the credit card details,    "Oh does the boat have at least one CO alarm?"  NOOOO... oh dear, please cancel the booking, I don't want this to be my LAST holiday.

Hang on sir/madam,  for £20 we can fit one, if we do, will you continue with the booking?  

Sorted...  

Your life, and you only have one, is in their hands.

Not a bad idea to take your own CO alarm.
Take a smoke alarm too.
If there is gas on board, take a gas alarm as well.

I think I'll stay at home.


I wonder who will be the first hire company to feature CO alarms in their brochures and websites.

I'm not holding my breath...


best regards, Richard.

In my opinion, being on a boat is one of the most relaxing place to be.


This message was edited by rustic on Jan-6-17 @ 4:15 PM


Trevor    -- Jan-6-2017 @ 4:19 PM
  We had our Boat safety done this week all was fine. We were handed a booklet on CO'2 on boats from the examiner which is now on the boat. We have an alarm fitted.

Trevor & Deirdre


garryn    -- Jan-6-2017 @ 7:06 PM
  From April 2017 a new bss requirement for hire boats with overnight accommodation will be smoke alarms will need to be fitted. CO alarms will be required on boats with wood burning stoves which will be mainly narrow boats.

Garry


stevieboy    -- Jan-7-2017 @ 4:17 PM
  Hi everyone ..... I have recently booked a boat with Faircraft Lyones for a holiday this year. Due to the tragic news about CO poisoning deaths on boats that were in the news at that time I asked Norfolk Broads Direct if their boats were fitted with CO monitors.

Their reply was that it wasn't necessary due to the boats engine/equipment having annual safety checks.

I found this quite disconcerting and for peace of mind, and after speaking to my local fire department, I bought three. One for each of the cabins.

You may be thinking this is a bit over the top but as the fire officer said closed cabin doors at night can be a real risk and potentially lethal if carbon monoxide is present.

As Rustic said above it may not be your boat at fault it could be one moored nearby. Better to be safe than sorry.

I speak from personal experience as my sister and her boyfriend died this way in a house.




This message was edited by stevieboy on Jan-7-17 @ 5:00 PM


rustic    -- Jan-7-2017 @ 5:21 PM
  Stevieboy, thank you for responding to this thread, first of all my condolences for your loss, it must have been very difficult for you to write that last line, my heart goes out to you and your family.

I know the incident did not happen on a boat, but does highlight the issue of what can happen without some prior warning in place.

Personally I think the boatyards response is ignoring duty of care.

"Yes we test annually"... so if something goes wrong 6 weeks into the season, how many lives are put at risk.

Sorry I will not be booking with that company, or any others at this rate.

In fact I have all the latest brochures for 2017, we have moved our boat from the broads for health reasons, but I would like to book a family holiday on the Broads.

I would like to promote the installation of CO monitors in all boats, for goodness sake, not a great deal to spend in the whole scheme of things.

To do this needs more lobbying of the boatyards.
I wonder if there is something that is stopping the hire companies from installing them, would they be putting themselves at risk from liability, if one was fitted, and as a consequence, someone died of CO poisoning, maybe the insurance company wouldn't cover them.
It would be great to hear the views of the hire companies.

I think a few emails need to be sent, to test the water lol.
Richard



best regards, Richard.

In my opinion, being on a boat is one of the most relaxing place to be.


This message was edited by rustic on Jan-7-17 @ 6:48 PM


stevieboy    -- Jan-7-2017 @ 5:40 PM
  I have just found this which everyone using or owning a boat should be aware of

Boat Safety Scheme & CoGDEM

http://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/media/180329/co-safety-on-boats-2013-web-hkj.pdf


Hylander    -- Jan-8-2017 @ 7:18 AM
  Keep the boat well ventilated and dont be tempted to plug up every vent if the weather is not good.    We always sleep with a window open wherever we are.   We also hopefully never have to stern moor anywhere.   We also turn off the gas every night before bed.  We would also never double moor for fear of some Charlie putting the heating on next to you and their vent emitting fumes directly into your boat.

Simple precautions.   Been boating a long time.

Women dont nag they just
point
things out...



M


This message was edited by Hylander on Jan-8-17 @ 7:19 AM


andyravine    -- Jan-8-2017 @ 9:22 AM
  You can buy them really cheap on Amazon and Ebay with the right BSEN50291 not a lot of money for peace of mind and maybe your life .


JonC    -- Jan-8-2017 @ 10:05 PM
  Whats the rules like covering fire / smoke alarms on hirecraft, do they need periodic testing?

I work with CO and the detectors we have installed require testing every six months, we cant use the stuff you get in Argos. Wondered is this is the reason CO monitors are not provided.


hedgehog    -- Jan-9-2017 @ 8:16 AM
  Why do you want to buy " cheap " devices that may save your life.
Buy a good one which you can both see and hear if there is a problem.you don't get a second chance with carbon monoxide


Phil2017    -- Jan-9-2017 @ 7:34 PM
  I work for a boatyard that fitted CO alarms on all there cruisers at the start of 2016.  We had a number of problems with false alarms and after contacting the manufacturer we were told that all of these alarm are very sensitive to hydrogen which is given of by charging batteries.  We tested different makes and quality alarms and all gave similar results.
It's a problem we have yet to find a solution to.
The idea of an alarm is good and I have ever fitted one of  my own boatime but they are not a perfect solution.


rustic    -- Jan-9-2017 @ 8:05 PM
  Interesting point regarding the hydrogen.

Our Lucas leisure batteries have the option of a vent pipe, I vented both batteries to outside the hull, so the hydrogen should drift away.

A bit OTT but when we had a caravan I vented the battery through the floor, not ideal, but better than having a locker with hydrogen and Oxygen.

We had a Citroen Picasso, the battery was under the passenger seat, and Citroen fitted a drain through the floor.

So there are ways to get rid of the hydrogen.



best regards, Richard.

In my opinion, being on a boat is one of the most relaxing place to be.


This message was edited by rustic on Jan-9-17 @ 8:08 PM


Phil2017    -- Jan-9-2017 @ 9:24 PM
  All of our boats have battery boxes with vents to outside of the hull of one form or another.  The problem seems to be gas seeping through the lid.  The problem seems to occur when the boats are on moorings normally at night in very still air.  Not as you might expect when the boat is underway and the battery is charging hard.
We intend to improve ventilation round the batteries before we consider removing any CO alarms.


herbertwoods    -- Jan-25-2017 @ 4:49 PM
  Hi Rustic,

I thought you might be interested to know that we are currently installing smoke and CO detectors to the whole fleet as part of their winter maintenance.

Kind regards,

Amanda



rustic    -- Jan-25-2017 @ 5:03 PM
  Hi Amanda, that is really great news, I know where my first point of call is when we hire next. Thank you.

I think I may have shot myself in the foot here lol....
I might not be able to secure one, as everyone else will see the dangers of CO and beat me to it lol.

Great news.
Richard

best regards, Richard.

In my opinion, being on a boat is one of the most relaxing place to be.


pargeandmarge    -- Jan-25-2017 @ 6:13 PM
  Hi All
Thanks Richard never thought about the boat next door, could easily happen. Last year we got a carbon monoxide monitor and have a smoke alarm so feel better for it.
Regards
Marge and Parge


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