Topic: Fire at Richardsons


Poppy    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 8:49 AM
  According to Radio Norfolk on the 8am news, there was a fire at Richardson's yard last night, I think I heard 6 boats destroyed. Nothing on the BBC Norfolk web page yet.

  You need only two tools: WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and
it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn't,  use the duct tape.


B17    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 11:19 AM
  Thank You Poppy,

This information although alarming is vital to the likes of myself and others who moor their boats at Richardsons.

I would have been totally oblivious to this until much later in the day or even tommorrow had you not posted.

As it is I had a phone call from Steve this morning about it and have managed to contact the yard and find out that mine (and others) boats are not involved.

Stewart02 if you are looking in then as long as your boat is in its usual place it does not affect yours either.

We do have a roving reporter on scene (Andy Who) and he has confirmed that there are 6 boats either badly damaged or totally written off.

For those who know the yard these boats are on Merlin Quay (behind the Toilet Block)and are the boats for sale.

Andy has taken some photos and will either put them up on the site later or will e-mail them to me who will then do so.

The story going around is that the police have made 4 arrests of local youths in connection with a fire at a boatyard. (I am not sure of how much rumour I can put up on the site but I think if thats all I say I will be ok).

Thanks also to Steve and Andy for keeping us in the picture.

Rod

You mean the other Starboard then...


Phil    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 11:22 AM
  Just spoke to someone at the yard as we are worried about our boat, about 8 of the ex hire boats & 1 private boat for sale have been destroyed, they were moored on the Merlin quay up near the playground, no one was injured as these boats weren't being used.
the majority of the boats in Kingfisher quay (outside the cafe) had had the ropes undone and set adrift.

Our posts must have crossed Rod, thanks for the call
Phil & Shirl
(Hillsriph)

This message was edited by Phil on Oct-8-06 @ 11:24 AM


sallylouis    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 12:58 PM
  hi all does anyone know the names of the boats what have court fire just wondering  because we are going there on the 21 st october on the Ruby gem any info would be great.


Glen_Mist    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 1:06 PM
  I wonder if the youths that were, supposedly, arrested in conjunction to this crime were also involved in the fire at Potter Heigham where a number of boats were destroyed, including one that my collegue at work was buying at the time.

Chris James

"Darling, where is that water coming from?"


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 2:01 PM
  Hi there

I have just got back from the yard, I have taken some pictures and I will attept to uplift them in the next few minutes.  The fire services were till gone 2am, I think they did a FANTASIC JOB, when you look how many boats were around the blaze, they managed to keep everything in that area, apart from a few melted canopy windows, I did not see anymore damage.
Any way will try and do the photos now.

Regards

ANDY


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 2:05 PM
  Pic 1


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 2:07 PM
  THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE HAMPTON


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 2:10 PM
  EX HIRE BOAT 'RIO'


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 2:12 PM
  THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS 'WATER GEM 3'


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 2:15 PM
  THE LUMP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WATER IS A BOAT SO I AM TOLD, WHAT IT IS I AM NOT SURE,IT IS SAID  THE FIRE BRIGADE SENT HER OUT THERE,


kfurbank    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 2:25 PM
  A very sad sight indeed. If the police have caught the scum involved, let's hope they get a custodial sentence, rather than community service or a fine.

Keith


MJG    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 2:44 PM
  Things like this defy belief. What on earth do they think they have achived and how could they not be 100% sure that somebody was not on one of these boats at the time.

For all these scum know there could have been somebody sleeping on any of these boats.

Un-bl**dy beleievable.......

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Jan, when I said hit forward I actually meant reverse...

This message was edited by MJG on Oct-8-06 @ 2:46 PM


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 4:18 PM
  My boat neighbour was telling me earlier, that he went for a walk around 10pm last night and noticed that the taps were all turned on around Swan Quay, he turned them all off and then found virtually all the other taps in the yard had been turned on, (a lot of taps)as the good citizen he is, he in turn, went round and turned them all off, he said by the time he had finshed it was not much longer after that the blaze started, those yobs must have been hiding in the shadows l reckon,  

Andy


MJG    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 4:25 PM
  Given the value that some of these 'chav scum' types place on a life he is probably lucky he didn't stumble across them.....

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Jan, when I said hit forward I actually meant reverse...


andyfish    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 4:43 PM
  just more proof that these young toerags need some real punishment,and forget this hug a hoody business.
was down in stalham this summer and noticed the chav disease had spread down there,these kids are out of control and dont care what they do or wreck.
ps
im not tarring all the kids with the same brush

cheers
andyfish

who forgot the mud weight


steve    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 4:51 PM
  hi all ,
this very sad to see ! also good to know that no one was onboard these boats .if it's true they have arrested these lowlife idiots ( wanted to call them something else ,but it's a family site ) lets all hope that they get a very heavy punishment .good to hear Rod (B17 ),Andywho ( andy ) ,Stewart02 ,that your boats are ok .
cheers

steve and vicky


lez    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 6:43 PM
  hi,
certainly is a very sad site to see.
les........


Tesco    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 6:58 PM
  How about a nautical punishment? 30 lashes perhaps? Or walk the plank, into a sewage farm?


breckland    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 7:02 PM
  This is so very sad.  I am heartened that all of your vessels have avoided damage.  Arson is a reckless crime and the perpertrators have no regard for life.  As earlier posts on this subject have pointed out, there could possibly have been people sleeping on these craft and I highly suspect this was not a consequence that was investigated before the deed was committed!!   Mad


andyfish    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 7:03 PM
  how do
im for a bit of keel hauling,flogging em round the fleet then run em up the yard arm.
unless i get angry
cheers
andyfish

who forgot the mud weight


dave&andie    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 7:56 PM
  Hi all,
Iv'e just read what you have all posted and looked at the pictures and i'm 100% gobsmacked it beggars belief what these little F****RS get up to when they are bored.
I remeber last year the same thing happend to us, we was due out on LUCCA from Line Azzurrio in Aug 2005 but some little basket decided that was'nt to be, so they torched it along with another.
I can't believe what I have seen because I and my family hired out Voyager from Kingfisher Quay back in August of this year.
As someone has already said thank Christ no one was aboard.

All the best Dave & Andrea.


"I may be in charge but the wife tells me which way to go"


Norfolkboy    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 8:04 PM
  just saw the Stalham fire on the Anglia news, the scum that did that will get away with it,  a couple of weeks community service and slapped wrists,   you're right Tesco  30 or 40 lashes would be much more effective,  those nutters should be taken out of circulation for a long time. I'm glad nobody was hurt,
it must be devastating for the owners of the damaged
boats though,  hope they are insured.  looks like
the potter fire over again.  connected???.


romany    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 8:11 PM
  Its not just boats though, I was chatting to an engineer on herbert woods yard last week and was told that one of their service vans had been recently stolen and torched.
When they found it, still in the Potter Heigham area, nothing had been removed,it had just been done by 'joy riders'    Frown


Speleologist    -- Oct-8-2006 @ 9:21 PM
  Still nothing on EDP24, but the BBC are reporting it.

Robin
www.robin.me.uk


Richard    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 1:56 AM
  No thread has ever had so many views so quickly, so fast that it kicked out an alert that the server was being attacked!

Many thanks to Poppy for the kick off post, and Andy for the pics.

Great job, as always, by the emergency services - well done guys.

I hope the perps will get a fair trial before the hanging, personally I'd like to see them clean out the inside of holding tanks in high summer with a toothbrush.

Thank heavens no one was injured.


Broadslord    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 9:30 AM
  That's probably the kindest way of getting rid of that junk.


LEECHY41171    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 9:52 AM
  One mans junk is another mans treasure...

I may be slow but I'm ahead of you


Kentishboy    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 12:34 PM
  What are you referring to as junk.......... the boats or the yobbos ?? Question

Regards,

Ted


terryclarke    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 4:40 PM
  I echo everyone's sentiments here about those responsible.

Real concern that this might be the start of what one might come to expect in the future.

Thinking about it, what would be value of the assets say floating in Richardson's marina, £1m+, £2m.  There is a lot of money floating there with very little security protection - must soon come to the point where large yards will have to consider night security guards on the premises.

Terry


JennyMorgan    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 5:33 PM
  In recent years two boatshed and one hotel fire at Potter, and now boats fired at Stalham. Yes, a lesson has to be learn't. But once again us ordinary folk will pick up the bill via increased yard fees to cover security and insurence rises. Personally I reckon they should slowly cut off their wedding tackle with a blunt hack saw.

Jenny Morgan,
Being the name of my boat and the generic name applied to the flag atop of a Norfolk Wherry mast, unique to Broadland. Now you know!


newton7    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 5:37 PM
  just got back from richardsons friday.stayed the night thursday certainly no security and no one around.an open invitation for mindless yobs.i was on kingfisher quay along with five other boats with people on.could have been our boats burning?????.now a reveiw of security must now take place Mad

cheers/robbie
which end is the stern?????


A.J.B.    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 5:38 PM
  We all agree the yobs need flogging and lets hope that happens, meanwhile, 5 boats, i believe all for sale. (so no income has been lost to the fleet.)
Looking on the bright side,what would the insurance value be, possibly £80,000 ? ,inhouse you could build some really nice replacments.


Andy


Japonica    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 5:52 PM
  Totally agree with you JM,
except I would have cut the parents wedding tackle off to stop the little b*****s being born in the first place. Its about time something is done about this mindless wanton desctruction taking place, forget the security issue, educate parents on moral values first!
Mat

http://uk.geocities.com/gravener471@btinternet.com/index.htm


GaryCantley    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 6:21 PM
  Hi,

Just heard on Anglia that the four youths, aged 16 - 20, have all been arrested and then released on Police bail. Where will they be tonight? Causing mayhem somewhere no doubt.

Glad no one was injured

Gary


romany    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 7:41 PM
  its certainly true that kids learn by example, if peers or parents show challenging or antisocial behaviour traits, the chances are very high that the youngsters will follow.

The problem is that with the new 'children first' laws, which cover youths up to the age of 18, you cannot physically restrain them if they force there way out of the home at night, even if you happen to know they intend to comit a crime.
As much as a pressure mark from a finger caused by gripping a teenagers arm or leg and you risk being arrested yourself. the law says you should call them to deal with such problems, obviously written by someone who has never had to deal with such a situation first hand.

A friend who fostered children for many years gave up for this very reason when this law was introduced and enforced by her local social services, it made the job a very tough one with a very fine line to be toed, and the very reason I have never fostered older children and teenagers.

Julia   Smile


Stranger    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 7:53 PM
  Hi Julia it just shows how the "law is an ass" we learnt as kids to respect peoples property and the rules and laws of the time but the current laws restricting kids being hit by parents and the like are stupid in my view not that i condone the irresponsable hitting or abuse of children this is a NO NO but the odd tap never hurt me and it made me think before doing anything deemed wrong at the time. the corpral punisment being stopped in schools was also a big mistake im sorry but saying to a youth dont do that young man its wrong means nothing to 99% of kids today .........phew   vented

have a nice day all the best Dave


Phil    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 8:00 PM
  latest update episode 2
Just got off the phone talking to a friend at Richardsons - apparently last night a large number of cars on the carpark belonging to customers had the windows smashed & various things from inside stolen, including the seats!

I wonder what will happen tonight?

Phil & Shirl
(Hillsriph)


newton7    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 9:01 PM
  whilst on the subject of not only the fire but cars being damaged.when i went into the office to book in i noticed a sign on the wall {car parking £8.00}  {secure car parking £12.00}.being the take no chances type i opted for the secure parking.was then told to take the car to a large hanger.so took the car in the hanger and noticed lots of signs saying cars parked at owners own risk??? now i dont get that one and have yet to take the matter up with them or maybe ive missed the point??? Question

cheers/robbie
which end is the stern?????


Karen&Mike    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 9:21 PM
  And when you do call the police, if they actually come out while its still possible to identify the offenders, they too are so tied up with rules and regulations, its very very unlikely that any action will result. You need a concrete case, hard evidence, witnesses etc and thats if the copper concerned is able/willing/permitted to take some action and undertake all the paperwork. As I understand it,when attending an incident,  they are encouraged to take the softer option of talking to people and diffusing the situation. Well it certainly semed that way when we had those problems and threats to us and our boat the other week...They (police) seem as if they are prepared to (or have to)ignore the offences that have resulted in the call for police to attend in the first place, and just avoid any further trouble.

The "lowlife" know all this too well!

So, theres no real deterrent and they know they are likely to get away with it. Plus of course, the more times they ARE caught, the more help they get as "serial offenders" and the more lenient the treatment.

We are on very slippery slope to a total lack of order...

GRRRRRR! to say the least!

And as for the situation with children, fostering etc, it certainly seems that we are tied up in knots there too. Bring back discipline! - in schools as well as in homes. Too many people, IMHO, put all forms of discipline under the banner of abuse - a  big mistake I believe. But then this moves us on to another debate, and one probably too controversial and too far removed from and Broads related topic...

Sorry for the rant...

Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


romany    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 9:22 PM
  Certainly the Wroxham yards also have their share of troubles from Yobs, a large gang were congregating at the rear of Royalls and racing their cars up and down the lane approaching Brinkcraft.

Some of the drivers looked very young to be behind the wheel, and it rather looked like the older ones where teaching the kids to drive down there.

During the night we were aware of someone prowling around the yard during the small hours as our dog was constantly waking and barking at the voices, which is unusual for her, shes normally quiet and very well behaved. for our own security we decided not to challenge whoever it was, personal safety is always more important than damage to property which can be replaced IMHO, and again if we had let our dog out to defend us, which she would have done, and she did nip a yob, it could cost her her life.

Julia  


madmancs    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 9:57 PM
  A bit harsh that Julia?
I,ve been known to stumble back to our boat in Wroxham in the early hours,certainly wouldn,t appreciate being nipped by a dog at the end of a night out? Playful
Steve


Stranger    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 10:05 PM
  here we go again just got back in from chasing some kids 13 - 14 yr olds as they decided it was a good evening for running over the cars parked outside including ours god give me strength!!!!!

have a nice day all the best Dave


romany    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 10:12 PM
  Steve I think you have misunderstood me, my dog would only attack someone if they were showing physical agression towards us, or had invaded our home such as during a break-in as an act of protection over us, so to do this at the boatyard, they would have had to gained forceful entry to the Boat. Some members did meet Zoe last week down at the WRC, shes a Labrador cross, and a big softy, I dont think any member is missing any fingers from the experiance lols   tounge-in-cheek Playful Wink

Julia


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 10:54 PM
  Just popped in again today and caught a snap of the digger trying to do some lifting on the boats, I too was told of the cars, they were over near the Pondarosa shed and also on Swan Quay so l was told.  I think everyone should ensure you leave nothing on show in the cars.
It amazes me how no-one see's or hears anything, when there are so many people living in the yard.

We used to moor our old wooden boat at Sawley Marina in Notts / Derby border, and the security there was superb. proper security gates to each pontoon and no non berth holders had access by road after hours, and the cost was probably inline with moorings here. I am not one to moan about things but it would be nice to have peace of mind that some sort of decent security existed there.
Going back to the value of boats in the fleet, I was told there were around 300 boats and say an average of £30000 each, thats £9 million plus all the other private boats, IMHO you would think it would be a minimum requirement of the Insurance company to have night security or a decent CCTV system up and running.

Andy


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 11:01 PM
  PS

After the above comments, I would like to say that i could not imagine have my boats moored anywhere else on the broads.  One you get to know the staff, they are superb, always have time for you and are always there to give technical advice or encouragement if you are undertaking a job.  The management are also great guys IMHO, and Paul Richardson is a oneoff, they threw the mold away after him, no airs and graces, just a really decent chap.


MJG    -- Oct-9-2006 @ 11:36 PM
  This thread got methinking about the general security of Broads Yards.

I must confess to being a tad surprised as to the lack of CCTV at the recent well known yard we recently hired from.

I noticed this on the last night we moored up at our base yard.

Many hundreds of thousands pounds worth of boats in the basin and not a CCTV camera (or even a CCTV in operation notice) in sight.

I just assumed there was some form of on site security presence - but if there was I didn't see it.

Of course I am not saying well in these circumstances such a yard would deserve all they get, but in this day and age with "Burberry capped chav scum" trailing their knuckles in the vicinity, on the look out for "a bit of a larf'" I would of thought it at least a bit prudent to invest in basic security measures.

In fact I am surprised their insureres don't demand it.

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Jan, when I said hit forward I actually meant reverse...


gramarg    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 1:01 PM
  I've been reading these threads and agree with what everyone say's, what is really sad from my point of view is that i always deemed Broadland to be safe and decent place to holiday. I believe in most respects it still is, we did have our car in the secure hangar but in the past have left cars outside with no problems, nothing will be done with these people boatowners and hirers will pay the cost indirectly so  another nail in the hire fleets. By the way Diesel is big enogh to frighten anyone but you are more likely to get licked, good deterrent, to all out there our thoughts that nothing else will happen and your boats will be safe.


Antares_9    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 2:31 PM
  The last broadland marina we had our moorings at had all sorts of pikeys & general ne'r do wells wandering about it unchallenged and as we stayed there it cost us a new outboard.

We are now in an electronically gated marina with CCTV and feel a lot happier about leaving a valuable asset alone during the hours of darkness.

It is a sad indictment that our home is also behind electronic gates, I’d rather not be, it costs us money but these pikey scumbags & Vicky Pollards give us little choice.


Cat logic: I once saw a spider go under this mat, ergo there is always a spider under it so I will sit and watch it all day every day.


JennyMorgan    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 8:18 PM
  Perhaps, Antares, you aren't aware that 'pikey' is a racist term, and offensive to some. However, I agree with the principle of your posting.

Worth reading:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5121/patrin.htm

Jenny Morgan,
Being the name of my boat and the generic name applied to the flag atop of a Norfolk Wherry mast, unique to Broadland. Now you know!

This message was edited by JennyMorgan on Oct-10-06 @ 8:20 PM


dannyboy    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 8:23 PM
  Thanks for that link JM - I'll p.m. you...

Danny


JennyMorgan    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 8:28 PM
  Danny, I hope that you find it interesting.

Jenny Morgan,
Being the name of my boat and the generic name applied to the flag atop of a Norfolk Wherry mast, unique to Broadland. Now you know!


Karen&Mike    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 8:34 PM
  Pikey, Diddicoy...

Yorkie (thats me BTW), Tyke...

Jock,

Paddy,

who cares?! All this PC stuff is madness!IMHO!

So many utterly ridiculous stories about this sort of thing appear in the paper every day...all about the "words" we shouldnt use! We cant even tell schoolkids that they're not doing well in a particular topic, or that they have "failed" an exam. This is exactly the sort of madness that causes a lot of the probs we have with kids behaviour and attitudes today.

If it wasn't for our Mums (who feel its a bit late in life for them to move abroad), Mike and I would leave this country ( and the Broads) I'm sorry to say.

Its gone to the dogs (oops, is that "Doggist" or something?) Gasp


Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


Speleologist    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 8:36 PM
 
quote:"......
'pikey' is a racist term
......."



As is "Water Gypsy", a point that was made to our dear friend in response to the first draft of the accursed Bill.

But yes, David, your point is well made.

(BTW, I am rather looking forward to an impending court appearance to give evidence against one of our local scumbags whom we caught in the act)

Robin
www.robin.me.uk


simonw    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 8:44 PM
  WELL SAID KAREN,I FOR ONE AM FED UP WITH LIVING IN A LILLY LIVERED LIBERAL NANNY STATE!!!!One of the only things that keeps me sane is my annual/18 monthish week away from it all on a boat on the broads and now the DEGENERATE SCUM are trying to impose themselves there!!WHERE THE HELL ARE THE PARENTS OF THESE SO CALLED HUMANS???I am only 36 years old and i can remember being scared witless because a policeman caught me riding without bikelights and the trouble i might be in....1 was 13!!!!!!!26 years ago!!!I have 2 girls aged 8 and 4 and the one thing we try to instill in them is respect and manners...so far they are doing ok!1 solution may be to bring back"NATIONAL SERVICE"in some degree?Be rest assured the scrottie little plebs would think twice about doing stunts like this if they were actually punished for it and i think a few early morning revelle's followed by a ten mile run may make them think twice??? oh no there goes the blood pressure alarm but i am fuming!!!!!

This message was edited by simonw on Oct-10-06 @ 8:49 PM


JennyMorgan    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 8:48 PM
  In this case, Karen, it isn't P.C., it's racist, plain and simple. And, as I have said, offensive to members of the Romany race.



Jenny Morgan,
Being the name of my boat and the generic name applied to the flag atop of a Norfolk Wherry mast, unique to Broadland. Now you know!


plesbit    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 9:01 PM
  I can't quite decide whether this is all heading rather OT or not so I'll make just this one comment on the subject rather than cause the thread to drift further.

Essentially though I agree completely with Karen (not for the first time) and Simon W.  My wife and I are 30 and we've so far chosen not to have children.  My wife wants them, I don't.  Not because I actually don't want to have kids but because I lived in a cr*ppy area of Dundee for 8 years and the creatures I witnessed there totally changed my perception of children.  Goodness knows, once upon a time I wanted to be a teacher.  Now my wife and I are just staggered at the what kids can get away with now.  They know they can away with more or less anything so they do.  Like Simon W my wife and I feel that even though we're still young we grew up in a different world.

A friend of mine is a teacher in Canada (her home country).  The UK, due to the shortage of teachers over here, has been doing huge recruiting compaigns for years to attract Canadian teachers but she tells me that British schools and schoolchildren have such an awful reputation that it's become something of a joke amongst her colleagues - kind of like the equivalent of German WWII soldiers being sent to the Russian front.

Well we've brought it on ourselves, completely and utterly.  And what's more, now that we can't recruit teachers or police and our yob culture has become legendary across Europe, we continue to refuse to learn from our mistakes when pretty much everyone can see what needs to be done to solve it.

Anyway, that's my bit!  Smile   Please carry on.

Simon

--

plesbit.net


Speleologist    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 9:04 PM
  Peter, you are absolutely right. I think it's also fair to suggest that the chances that the perpetrators of this gross act of wanton vandalism were not Romany people. Scumbags, Toerags, call them what we like, but please lets not implicate an already much maligned and persecuted racial group.

Robin
www.robin.me.uk


Jimbo    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 9:11 PM
  Aaaahhh Bless um! I must remember to have a whip round for um next time they come round our way stealing the slates of the barn roof!!!!! tounge-in-cheek


expilot    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 9:18 PM
  These "ne'er-do-wells and scumbags" are someone's children.  For those on this forum whose kids have turned out just fine, give yourselves a well earned and well deserved pat on the back - parenting is the most difficult job in the world.  Do you always know where your teenagers are, what they're doing and with what sort of crowd they might be mixing?  If your answer to that is, "Yes" then you'd better wake up and smell the coffee.  Part of being a teenager is being secretive.

Is there no-one on this forum who remembers the mischief they got up to as kids?  No, of course you didn't go around committing arson, but then the hardest drug you may have encountered then was probably Cherry Linctus.  These youngsters have a wretched time not to have chosen to grow up in.

The rot sets in as soon as they perceive themselves to be failures.  The state education system is perfectly designed to alienate kids from any sort of normality.  A child who has learned not to value himself is incapable of learning to value anything else or to adopt someone elses's set of values which will feel alien to him.

These kids are wholly wrong to have done what they did.  Their actions are inexcusable.  What may well have started out as a prank has gone very badly wrong and could so easily have been life-threatening.

These incidents will increase in frequency until their root causes are fathomed and remedied.  Would they not have done what they did if the fear of punishment were greater?  They would.  When you perceive that you have nothing to lose then YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE.  

I speak as an ex-headteacher and one who has been the victim of mindless vandalism.

"There are old pilots.  There are bold pilots............."

This message was edited by expilot on Oct-10-06 @ 9:29 PM


Karen&Mike    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 9:18 PM
  Virtually everything is considered offensive to somebody or other these days - thats my opinion, and I think we make too big an issue of it. We need to stop pussyfooting around and get over this obsession with words and phrases. Its what we DO that matters, I believe.

Lifes too short.

I'm not wishing to upset anyone or any group of people, I'm just expressing my view about the use of words and the way its all labelled as racist or not politically correct - in itself this can be very provocative and likely to cause trouble that wasnt there...I know that many people see this differently and feel that using such words is racist - I'm simply throwing my views and feelings into this as a different view point...

Karen & Mike (who says "ditto")





"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"

This message was edited by Karen&Mike on Oct-10-06 @ 9:20 PM


Speleologist    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 9:18 PM
  Jimbo,

Thereby hangs the problem. So some people, (Who you assume to be Romany) have stolen some slates. So let's tar all of them with the same brush. OK, lets suppose that eh kids responsible for the episode at Richardsons were English, does that mean that ALL english are arsonists?

I happen to have several friends of the Romany race who are honest, law abiding citizens, so yes, it is offensive to tar all with the same brush. By that token all moslems are sucide bombers, all Irish are thick, or whatever other racial stereotypes we choose to perpetrate.

Robin
www.robin.me.uk


andyfish    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 9:19 PM
  how do
I dont think mike used the word pikey to insult gypsies or anybody else for that matter.
however pussyfooting around or arguing about suitable names for these lowlife is taking us away from the issue

who forgot the mud weight


JennyMorgan    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 9:36 PM
  I suspect that Mike was not aware of the offence that such a term could cause. How could he be aware whether there are Romany folk amongst us or not?

I don't for one minute think that he had intended offence.

Personally I am proud of my great grandmother, a Romani Chi. Whether they are aware of it or not, many Norfolk & Suffolk folk have Romany blood, albeit from a long time ago.

The term 'pikey' is to the Romany as is 'nigger' to a black man. Nothing to argue over but worth putting the record straight.

Personally I haven't taken offence, but I am well aware that if we do have Romany amongst our group, and there is no reason why not, then there are some  who would be deeply offended.

Jenny Morgan,
Being the name of my boat and the generic name applied to the flag atop of a Norfolk Wherry mast, unique to Broadland. Now you know!

This message was edited by JennyMorgan on Oct-10-06 @ 9:41 PM


simonw    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 9:41 PM
  "The rot sets in as soon as they perceive themselves to be failures.  The state education system is perfectly designed to alienate kids from any sort of normality.  A child who has learned not to value himself is incapable of learning to value anything else or to adopt someone elses's set of values which will feel alien to him" To Qoute Expilot

Sir i have read most of your post's on here and find your views/info etc most enlightening,however you have highlighted my main point,Respect begins at home,Self esteem begins at home it has nothing to do with the education system (thats an excuse for the parents who couldnt care less)Everyone of an adult age knows what is right and wrong if not quite so within the eyes of the law it is about time we stopped making excuses for peoples behaviour and started to make them RESPONSIBLE for their actions, i am sorry if this upsets people but "wake up and smell the coffee" i have never behaved like this and my children wont(if they do i will drive them to the police station myself,and insist they are charged),But this i do out of love and guidance for my girls'  future ...enough said because heart monitor says i am officially dead lol.....si

This message was edited by simonw on Oct-10-06 @ 9:45 PM


pks1702    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 9:42 PM
  JM people of a certain age do see the word Pikey as a slang term for 'Diddycoys'in my youth it did not mean true Romanys.

Ask any teenager these days what a Pikey means and they will explain this as a Chav,Mong, Waster or other modern day slang term for an individual of dubious character, very few associate this with Romanys. The trouble is 'travellers' have given true Romanys a bad name.

In the modern PC world minority groups take precedence over the majority and instead of engaging in reasoned debate shout 'foul'.This in my view is storing up a major backlash as other cultures seek to impose their minority cultures on the majority. An example 'Christmas Lights' being deemed offensive to other religious groups!

Back to yobs of whatever persuasion as has already been said it comes down to lack of discipline and lack of deterrent.

Sorry did not mean to get all political but the current PC culture is at the route of most of what is wrong with our current culture and standards

Regards

Perry

This message was edited by pks1702 on Oct-10-06 @ 9:43 PM


J&B    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 9:45 PM
  We have just returned from a week on the broads on Star Gem 3,and were amazed to hear about the fire on the radio,..we headed back to the yard on Monday 9th, to spend our last night,and after seeing the damage to the boats, we were a wee bit apprehensive of staying there overnight,I also checked my car, and found it to be all in one piece thank goodness,...As to the issue of security,.the police landrover, patroled the quays every 1/2hr,which was a comfort to the missus.....Maybe now they will tighten up on security,....A nice wee job for Peter, since his retirement..lolol..As he stays on his boat in the yard.


DaveB    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 9:55 PM
  Hi all,i have read, and re-read this thread and afraid to say that i have to agree with Perry(pks1702) on every point he makes.One of the biggest problems is that very few of the "youf" today have any concept of consequenses or repercussions of their actions,and no respect for anything that is not either bigger or more violent than them

tin hat on Tinhat

Cheers!
Dave


expilot    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:04 PM
  Are the moderators on strike this evening or do they not recognise that some of these posts are both racist and offensive?

"There are old pilots.  There are bold pilots............."


Stewart02    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:06 PM
  Whats the world coming to?
I know this probably should not be said, but shouldnt the police hand over the offenders to the boat owners, so they can sentence the yobs themselves.
What a lovely thought.
Stew


Antares_9    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:17 PM
  JM, "Pikey" no longer refers to any particular race any more than "Gay" any longer means a happy or showy, bright or flamboyant. (although most gays I know are both happy & bright) The English language is a constantly evolving and absorbing one. The only people that should be offended by my post are pikey scumbags and for that I make no apology, and they are as far removed from Decent honest Romany Gypsies as you can find. Also should you wish to cling to the belief that I was referring to Gypsies then my comments would have been Xenophobic, not racist.

Cat logic: I once saw a spider go under this mat, ergo there is always a spider under it so I will sit and watch it all day every day.


Karen&Mike    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:20 PM
  Oh dear Mods - back to the "d*mned if you, d*mned if you dont"...

whats the point of a forum and debate, dare I ask?!

I think that generally the comments have been made fairly from various view points, within the arena of an internet forum. I see no hatred or racism directed, PLEASE can we hear views!

Karen





"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


Jimbo    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:30 PM
  I'm confused as to why 1 or 2 members on this thread consider the word "Pikey" as offensive or racist given the fact a vast majority of the Travelers describe themselves as Pikeys ?? Question


Speleologist    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:34 PM
  Karen,

I think you're absolutely right. There has been a generally good debate on this thread, and any possible racist or Xenophobic statements have been made in all innocence. I haven't seen anything in need of moderation.

Robin
www.robin.me.uk


Antares_9    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:34 PM
  Australian guy to a very dear friend he had not seen for a very long time (me) "how are you you old Ba*&tard"). I did not take it as bringing my parentage into question or offensive, it's the way the Australian version of English has evolved and a term of endearment.


Cat logic: I once saw a spider go under this mat, ergo there is always a spider under it so I will sit and watch it all day every day.


Speleologist    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:37 PM
 
quote:"......
I'm confused as to why 1 or 2 members on this thread consider the word "Pikey" as offensive or racist given the fact a vast majority of the Travelers describe themselves as Pikeys ??
......."



It's not the word that's offensive, it's the completely unjustified association with the low life  responsible for the episode at Richardsons and the more general assumption that Pikey equals thief.

And David, I have to disagree with you, around our part of the world the term Pikey undoubtedly refers to travellers, almost all of whom are genuine Roma.

Robin
www.robin.me.uk


Antares_9    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:45 PM
  Well Robin, in my part of the world it does not, are you suggesting the culture & use of language in my part of the world is less valid than that in yours?
See how far it can go.

Cat logic: I once saw a spider go under this mat, ergo there is always a spider under it so I will sit and watch it all day every day.


kfurbank    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:45 PM
  All,

Let's not loose sight of the common enemy here. The lowlife who set the fire, I hope that some day they are on the receiving end of such acts of vandalism. In the meantime let's not score an own goal and start argueing amongst ourselfs.

I also think that at least one of the boats was a private boat for sale, let's hope they had insurance.

Wikipedia Definition
Contemporary usage
In recent years, the definition has become looser and is sometimes used to refer to a wide section of the (generally urban) underclass of the country, particularly those on whom the lower middle classes look down, or merely a person of any social class who "lives on the cheap". When used to refer to either Irish Travellers or Gypsies, it is considered to have racist connotations; even when it refers to others, many people still consider it to be derogatory and offensive. Pikey is also commonly used as a synonym of chav, a word which is regarded as having classist rather than racist overtones. "Pikey" is equally frequently used as an adjective, as in "he lives on a pikey estate", "those clothes look pikey" or "(name of cheap shop, e.g. one where goods are always sold for one pound) is a pikey shop".

Negative British attitudes towards "pikeys" (in this case meaning Irish Travellers) were a running joke in the 2000 Guy Ritchie film Snatch, making the line "I f**king hate pikeys" (often said with a thick accent) one of many oft-quoted lines amongst the film's fans. For his role in the film, actor Brad Pitt convincingly learned how to speak fluent "pikey" (actually an unintelligible patois used for comic effect).



Keith


Jimbo    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:53 PM
  Robin  Ahh right, Getting back to my earlier post you replied to, I can assure you after serving 11 years as a rural Pc in North Yorks I wasn't assuming who took the slates! I had the pleasure of interviewing many a dozen.


PizzaLover    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:54 PM
  This particular moderator feels darned if he does and darned if he doesn't.

Though this moderator hopes that Expilot doesn't mind a grin at "I speak as an ex-headteacher and one who has been the victim of mindless vandalism." The pictures in my head...

I don't know enough about the people who lit the fires to feel able to comment on their backgrounds. I can speculate, but I can't do more.

It seems to me that we could tie ourselves up in knots wondering about how to refer to someone who might have been (but I suspect probably was not) involved.

But in the mean time, isn't it good that we all agree that such stupid vandalism is just - stupid?


JennyMorgan    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 10:55 PM
  Antares, I do understand your side of the arguement. But lets turn it around. I believe that you come from London. For all my life if a visitor to Norfolk was to behave in an unacceptable manner then the local retort would almost certainly be 'blo*dy Londoners', even if they came from another city! Today the comment might appear to refer to their aristocratic bearing as being 'king'. I suspect that most Londoners might find that offensive, and rightly so, even though it is in common usage amongst many country folk. For that reason, other than to illustrate this point, I wouldn't normally use the term as I have no wish to cause offence to my city friends, that is if I have any left now! I trust that you will not take offence, as non is intended, but will now see why I drew attention to the offence that your comment might cause.

By the way, for a Romany to call a mate a 'pikey' is fine, just that some are a mite miffed if outsiders, Gorgios, use it as a term of abuse.

Really, all I am saying is, since most of you would not use racist terms on a public forum, please be aware that 'pikey' is a racist term.  

Jenny Morgan,
Being the name of my boat and the generic name applied to the flag atop of a Norfolk Wherry mast, unique to Broadland. Now you know!

This message was edited by JennyMorgan on Oct-10-06 @ 11:08 PM


Antares_9    -- Oct-10-2006 @ 11:21 PM
  Absolutely no offence taken JM particularly as I know none was intended, but even if it were I am comfortable enough in myself to shrug it off. Although all my work life has been spent both travelling Internationally from Laos, Russia, Chile, USA, Canada, Iceland, Vietnam et al. London is my adopted home and I love the varied cultures I encounter all day every day. I was raised in a northern fishing town and in rural Lincolnshire and would not take offence at being called a "Yellowbelly" for that reason as, again I am comfortable with myself. I mention all this solely to illustrate that I am neither ignorant nor unappreciative of other cultures. Xenophobia, sexism, homophobia and racism are all inexcusable but neither should the accusation of such views be used as a method to stifle valid and reasoned debate on related matters. I still make no apology for the use of the word pikey but am deeply sorry and indeed saddened if it causes offence to those it was not aimed at.

Cat logic: I once saw a spider go under this mat, ergo there is always a spider under it so I will sit and watch it all day every day.


B17    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 12:40 AM
  Phew,

Glad I was out tonight

And glad my boat wasnt one of those that got damaged.

Having said that the incidence of willfull boat damage around the broads is thankfully rare, as is  wanton vandelism, car damage and general low level crime (large towns excluded).


But at the end of the day isnt this exactly why, we who do bother to pay it, have insurence for.


Given time hopefully the current crop of reprobates, chavs, pikeys,carrot crunchers, swede bashers,toerags,scumbags,taffs,jocks ,micks and spiks(anyone else I havent insulted/offended?) will grow up just like the last generation of reprobates,chavs pikeys etc that operate in the Stalham area and become part of our "greater good " and join  the generation that abhors such acts.

Just like the generation before them did.

I wouldnt want to  moor my boat anywhere else and would not want to live anywhere else in the world apart from the UK and Broadland in particular.

Put it behind us folks.

It is an Isolated incident and hopefully the perputrators will be too busy doing community service or attending their councillors/lawyers to be bothered to do it again before they grow up and get a Job/life.

Rod

You mean the other Starboard then...


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 8:55 AM
  ' wouldnt want to  moor my boat anywhere else and would not want to live anywhere else in the world apart from the UK and Broadland in particular.

Put it behind us folks.

It is an Isolated incident and hopefully the perputrators will be too busy doing community service or attending their councillors/lawyers to be bothered to do it again before they grow up and get a Job/life'

WELL SAID ROD

ANDY

PS.....IF I HAD TUNED IN HALF WAY THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION I WOULD NEEVR HAD GUESSED WE WERE ON THE SAME THREAD.

DON'T THINK I'LL BOTHER DOING THE NEAR 40 MILE ROUND TRIP TO POST ANT MORE PHOTOS, AS NO ONE SEEMS REALLY INTERESTED IN THE FIRE ANYMORE,

JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE ALL GONE OFF TOPIC A TOUCH AND GOT INTO WHAT I CALL TAP ROOM TALK.

This message was edited by ANDY...WHO on Oct-11-06 @ 10:02 AM


donnyvron    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 12:33 PM
  Andy

Your picks are much apreciated as is Poppys original post.

Living a good 3 hours drive away, (I'm a Tyke of Bog Trotter and Haggish Basher descent, living on a council estate), I would have been unaware of the fire if it had not been for the forum.

No we don't moor our boat at Richardsons, but are within spitting distence. (Would have said a stones throught but then I'd get the blame next time a window gets broken).

It is a shame that the thread wandered a little for Christs sake.  (There that's all the religiouse people offended).

By the way Rod, you forgot Dagos, Wops and Jungle Bunnies....

If this offends anyone, tough, the topic is supposed to be the fire.

Graeme

All right so what is the technical name, sharp end or pointy end?


newton7    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 1:03 PM
  the thread has wondered a bit..being from liverpool we also get stereotyped you know the usual things...
cars with no wheels up on bricks.....
nail everything down when we visit....
what do you call a scouser with a suit on...the accused..
what do you call a scouse woman with a white track suit on....the bride...bla..bla..bla
am i offended..not a bit..if you cant laugh at yourself ....well Smile

cheers/robbie
which end is the stern?????


Justin    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 1:12 PM
  hi i just joinded the forum i am Justin Trevor's son who also loves the broads and i can't beleave what has happen with this fire i mean it happen at Herbert woods and now this yard what do these people get out of it. its not cool and its not funny. they need to really experiance what its like going down the rivers on a boat and just enjoying the broads and what it pervides.


steve    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 2:27 PM
  hi all ,
i argee with Rod / Andy and ask could we put this behind us now and carry on with what the thread is about please ?
thank you

steve and vicky


B17    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 3:58 PM
  Hi Graeme,

Yep You are right I did forget them didnt I and I suppose they are now offended by my lack of inclusion.

Anyway I am surprised you of all people would mention broken windows Tinhat Playful

You still havent updated us on the joys or otherwise of owning your own boat and what you have named her (pm if you like). I take it its yours I see in the new bit .

Cheers

Rod & Shirley

You mean the other Starboard then...


ncsl    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 4:00 PM
  Just got off the plane from Spain.

Totally gob smacked about this fire.

Cant belive any  thing like that could have happened.

My heart goes out to Richardsons.


Regards
ncsl

"Lord Paul of Sealand"
www.lordofsealand.co.uk


roya    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 4:24 PM
  Sunday morning i was at Hoveton,when 3 young men ran into a dissused Boat House ,a few mins later a police man turned up,i asked if he was ok cos 3 against one is not good,but he said hush,then another police man turned up,they went inside,and the lads came out quietly.
Theese may or not been the ???.
But i remember their faces and will look out for them in the future.

roya

A Day without a smile is a wasted day


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 5:43 PM
  Hi all again

Just spent the afternoon in the yard and found out a bit of good news.

Richardsons now have a security guard on permanent night duty, and he apparently has an alsation.  So it was a long time coming but now we have something, they are also building a high fence to the road side were the new fleet boats are moored up.

The latest gossip on the yard is the youngsters they got at the weekend were not the culprits but 2 other people have been picked up by the law, but they have been bailed.

They have started lifting the burnt out hulls out of the water now.

ANDY


pks1702    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 6:08 PM
  Thanks for the update and pictures Andy.

Threads do sometimes drift its not personal, but I am sure like me most are thankful for your 'local' information and pictures.

Regards

Perry


osdguy    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 6:28 PM
  One man and one dog for a yard that size? I suppose something is better than nothing. At least Richardson's have reacted to the events though and that can only be applauded.

I also learnt something new from this thread, I hadn't realised pikey refered to a group of people. Not that that will stop me using the term as i use it in the sense of chav based cheapo living moron.

I find it so funny how some groups get quite touchy about a name associated with them though.
n*gger has only ever been used as a term of sheer nastiness, as has paki (quite ad really as that part translates as pure, wonder if the racists who shout it realise they are actually calling someone pure), these names I can understand people getting touchy about.

Perhaps we should all start getting touchy about background names, personally I don't find taff or Taffy insulting; it highlights my background, I know a few paddy's who feel exactly the same.

If someone wants be racist towards me that's their lookout, makes them look smaller not me. I've learnt to laugh at the "insults" over the years.
Whats the definition of a welsh lesiure centre? A sheep tied to lamp-post; is one example

Do I take offence? Why should I? As I said it makes the teller look an idiot not me.

But back to the fire......

I haven't seen such wanton mindlessness in such a long time Mad
I simply can't understand what fun can be found in destroying these boats.
Scrumping apples I can understand, arson I can't! There was the potential for loss of life here but did they care? They probably didn't even give it a 2nd thought.

I really hope the scum are brought to justice, and that if community orders are given they are made to work it off at the yard.

Why,Why,Why?


regards

Marc & Karen
(osdguy)


jamesbagnall    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 7:12 PM
  After following this thread for the past few days, I wanted to wait until there was news of the recovery operation in progress before I asked.....

What happens to the burnt out boats once they have been fished out? I presume by the age and extent of the damage just about all of the boats will be scrapped - is this likely to be the case or would the hulls of some of the less damaged of the attacked boats be of some salvageable use?

If they are scrapped, what would be the usual method of disposal? Are they just simply cut up and land filled or is there a more sophisicated way of dealing with scrap boat?

Great great shame to see the state of them, and just lucky that no-one was indeed aboard at the time - presume the arsonists had previous knowledge that there were boats for sale, or just lucky co-incidence that Heron is nearest the main gates?

Best wishes,

James.


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 7:40 PM
  Hi All

I will be back at the yard again tomorrow, so l will try and find out how they dispose of the shells, they have loads of land up by Pondarosa and l wound not mind betting thats were they end up intially.

I suppose the yard is a large area for one man and his dog, but better that than nothing, it makes me feel a little better that the yard is being patrolled.

ANDY



Ellaboat    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 7:44 PM
  As ex hirers from this yard and subsequent visiting boatowners, we have an affection for Richardsons due to the casual approach of the staff and welcome given to us as "privateers."
The first time that we visited for an overnight stay on "Ella" we tried to pay but were told that we were welcome at no charge.
The only proviso is one of common sense - that is to avoid the busier quays on changeover days.
We have happy memories of turning up fairly late, mooring up and wandering into the village to return laden down with Indian takeaway.

Walking back through the yard in the dark and utterly peaceful atmosphere used to be relaxing in itself.

The new security measures have become necessary (after many years without such a need) because of the actions of a tiny minority.
As usual the majority suffer, Richardsons' overheads increase and anyone returning to a boat at night might now want to invest in ear defenders and body armour.





E/boat Steve


JamesLons    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 7:56 PM
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This message was edited by JamesLons on Oct-15-15 @ 7:45 PM


Ellaboat    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 8:07 PM
  When you consider that most security companies are charged with patrolling empty sites, Richardsons must be a challenge.
In the more popular months, several (mostly hire) boats do stay overnight, often with small children on board.
Any security company charged with patrolling the yard would need to ensure that their dog handlers have very well trained dogs (and good public liability insurance).

E/boat Steve


brenda152    -- Oct-11-2006 @ 11:45 PM
  Just seen your pictures of the devastation caused by the fire at Richardsons. We do not own a boat but have been coming to this boat yard for many years hiring a boat for our annual holiday.
It is so sad that some mindless individuals seem to get a kick out of destroying other peoples pleasures.
We sincerely sympathise with everyone who have had their boats destroyed or damaged.


Scooter    -- Oct-12-2006 @ 6:12 PM
  Agree with most of the comments on here so far - let's just hope that justice gets done!

On the yard itself, following on from Andy Who's comment earlier, I pass along the road past the yard every day, usually twice each way, and had noticed the fencing. I must say that unless they are planning on putting razor wire across the gaps in it, then it won't really keep anyone out! Still, we'll see in the fullness of time.

Chris Buckmaster (361H)


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-12-2006 @ 8:50 PM
  Hi there

I agree with Scooter on the size of the gaps in the fencing, one assumes they are doing the framework ready for the boarding or fence panels.
The gaps at the minute are big enough to walk thru with ease.
One interesting point... l was told there was a post with an acorn on it at this gap in the fence at the start of the week, Does this mean that it's a public right of way?

I was told also that the burnt out boats were being crushed and put in skips to be taken away, l have not seen this for myself but the area seems clear of most of the damaged boats except for the Hampton which l beleive was a private boat.

ANDY


ncsl    -- Oct-13-2006 @ 8:53 AM
  The fench is the least thing to worry about as there is full access via the river.

If these "are so's"  are that determined to cause this sort of damage than river access would still be available to them.
Nicking a small boat or rib would be just as easy.

There is access from the staith at the junction to their yard and the public staith to Stalham which takes you throught Richardsons to the Broads Museum.

I dont think you will ever stop access unless you stop all boat / river  access as well.
  

Regards
ncsl

"Lord Paul of Sealand"
www.lordofsealand.co.uk


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-14-2006 @ 6:20 PM
  Hi All

Well this is the end of the road for the boats, it's hard to imagine getting a 37ft boat in one of these things.

Bye 4 now

ANDY


jamesbagnall    -- Oct-14-2006 @ 6:31 PM
  Sad to see them just being crushed and skipped - but I suppose there is actually little else that can be done.

Wonder if they are insured? I'm sure in any event Richardsons will still be losing out.

I know my boat is insured at 'as purchased' invoice value, so I wonder how the Richardsons boat are valued, as no doubt they have either been owned by Richardsons for many years (ie Thames, Hearts etc as many of them were)? Wonder if they will get an insurance payout at an agreed trade value, if they were insured at all?

Sad indeed.

Cheers,

James.


Jonzo    -- Oct-14-2006 @ 6:37 PM
  Commercial insurance policies generally have a fairly hefty deductible (excess) associated with them, so while Richardson's will get something if they're insured it will likely fall short of the full value.

This message was edited by Jonzo on Oct-14-06 @ 6:38 PM


Kentishboy    -- Oct-14-2006 @ 8:52 PM
  So why not sue the parents of the yobs responsible, for the difference? Probably won't get anywhere but would surely frighten them and they'll maybe think twice before doing anything like it again.....


steve    -- Oct-14-2006 @ 8:57 PM
  hi kentishboy ,
things have moved pretty fast since last sunday and now it has come to light that it WAS'NT yob or kids that started the boat fires ,
cheers  

steve and vicky


Kentishboy    -- Oct-14-2006 @ 9:07 PM
  Did I miss a post Steve? I thought I had kept up with this one. What do they think caused it then? Blush

Regards,

Ted


steve    -- Oct-15-2006 @ 9:30 AM
  hi ted ,
if you read back to october 11th and see Andywhos posts ,
cheers

steve and vicky

This message was edited by steve on Oct-15-06 @ 9:40 AM


PLANK    -- Oct-15-2006 @ 9:53 AM
  Morning everyone.

The story going round the yard, is that the previous people who were picked up by the police have since been released, but they have picked up someone else, this person has been bailed.  The interesting point is that this person worked in the cafe in Richardsons yard.  
Like I say this is the info going around the yard.

P

This message was edited by PLANK on Oct-15-06 @ 2:31 PM


Trevor    -- Oct-15-2006 @ 10:05 AM
  Just back from a week in Wroxham. Saw the boats this week and a very sad sight. We were told that one of the boats had just been sold and was ready to be prepared but this is one that will be crushed now. Thanks Roya for the events on Sunday morning. We wondered what it was all about when we saw the police on the other bank. If security keeps having to be stepped up I wonder what will be the efect on people's enjoyment of the broads.


matelot20    -- Oct-15-2006 @ 10:31 AM
  It throws two different views on the issue as we all know .
With a police or security presence, you feel you have a peace of mind, and on the other hand, as you rightly say, you automatically think " is it really that bad around here " first impressions............


Boatboy    -- Oct-15-2006 @ 11:04 PM
  Whatever the age of the people (or person) responsible I think it's safe to call them yobs. I'm sure there are any number of socio-pshycological issues to explain the hardships which led the perpertrators to such actions.

I'm afraid none of that cr*p washes with me. The only answer is to remove the liberty of these people. Tag them, curfew them, remove passports and driving licences (if they have them), release them during the daytime to attend work (or community service if they don't have work) so that they can pay for their own incarceration.

I don't advocate the creation of a police state but this mess which we live in now serves only to protect the guilty. The innocent are not even allowed to fight for themselves!

Yes there are underlying issues which must be dealt with but at the end of the day 99.9% of these low life are where they are because of their own personal choices - we all had those same choices to make but we don't go around burning boats and smashing car windows.

That's my rant over - next!

Regards

Paul

"coots forever"

"and ever"


BOATERS    -- Oct-15-2006 @ 11:14 PM
  Andy Be assured that people are taking notice of this story .I have received e mails from members of the bounty owners group who are as concerned, as all of us are regarding this event and read the forum and discuss these issue's.We had a senseless break in 4 years ago on the moorings but like to think it was an isolated incident and would not stop us boating.
Roy and Diane    Playful Wink

This message was edited by BOATERS on Oct-15-06 @ 11:33 PM


TheCommodore    -- Oct-16-2006 @ 2:46 PM
  If the prime suspect is an ex-employee of the cafe could the fire be because of a grudge against the management, and not boat owners in general? Comment, Paul?

This is one hell of a site to make secure, thousands of feet of fencing would be needed, plus cameras backed up by fit, active security. I can't see one man and his dog cutting it, frankly.

Besides, I thought geese were supposed to be better security than dogs, and there's plenty of them already, to no avail it seems!

While peripatetic fishermen, sundry dogwalkers et al. are allowed full run of the site at night, security will be impossible. Go take a look at Brighton Marina to see how high tech security should be done.

Since we pay £1600 a year for a hole in the water here I think we should expect a safe hole in the water.

This message was edited by TheCommodore on Apr-17-07 @ 9:09 AM


roya    -- Oct-16-2006 @ 3:18 PM
  Hi All .
Firstly welcome,
plank and commodre,

What bothers me is that at the moment the Broads are busy with hire Craft and us daft boat owners,but there is a Dirth of Rangers about,
Come on BA how many were about this weekend.
One Or Two launches over the whole Broads.
We pay our Tolls in the hope that we will be safe and secure in the knowledge that our Rangers are there to help us.
Mind you i did notice the work going on at the BA moorings,with a ranger doing sterling work
,but he would have been better cruising about on the Launch.
The amount of speeding and after dark cruising this last few days needs seeing into,
ACTION PLEASE.
Sorry for the drift but,the less protection we have makes the situation worse.

roya

A Day without a smile is a wasted day


Trevor    -- Oct-16-2006 @ 7:35 PM
  Well said Roya. As I said on another thread when the BA had people at the ferry inn in August telling boats to slow down by mid aftrenoon they did not need to tell so many. Just them being there worked.

Trevor & Deirdre


osdguy    -- Oct-16-2006 @ 8:10 PM
  Roy

I agree with all you say, but let's not hold the rangers responsible for being safe and sound in private marina's. That firmly falls in the remit of the yard's we pay good money to moor our boats in.

Security at any yard in the area is a joke, At least Richardson's have a lockable gate, many do not even have that.

Although at Woodsdyke I must confess my main concern is dmage limitation, as my spot is just opp. 1st turn on the left as you com up the dyke, and many a blind hire craft has missed the private sign and come up searching for moorings, only to be told that it is private, only for them to attempt a 30 point turn in a space not much bigger than a postage stamp & usually playing heavy handed bumper boats with every craft moored up.

Would be nice for some sort of worthwhile security at the yard though.

But that said the events of recent days (potter & richardsons) seem fairly isolated in terms of high damage to multiple craft.
Even with security we'd still have some scroat being mindless.

I think the Potter & Stalham fires have rightly focussed everyones mind on security. A shame it took such mindless actions to make us think tho Frown

regards

Marc & Karen
(osdguy)


jamesbagnall    -- Oct-21-2006 @ 10:16 PM
  Is there any more news of what became of the boats destroyed and damaged in this fire?

I know earlier in the thread there was a sad photo of the skip that they were being crushed into - does anyone know if they are all disposed of now, and whether the private Hampton that was damaged has too been crushed?

Is there a definative list of the boats that were lost at all?

Best wishes,

James.


ANDY...WHO    -- Oct-22-2006 @ 9:43 AM
  Hi James

They had the last Bermuda 'RIO' out on the grass  on Thursday  and I think it would be in the skip by now, the Hampton was still in the water, I think this is because it is private and soething to do with insurance perhaps.

Andy

This message was edited by ANDY...WHO on Oct-23-06 @ 9:57 AM


Poppy    -- Oct-22-2006 @ 11:57 AM
  I recon it was all down to Tescos!

tounge-in-cheek

  You need only two tools: WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and
it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn't,  use the duct tape.


kfurbank    -- Oct-22-2006 @ 12:15 PM
  Poppy,

I'm glad you've seen the light.

Keith


Smartarse70    -- Oct-22-2006 @ 8:56 PM
  You Know What They Say!

Every Little Helps!

Mediterranean mooring father?


simonw    -- Oct-29-2006 @ 4:35 PM
  Just visited Richardson's boatyard and this makes my heart weep!!!!!...si


Joe    -- Oct-29-2006 @ 8:23 PM
  Such a shame, accidental or vandalism?

Sails alot


phantom20006    -- Jan-22-2007 @ 10:20 PM
  The other yellow boat i Belive Was the helena 1 Of Hearts Cruisers

i am your angel of music


colingy    -- Apr-16-2007 @ 4:21 PM
  Hi All
Todays edp story on the sentencing.
http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED16%20Apr%202007%2015%3A51%3A13%3A597
Colingy


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-16-2007 @ 5:39 PM
  Well I suppose they are getting their just desserts however if it was 'B.A' I would be outraged at such a light sentence, they will probably be available for parole in a week or so.   Mad   -  Griff

One of these decades we WILL finish Broad Ambition !!


pks1702    -- Apr-16-2007 @ 7:20 PM
  With good behavior 4 years will be 18 months less time on remand - pitiful in my view and what has being a full time carer got to do with anything? Did he think about the consequences of them when he was busily doing his Guy Fawkes impression - I think not.

Sorry but this is classic justice today the only people that pick up the tab are us through higher insurance premiums.

Regards

Perry

It is not wealth or ancestry,
but honourable conduct and a noble disposition,
that maketh men great


osdguy    -- Apr-16-2007 @ 7:50 PM
  from edp
quote:"......
When out of work he uses all sorts of substances
......."



It comes to something when drug abuse (possession is a crime still) is actually used as a defence!!!!  Mad
Judge should have given him longer for being a habitual criminal, instead he'll get off early as well.

Full time carer my a**e! How could he be a full time carer before losing his job!? At best he would have been part time carer and if his stupid action lead to someone in his own family being inconvenienced then tough.

They don't call the CPS the Criminal Protection Service for nothing y'know  Mad


regards

Marc & Karen
(osdguy)


Gordon    -- Apr-16-2007 @ 8:02 PM
  Whilst I totally agree with the sentiments already discussed, I think we should try to prevent using this forum to vent our frustrations and avoid turning this thread into a rant.

Best put me tin hat on now Tinhat

This message was edited by Gordon on Apr-16-07 @ 8:05 PM


DanHorner    -- Apr-16-2007 @ 8:09 PM
  As I'm about to disappear for a few days I'll risk digging my tin out quickly before I go....

I was actually quite pleased when reading the article to hear that a custodial sentence had been imposed.

All to often today, especially with the prisons bursting this is avoided, so personally whilst I agree with the sentements here, and personally think the justice system is generally too light and not enough of a deterent to stop people considering these crimes in the first place I actually think on this occasion it's not worked out too badly, and think it pretty fair overall.... I half expected some kind of pathetic community service or perimeter ban ruling.

All the best

Dan

This message was edited by DanHorner on Apr-16-07 @ 8:10 PM


TheCommodore    -- Apr-16-2007 @ 11:49 PM
  I totally agree with Gorgon about avoiding a rant.

Personally I think that they should have their goolies cut off and nailed to the masthead followed by a spell in the stocks some six feet below high water mark until they have paid for the damage.

A freshly sharpened boathook up each nostril is just too good for the likes of them.

Vlad the Impaler was not all wrong!

Rant? Moi?

Geof


JennyMorgan    -- Apr-17-2007 @ 8:29 AM
  Criminal damage should be paid for by the criminal, even if they spend a lifetime paying it.

Re loosing a summer job, in October, sheeesh, what an excuse!

Jenny Morgan,

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/BroadsBill/


B17    -- Apr-18-2007 @ 6:43 PM
  Perry,
" the only people who pick up the tab are us through higher isurence premiums"

And us who moor at Richos thru higher mooring fees to pay for the security patrols.

Dan,

The voice of reason as always.

I too was pleased to see a custodial sentance as I hadnt held out much hope for one.

Rod

You mean the other Starboard then...


Craig    -- Apr-18-2007 @ 9:10 PM
  The report says 6 craft were burnt-out, anyone know which they were, I know of 4 but 2 in the early photos were too far gone to be identifiable:

963F Helen
L850 Mine Mine Mine
978F Rio
B76 Water Gem 3


Craig
http://www.horning.org.uk
http://boats.horning.org.uk
http://broadlandarchive.horning.org.uk


phantom20006    -- Apr-25-2007 @ 2:26 PM
  Here you are found this on craigs fantastic website A Photo of 2006 the yellow one is the Helen But what is the blue one could that be one of the missing ones one of the ones that cought fire

i am your angel of music

This message was edited by phantom20006 on Apr-25-07 @ 4:01 PM


Jonny    -- Apr-25-2007 @ 2:44 PM
  looks like a caribbean or a bermuda

ESOXLUCIEUS  


googs    -- May-12-2007 @ 11:42 PM
  The law is far to soft these days. They sit about there fancy houses and let this scum get away with it. It would be a different ball game if it happen to them. I call the law cowerds

kindest regards


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