Topic: Pike fishing the right way


Freako    -- Jul-12-2005 @ 11:30 PM
  Following on from the previous thread, nothing annoys me more than seeing people fish for pike without any knowledge of their quarry. No your swing tip rod will not do, neither will your 6lb breaking strain line, no you cant troll from behind your cruiser, and no you cant nod off and leave your live/deadbait in the water. These are just a few of the things we see every year from part time pikers, dont get me wrong we all have to start somewhere but pike have teeth, and this fact alone will frighten some people when it come to unhooking, this is not a difficult task if you have some knowledge of how to handle pike. They may look menaceing but beieve me pike will suffer more than any other freshwater fish from mishandling. And plese hace a keepnet big enough to accomadate your capture. Please dont keep pike in a keepnet, they WILL die, quickly take your photo's and return as quickly as possible. I could go on and on but you are probably bored by now, but hundreds of pike die each year due to mistreatment. Enjoy and return your  fishing but be equiped to deal with your catch. For those of you who are interested see address below of the Pike Anglers Club of Great Britain, here you will find out all you need to know. Don't forget to post the pic's of your catches for us all to see, Tight lines.http://www.pacgb.co.uk/tips/landing.html

The Budgie Man


Freako    -- Jul-12-2005 @ 11:36 PM
  Blimey I must leave that Guiness alone, Should read "please have a landing net big enough to accomadate your capture" also "enjoy your fishing but be equipped to deal with your catch" Hope that now makes more sense!

The Budgie Man


Boatboy    -- Jul-13-2005 @ 12:03 AM
  Pike fishing the right way. . . .

1) Open can of draught guinness, poor into glass allowing 119.5 seconds to settle and drink it whilst deciding which rod and reel combination to use and what breaking strain you think you may need.
2) Open second glass of draught guinness and drink it whilst tackling up.
3) Open third can of draft ginnis and drink it wilst deciding wot bait to use.
4) Open forth can of draft ginness and drink it whilst trying to remember wot you got your fishing tackle out four
5) Open fifth can of draft ginnis and drink it whilst packing away fishing kit
6) Head to the pub for the real thing.


great session, the one that got away was huge but the five you caught were all perfect!


kfurbank    -- Jul-13-2005 @ 10:01 AM
  Fishing has never really appealed to me before, but the way you describe it Boatboy, I might have to give it a go Smile

Keith


jimgibnry    -- Jul-13-2005 @ 12:06 PM
  Keith,

Must agree with you. Boatboys guide to fishing is certainly refreshing...



regards

Jim


craigspc2000    -- Jul-15-2005 @ 12:51 AM
  Great one Boatboy, I like it. Smile

On a serious note though, I must say that I agree wholehartedly with what Budgie Man says.  I'm also a keen pike angler, and for anyone that is thinking of giving pike fishing a go, the link he provides gives some very useful tips.

It's just sad to know that whilst there are many inexperienced anglers out there that genuinely want to learn how to deal with fish properly, there are equally as many that just don't care at all.  

I have very vivid memories of catching a small Jack pike at the age of about 10 and having two blokes yelling at me from the other bank telling me to "Knock it on the head!", "Kill it!", and "don't put it back in there!".  Luckilly my dad was just at the car and was straight over to help.  I wonder what would have happened if they had caught it though?

Craig(2)

This message was edited by craigspc2000 on Jul-15-05 @ 12:52 AM


bosun    -- Aug-21-2005 @ 12:48 PM
  good thread, mr budgie man  Smile

nowadays,there is no excuse for not researching pike fishing before going. there are numerous books & videos on the subject, & the PAC should always be willing to help.

the best way tho, is to fish with someone who is experienced.


roya    -- Aug-21-2005 @ 1:27 PM
  hi bosun mate
welcome to the site,best way is to come fishing with me, never catch any thing but seem to fall asleep a lot, put that down to relaxation or the stella.
but you are right ,for first timers it is best to have help on hand so the fish do not get damaged.
i do worry that fishing may follow the hunting path,and after watching some anglers on the broads a bit more care may be prudent.plus the attitude some of them have to the rest of the river users?
i have often thought that a fee should be payable for fishing then a bit more accountability may be started.
cos its allways the few that spoil it for the rest of us.
Cheers

roya

now about my bilges.


osdguy    -- Aug-21-2005 @ 1:49 PM
  Roya

Might not be much of a fee but we have to pay for our rod licences.
Unless of course you are proposing "feeing up" every part of the river...that would be about as welcome as telling boaters they have to pay the toll plus a milage charge for every inch they travel.
Most of the beer cans I see floating in the broads are "overboards" from boats, much of the rubbish I see floating is "overboard" from boats....if accountablity should be there for anglers then it should be there for boaters too.


regards

Marc (osdguy)


roya    -- Aug-21-2005 @ 3:23 PM
  hi marc mate no sweat
just a thought around most of norfolk you have to pay to fish i do as well.
my boat license is a lot more than my fishing one.
not many places in the u k where you can fish free.
plus i have to have insurance to be on the broads .
one of my most spot on haunts in norfolk costs me £10 a day to fish  so why not charge a little for the broads. Smile
cos i do note a lot of anglers hog the moorings and will not give way to craft. Question

roya

now about my bilges.


osdguy    -- Aug-21-2005 @ 3:35 PM
  Roy

With regards anglers hogging mooring spaces, I agree but like at least one other person on here my view is I'll ask you to move your rod twice and then I am coming into that gap - Anglers must give way to boats at free moorings if they chose not to then it is their equipment at risk.

Who would fund the cost of bank patrols to enforce payment of bank fishing? Who would fund the cost of putting EA personnel in boats to collect fee's up and down the river?

If someone has to pay £10.00 to "moor" their bum to fish on part of a bank (say St benets) would you then be happy to pay £10 to moor your boat there?

I agree though that anglers should pay more heed to "rights of way" but feel that introducing charging is not the best method of creating an enviroment of accountability - as you point out we pay more for for our insurance and tolls than an angler pays for his rod licence but on the whole they create less mess than the boaters, so in this instance increased costs do not equal accountability.



regards

Marc (osdguy)


roya    -- Aug-21-2005 @ 3:42 PM
  hi marc, at this point i am going to shut up and throw this very interesting debate open to our members to see what they think.
its over to you members now. Smile

roya

now about my bilges.


Boatboy    -- Aug-21-2005 @ 8:14 PM
  Don't often disagree with you Roy, but going to here. Not in respect of the accountability for anglers, I think that's a very good idea but I don't think that making the sport more expensive will improve that.

I don't see the point in making any activity more expensive if it can be avoided, be it angling or fishing. Most people I know who fish regularly learnt to do so as kids, when their respect for the fish they were catching was at it's height and they carry that with them in their sport today. Making the sport more expensive would only put kids off fishing and drive them back to their playstations.

Yes, there are one or two fishermen around whose attitude stinks, but then that goes for one or two boat owners as well. Perhaps peer pressure is the way to correct these people ways!


bosun    -- Aug-21-2005 @ 9:32 PM
  thanks roya  Smile

tis a very interesting site & given my love of the broads, why has it taken so long for me to find it?

boats & anglers should respect each other & i think, in general they do.

the fishing should stay free imho. the cost of a holiday in this country is expensive, especially the boats. even in oct/nov, a boat for me, the missus & the hairy monster in my pic,is £500+ & if i then had to pay to fish i would struggle to afford it.

holiday fishing must generate a huge revenue to the area, aswell as introducing a few newbies to the sport.both of which are welcome....

as long as those as those newbs don't go straight for the poor pike!  Playful Wink


bricktop    -- Aug-21-2005 @ 10:52 PM
  Every time i catch a pike i see their teeth I think I must be mad . Scared  Scared

Prepare to be boarded
                     John

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roya    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 9:08 AM
  Hi all
This may sound daft but,
in the winter i see loads of pike fishermen,but not many in the summer ,
Pike must eat all year round.?

roya


madmancs    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 2:49 PM
  Hi Roya
Most pike specialist anglers tell us that pike are a winter species.Although the pike looks a fearsome creature they are very fragile.so maybe its because in the winter they are more sluggish due to cold water conditions,therefore easier to land.In the summer months they will fight a lot harder and exhaust themselves to the point where they might not survive the battle.Not sure this is totally correct but have heard this is the reason off well respected pikers.
Cheers Steve


breadflake    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 3:51 PM
  Hi all,

Large pike are all female, (they often eat the males during, or shortly after spawning) In the winter, after gorging on fish, they start to produce eggs for the breeding season. The extra weight put on from the gorging and eggs can make a  10lb summer fish, weigh 13-14lbs or more in winter. Thus the angler gets a bigger fish than in the summer.
This, in the right waters, gives a better chance to catch a record. Or so I have heard.

Bill


Maurice    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 4:21 PM
  Several points on this thread at the moment.
1. I agree that to ask a holidaymaker for £10 a day for fishing is unthinkable, but I wonder how much revenue could be gathered if it was £2 a week per angler, with a £10 season ticket available. I really can't see that as a crippling expense, yet given the numbers, quite a tidy sum would be raised.
2. Litter comes not from any one source but from ill mannered louts (and loutettes) who have no idea about social behavour. Some fish, some boat and some just hang about and chuck it in. All should be horse whipped!
3.  I enjoy a bit of pike fishing too, and agree that we all have to learn somehow. but as has already been mentioned its not always the youngster or novice that does the damage. Until such time as "Zander Bins" are removed from the Fens, and when Reservoir Trout fishermen stop throwing course fish on the banks to die, then perhaps we can train our youngsters to respect fish and life in general. The "Kill the pike" mentality is harmful and should be eradicated, there is however one other practice that will damage the sport, and that is "Live baiting". Telling the child how the life and wellbeing of the pike is important while impaling a smaller fish on a barbed hook doesn't really send out the right message does it?

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flonker    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 4:29 PM
  Are you allowed to use live bait on the Broads?

Dwile Flonker


Maurice    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 4:35 PM
  Interesting point, I've seen so many using live bait, I assumed it was permitted. I don't think its against the law so, Who would be in authority to say NO?

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breadflake    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 4:51 PM
  Maurice,

Pike are natural predators in british waters, they and the other species in a system, reach an equilibrium and survive alongside each other. The pike eat dead and, sick/dying fish, as well as healthy ones. Zander on the other hand are an introduced species. They gorge themselves then carry on killing fish for no reason. They are decimating native fish stocks wherever they have been introduced. The NRA have to carry out culls on zander because of the damage they do. So IMHO they should be eradicated, in a humane way.

Flonker,

I think livebaiting is allowed on the broads, as long as the livebait has been caught on the broads, not in a different river system, as this can introduce disease.

LIVEBAITING SHOULD BE BANNED.


Bill


breadflake    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 4:59 PM
  Also, when deadbaiting with freshwater fish, they have to have been caught in the same system because of the danger of introducing disease.
This also Kills fish unnecessarily as Mackeral, sprats and herring, etc, make excellent baits and are freely available.


Bill


flonker    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 5:04 PM
  I agree with your sentiments entirely with regard to live baiting.
Dead baiting would seem to fall into a similar catagory.
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Dwile Flonker


Maurice    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 7:20 PM
  Whoops, Sorry Breadflake, My fault for not making myself clear.
I have nothing against the eradication of Zander in this country, in fact I am in agreement that this should happen. It is the Zander Bins I oppose. I think the bins send the wrong message about fish care, also Zander are quite good to eat, so why bin them. (Pike can be good to eat as well, but I get all mine from a trout fishery)
Idealy the Zander should be removed professionally, not Angled for and binned.

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breadflake    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 7:46 PM
  Hi Maurice,

My sentiments exactly.

Inhumane killing of any animal should, imo, be banned.

I have never fished for Zander.If I did I know exactly where they'd end up. As for Pike, they are delicious. On one of H. F. Whittingstall's tv progs he jellied pike. Something I have yet to try, (along with Zander).

Bill

Bill


roya    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 8:17 PM
  Hi All
has any one got a picture of a zander to put on site,
ta

roya

A Day without a smile is a wasted day


Maurice    -- Jan-27-2006 @ 10:34 PM
  With or without parsley sauce Roy?

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Bivyboy    -- Jan-30-2006 @ 12:06 AM
  I agree with budgie man 100% about pike conservation and would like to add that as well as the correct tackle for landing a pike there are certain unhooking tools you need, I would never go after pike unless I had a decent pair of forceps, wire cutters with me, and I recommend inexperienced pikers carry a thick glove.
On a few occasions I’ve ended up with a pike in the landing net a hook in its mouth and a hook tangled in the net, the only safe way to deal with this situation is to cut the wire trace to get it away from the net, put it on a unhooking mat and using a forceps remove the hook.
I think the EA should do check to see if pike anglers have the right gear, and if they don’t moved on or something

This message was edited by Bivyboy on Jan-30-06 @ 12:22 AM


Freako    -- Feb-2-2006 @ 7:59 PM
  Now gang, I don't want to open a can of worms here, but to agree to ban livebaiting will play straight into the anti's hands. It is still a legal method, and although I don't do it very often it at times can be the only bait a pike will look at. Where do we draw the line? Maggots, worms, crabs, all live bait I think you will agree, it is a very imotive subject and a very complex one, not just a matter of not using freshwater fish as bait. As for the Zander, it saddens me to read some of the comments, if any of you can remember back far enough Pike were the hated species, they were thrown up the bank at every opportunity, they are now reveered by many, asto are the Zander, they do not eat orkill every thing in site, they do hunt in packs but do not kill for the sake of it, this would be very couter productive on their part. On the fens in particular they are very sort after for their sporting qualities and are looked after accordingly. Nature has a way of finding a balance in these matters. Carp are not a native species but are the most popular fish in the UK. We should treat all species the same, what if the Zander boys started to bin all the bream they catch? There is a place for all in our rivers, cat fish next I don't wonder!!!

The Budgie Man


Karen&Mike    -- Apr-23-2006 @ 12:36 AM
  Roya,

you requested a picture of a Zander...

Well here you go

Mike

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


Karen&Mike    -- Apr-23-2006 @ 12:42 AM
  Hmmm,

don't know what happened there...

Here's the pic at the right size

Mike

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


JennyMorgan    -- Apr-26-2006 @ 10:47 PM
  Zander on the Broads, ummmm, now that's a thought! Barbel too, please.

Jenny Morgan, the watchfull eye!


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