Topic: Broadland Boats - New Website


broadlandboats    -- Sep-7-2015 @ 12:42 PM
  Hi,

We've been busy here producing a website with current registered boats on the broads and their details.

You can click through the links; searching by boat registration, boat name or class. You can view the hirefleets and the boats ages. Also compare engine sizes.

We have also added tide tables and bridge heights. Due to the limited mobile phone coverage on the Norfolk Broads we are developing some mobile applications to present this information in an offline format.

Please support us and visit us at  Broadlandboats

If you can help with any missing information please give me a PM!

Broadland Boats
www.broadlandboats.co.uk
Information on boats and boating on the Norfolk Broads


yogibear    -- Sep-7-2015 @ 5:54 PM
  Well I have just tried the 8 boats I have currently registered etc and only one came up!

"Knows what a Cringle is" ... erm...


Speleologist    -- Sep-7-2015 @ 6:24 PM
  This site seems to be duplicating information that is already available. To succeed it would need to be better/more useful. However it doesn't have the historical information or additional details of Craig's site. Nor does it have the searching on inexact name spelling of the Canalplan site (which also covers CRT and EA registrations in one place). I also found the very pale grey used in the search boxes made it very difficult to read my own typing.

Robin
www.robin.me.uk
"Posthabui tamen illorum mea seria ludo"


waterbuoy    -- Sep-7-2015 @ 6:40 PM
  Nice Try, but you have been beaten to it. Craig's site is a pretty good place to start. one can register a boat ownership with him, and post him photos too.

You will need to find a "value add" to attract people to your site. however, I do like the low-water predications at GYYS. Nice and clear.

Clive

Home - IP11 & Away - NR12



This message was edited by waterbuoy on Sep-7-15 @ 7:48 PM


broadlandboats    -- Sep-7-2015 @ 6:45 PM
  Thanks for your comments and visiting us.  Whilst there are other boat websites with registration details and history the boat data is required for mobile apps that we are writing. Keep watching and we will keep you posted when released!

Broadland Boats
www.broadlandboats.co.uk
Information on boats and boating on the Norfolk Broads


tonybwb    -- Sep-7-2015 @ 6:53 PM
  Our boat is on, name and number correct, however, if I am caught viewing yet another Norfolk website, I may be heading for a divorce, and what's the good of a boat without a cook? (She sees me using this site and hopefully doesn't view it).
Whilst not wishing harm to older sites, best wishes for your site, it must have already taken a lot of time and expertise.

tony b


woodwose    -- Sep-7-2015 @ 10:47 PM
  I had a look at the site. It works OK and my boat is on although the information is inaccurate.
However, I can't imagine why I would want to look up this information, even less why I might want a phone app to do it off-line.
Can people apply to have their information removed?

Nigel
Ludham


zacthedog    -- Sep-7-2015 @ 11:08 PM
  Can not see Delilah or her sisters yet.

Gary
A bad day on the Broads is better than a good day at work !
forum girly swot 19/3/2010 (IP3)
OFFICIAL QUIZ TEDDY THROWER 2011


broadlandboats    -- Sep-7-2015 @ 11:56 PM
  Hi Woodwose

Thanks for taking the time to look!

I will send you a PM

Broadland Boats
www.broadlandboats.co.uk
Information on boats and boating on the Norfolk Broads


Sheque1    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 6:36 AM
  Hey my boats got an airdraft of 0ft, that'll make easy to get under Potter!

Rough Collies, the best 4 by paws by Far


Steve51    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 6:45 AM
  I can't help but wonder whether the attempt at providing more detail about the boats, is worth the effort. All the extra information is only of value if it's correct.

For example, my previous boat is listed as having a single 1600cc engine. In fact it has 2 x 1500cc engines.

My current boat isn't listed, but I'm not too surprised as she only came on to the Broads from France in June.

Steve. CM1


broadlandboats    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 8:49 AM
  We're happily take advice on any air-drafts!

May seem a little odd we added this but air drafts air published on the hire websites.

One of the apps we've planned will tell hirers if their boat identified by reg will fit under a bridge as we maintain a list of bridge heights and air draft and boat air drafts.

Broadland Boats
www.broadlandboats.co.uk
Information on boats and boating on the Norfolk Broads


broadlandboats    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 8:55 AM
  Hi Steve51,

Thanks for visiting the website!

With regards to the engine size this is publicly supplied information, but if you find any inaccuracies we will update them as we are keen to get accurate details.

If you could also let us know about your new boat we would like to add it!



Broadland Boats
www.broadlandboats.co.uk
Information on boats and boating on the Norfolk Broads


broadlandboats    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 8:59 AM
  We've just added more detail to the site.



  • Link to the-norfolk-broads.co.uk to make coming back to the forum easier
  • Notice to Mariners
  • Additional Database Changes



Broadland Boats
www.broadlandboats.co.uk
Information on boats and boating on the Norfolk Broads


rustic    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 9:18 AM
  Quote " Hey my boats got an airdraft of 0ft, that'll make easy to get under Potter!"

Or it might be another way of telling you ... your boat has sunk lol...


best regards, Richard.

Can't wait to be back on our boat on
the Broads.


Trevor    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 11:06 AM
  Just looked ours up as well. Lots of mistakes and we have 0 height as well that will be good next time we are up to get under some bridges.

Trevor & Deirdre


waterbuoy    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 1:00 PM
  One thought. I would not think that advising people about the ability of a particular boat being able to pass under a specific bridge or set of bridges, as you will be making yourself liable to legal action if that boat ends up in trouble getting under a bridge.

Most hire craft will have to use a pilot at particular bridges. The pilots have a list of boat airdrafts, and have the final say about passing under a bridge.


Clive

Home - IP11 & Away - NR12


broadlandboats    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 1:19 PM
  Thanks for your advice waterbuoy!

We've seen plenty of pictures this year of boats stuck under Yarmouth Bridges. Don't want to add to anymore Smile

Broadland Boats
www.broadlandboats.co.uk
Information on boats and boating on the Norfolk Broads


rustic    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 1:31 PM
  No one has asked this question yet, but who is behind this venture?

A business connected with the Broads?
A group of enthusiastic members?

How is the venture funded?

Basically...
What's in it for you?

There must be quite a cost in setting up a new website, and maintaining accurate information.

How did all this get started?

Good luck with the new venture, I have had a look around, and I look forward to visiting the site again, as the site develops.






best regards, Richard.

Can't wait to be back on our boat on
the Broads.


broadlandboats    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 2:15 PM
  Hi and thanks for visiting,

There is significant work in setting up and maintaining a site. Basically I am an enthusiastic boater and helped by some friends on the Norfolk Broads. I am trying to provide the information we all need and want in an easy to read format, notices, tides, news events and more information on that boat cruising down the river!

As with many broads websites there is no commercial gain and as you can see from the nature of the site there are no paid sections and unfortunately self funded Frown

Due to the nature of security and registration compliance you will see the name of my company used if you dig deeply into the workings of the website.
This is essentially as these are registered with the Information Commissioner (IOC) as every UK site should be and carries relevant insurance policies. I take security very seriously.

The website and mobile apps allows playing about with different technology whilst hopefully being interesting to our visitors.

Enjoy visiting!



Broadland Boats
www.broadlandboats.co.uk
Information on boats and boating on the Norfolk Broads


rustic    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 2:29 PM
  Thank you very much for spending the time to answer my question.

I look forward to reading more as the site matures.


best regards, Richard.

Can't wait to be back on our boat on
the Broads.


Mercator    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 3:42 PM
  This website and its content is copyright of Broadland Boats - © Broadland Boats 2015. All rights reserved. Any redistribution or reproduction of part or all of the contents in any form is prohibited other than the following:
" Unauthorised use of this website may give rise to a claim for damages and/or be a criminal offence"


Andrew - just a question - you have published your copyright clause - when did you get permission from us as owner to include our  vessel content ?  yet you have placed information about our property under YOUR copyright .  mmmmmm  Confused  Looking through your accreditation you are showing as a registered business. Please remove our vessel from your content .

Many thanks
Maggie


Steve & Maggie.


Not quite an ancient mariner ..... though some say he was at sea before Pontius was a pilate !


This message was edited by Mercator on Sep-8-15 @ 5:11 PM


Steve51    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 4:30 PM
  Broadland Boats, PM sent.

Steve. CM1


broadlandboats    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 5:47 PM
  Hi Mercator,

I'm happy to remove your boat, but I would need you to provide me the registration details as I don't store previous communications, purely to assist with not holding personal data.

As you are aware the details of your vessel are publicly available, however we review data and therefore it is our modifications that fall under our copyright.

Having previously had a website copied including technical hardware images, I like to be in a position where I can legally request data that has been copied to be removed if warranted especially with all the effort that goes into the website.

As in my previous post the website does use a registered company within the website framework due to the requirements of complying with the Information Commissioner rather than providing a website outside compliance.

We look forward to seeing you on the river!

Regards,

Andrew





Broadland Boats
www.broadlandboats.co.uk
Information on boats and boating on the Norfolk Broads


Mercator    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 6:13 PM
 

thank you for your quick response Andrew. if you would kindly re visit your sent box in pm's on this site - you pm'd us yesterday with a link to our vessel. Your sent emails will remain live on the system. This will give you your reference .

many thanks
Maggie

Steve & Maggie.


Not quite an ancient mariner ..... though some say he was at sea before Pontius was a pilate !


broadlandboats    -- Sep-8-2015 @ 8:14 PM
  Thanks for all your feedback! The search boxes have now had the font colour changed from light grey to black.



Broadland Boats
www.broadlandboats.co.uk
Information on boats and boating on the Norfolk Broads


woodwose    -- Sep-9-2015 @ 10:17 PM
  I have replied to the PM asking for my data to be removed from the database. In the interests of fairness, I will try to get it removed from the other databases as well.
I am also going to ask the Broads Authority to stop publishing this information.
I wouldn't be so bad if it was at all accurate but an inaccurate database is really useless.

Nigel
Ludham


annville    -- Sep-10-2015 @ 11:02 AM
  Well said Nigel the information on my boat is completely wrong the only thing that is right is the number and name John


Pandora-3    -- Sep-10-2015 @ 12:50 PM
  It's not clear to me what legislation people are leaning on to demand removal of information?  Or why people think the information presented  constitutes personal information?  Or what material damage anyone thinks that the repeat publication of erroneous information which is from publically owned datasets is likely to cause.  The world has been asking for data held by government to be freely available for years.  Here it is being put to use.

Or have I missed the point?


boatingtone    -- Sep-10-2015 @ 3:44 PM
  keep it up andrew great website and wish you all the best

when i have finally got my boat on the water feel free to list the details on this site copyright free!

the b******* already know who we are - what we do -and a lot more besides

tight lines

bob


broadlandboats    -- Sep-10-2015 @ 3:57 PM
  In response woodwose and annville I always appreciate people taking the time to visit broadland boats and providing me both positive and negative feedback. Thanks for visiting! This helps a site mature. Also thanks to Pandora-3, I like your comments!

It would be really helpful to know what details are incorrect and why you don't like the data on your boat published so this can help in the future.

I thought I’d just take the time to detail information that is held within the boat register on Broadland boats and more importantly what we do not hold. In addition I'd like to clarify that information held on boats at broadlandboats is purely information readily available in case this assists with any concerns any readers may have.

… I am sure as we are all boating fanatics, we can look at a boat and know by the shape that its probably built by a specific builder to a specific class and therefore the beam and width is likely to be a specific amount of feet / metres. Through observation it is possible to read the name of your boat and registration. Also the same is true of some engine types and sizes, outboards have sizes on the back and outdrive are easily identifiable.

As boats are sold we begin to understand it's particular configuration of berths, showers and other options. Additionally information is published in brochures and reviews providing a fair insight into a number of boats …

So while we did not collect all of our data this way, this essentially the information we hold i.e it's all the data we display on our page and anyone could easily write this down and store it somewhere. This information is of low risk, does not tie back to an individual and is of interest to some people who like to compare boats or are interested in buying one.

What Broadland boats don't hold and don't want to know is information for example:
•     The name of the current owners and previous
•     Their  place of residence
•      Their email address
•     Their IP address
•     Summer / Winter storage location of the boats

For example I don't want to know a boat is owned by Mr and Mrs X, who live at this address and are based at Horning Likewise we do not hold a method of contacting the owners.

This more personal information would not be published by a public body such as the Broads Authority and for a webmaster adds additional effort in securing sensitive data and overheads such as encryption.

Interestingly, when browsing on various sites about the Broads we have seen personal data which includes personal names alongside boat names, email address and area of residence. We will not collate this data at Broadland Boats.

It is this information that I would have thought would have been more objectionable but often people provide it without thinking.  One site even displays when people are on the broads!

With regards to inaccuracies, there will be inaccuracies in data as each record is reviewed and assumption made on it. Boat data can be wrong. Sometimes when a boat is first registered on the broads someone doesn't know correctly what it is or phonetics and mistakes cause inaccuracies alongside lack of information on age etc. We really encourage people to let us know if the data is wrong.

Ideally we would love to have an open source database of BroadlandBoats. But I think that’s some way off!


Broadland Boats
www.broadlandboats.co.uk
Information on boats and boating on the Norfolk Broads


Pandora-3    -- Sep-10-2015 @ 6:20 PM
  My mistake, apparently not from a government dataset, but a collation of multiple other websites. Presumably within the bounds of their copyright policy.  Still not personal data in the ICO sense, but it's time for me to box out of the discussion Smile  usually I don't actually post in the first place Wink


woodwose    -- Sep-10-2015 @ 6:38 PM
  I got a reply from the Broads Authority. It's quite long and complicated but basically, they did not want to disclose any information about their database of boats on various grounds but after a 2 year battle they were compelled to do so by the Information Commissioner.
My view is a little different. I don't mind people knowing that my boat is called Woodwose. I don't make any secret of it. However, I supplied this information to the Broads Authority so they could collect the tolls not so that they could publish it on uncontrolled 3rd party websites. I think they feel the same way.
I think it is a measure of a website if they correct or remove personal information if asked to do so. I would always do this on my websites. It will be interesting to see who does remove the information.
The question I still have is "why do this?" I just can't see any need for this information to be published. It seems to add no value to anything. It seems clear that quite a lot of it is wrong as well. That must devalue it even further.

Anyway, it has been an interesting debate. Like Pandora, I will go back in my box.

Nigel


BobtheBoater    -- Sep-10-2015 @ 7:06 PM
  Just a question what is the point of this website? I really can't see anyone would want a website or app to see what engine or layout a boat has, personally I'd call the hire yard if I was really that interested after all they will know the layout and changes far sooner than a website. Otherwise I'd just not be bothered and move on. Is any of the information held what boaters really think about? I very much doubt it.

My broads boat isn't on there as it's not afloat I will ensure it doesn't get added once afloat. Sure many others will feel the same and once one record is removed the relevance drops and drops.



BroadsMinistry    -- Sep-10-2015 @ 7:38 PM
  My question is why anyone would object to their boat being on a list?

There is already a very well known website - Boats Of The Norfolk Broads - that lists boats, and has been painstakingly compiled over many years to provide a lasting record of the boats on the Broads for hirers and owners or just those interested in a boat, which was bought in Kent but once was on hire in Norfolk.

As far as I am aware people are ok with that website and many a person has used  it.  I remember discussions where reference is made to the website or someone has been directed to go to it and look up an entry.

What possible issue can there be in that.

I ponder therefore why  that is acceptable (or was until this discussion came about) but a new website is not.  Is it s trust issue the new kid on t e block and what might their intentions be.

I find it perplexing that people now wish to have their boat removed yet the only details stored would be the registration number, boat name, type of boat and so on.  There is not and would not be information about  where it is moored, who owns it currently or who did so there is simply to my mind nothing that could be done with any malice with the information.  

I feel it is frankly ridiculous to worry about such small fry when on this forum every person's posts are kept, and are searchable externally.

Many people have their name in their forum signature, and perhaps add their location too this too.  Usernames are often the names of their boat and quite a few have a photo of their boat too which adds to the small pieces of the larger 'data jigsaw'

Of course, everybody here contributed all of this willingly and so share it into the public realm which is all indexed by Google.  As an example I did a Google image search for woodwose+ludham and a surprising amount of photographs appear which is content off of this forum.  

Storm in a tea cup I say.


annville    -- Sep-11-2015 @ 10:19 AM
  I have no objection to people accessing my boat information if the info is correct which in my case it is not i tried to inform the web site the error of their data but i was not able to this which  i find most irritating John


broadlandboats    -- Sep-11-2015 @ 11:39 AM
  Hi,

Thanks for your comments. We have some really helpful information provided from visitors and are adding those changes, some to classes and some to boat details.

We've also removed the boat details of the three people who have requested it.

If you want any changes drop me a pm or send me a note on the contact us page.

We like hearing from you and improving the accuracy of our site.

Broadland Boats
www.broadlandboats.co.uk
Information on boats and boating on the Norfolk Broads


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