Topic: Criminal Damage to boat at Neatishead Staithe


Paladine    -- Jan-4-2022 @ 3:53 PM
 
More for information than anything else, I suppose, but it’s been reported on social media that, overnight on 30/31 December 2021, blue paint was splattered over an occupied private boat which was moored at Neatishead Staithe (along with a couple of other boats).  None of the other boats was targeted.

I’m told that, when the boat arrived at the staithe, there were a number of anglers present, with keep nets out (competition, formal or informal, isn’t known). This information may, or may not, be relevant, although anyone at the staithe at the material time may have information, which I urge them to pass on to Broads Beat. I am not aware of ANY information which would point to the identity of the culprit(s).

There is some information on this incident on FB boating and angling groups, and quite a bit of detail and photos are on NBN. There has been some fruitless speculation on these sites, resulting in comments being blocked. Let’s not go down that route, please.

But just be aware, if you weren’t already, that there are idiots out there. Should anyone have any useful information please inform Broads Beat (who, it seems, were most disinterested) or the Broads No-Authority (who, at least, supplied some solvent to try to remove some of the paint).


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JollyRodger    -- Jan-4-2022 @ 4:11 PM
  Who is the idiot, I wonder? Granted that spewing blue paint over a boat is not, by any imagination, a reasonable response.

What I do wonder, because it's happened to me, is whether there was an alternative mooring space nearby? I have been fishing, quietly minding my own business, when a boat has chosen to moor exactly where I was fishing, despite there being nearby alternatives. It does happen.

I have absolutely no knowledge of the realities of this one but I'm confident that there are probably two sides to this one!

Jolly Roger


Karen&Mike    -- Jan-4-2022 @ 4:15 PM
  I've only recently heard about this too -  don't go on any of the FB groups nor am I a member of any other forums.

Can also say ithat it's a long time since we've moored at Neatishead,  as we generally go into Gays, but this is a worrying situation even if rare, as there have been reported incidents , from time to time, of other issues overnight with moored boats at easily accessible ( by foot) locations. This is more than just antisocial behaviour on this occasion, it is, as you rightly titled your thread, criminal damage.

The poor boat owners must have been very upset for this to happen to their pride and joy, and then be faced with what I imagine is a difficult clean-up job .  I do sincerely hope the perpetrators are caught , for everyone sake, so I would like to reinforce the message from Mr P. in that if anyone has any information at all, even something that seems insignificant,  please do report it. We should all be free to go about our boating hobby without fear of damage like this. Accidents and impacts are a big enough worry as it is!

Karen



"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


Greybeard    -- Jan-4-2022 @ 4:44 PM
  So, absolutely no evidence whatsoever it involved fishermen, but there were some present before it happened, and some present the following day.

trying to work out the reason it has taken place is pointless with only a small part of the event being known.

my grandfather was in ww1,,but I'm pretty sure it wasn't him that started it.




my appearance is down to me, my attitude is down to you.


Paladine    -- Jan-4-2022 @ 4:54 PM
 
No, there is no evidence that anglers were involved, and no-one here has suggested they were. If there had been a group of paddle-boarders there, I would have mentioned them as well. Not to make any insinuations, but to encourage anyone in the area, who might have information, to come forward.

There might be someone, angler, dog walker, bird watcher, whoever, who is unaware that this damage was done, but saw something, or has heard something since, that might be useful. The wider this is known, the more chance there is of that person coming forward.

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Greybeard    -- Jan-4-2022 @ 5:05 PM
  I should have been clearer , I was referring to other media sites.

however it might be good I agree if this one didn't follow that trend, eh.

many unexplained things happen around the various public staithes, boats untied, damaged, electric leads unplugged, etc.

my appearance is down to me, my attitude is down to you.

This message was edited by Greybeard on Jan-4-22 @ 6:08 PM


JollyRodger    -- Jan-4-2022 @ 5:12 PM
  The anglers involved with that particular boat have had their say on a Broads fishing facebook page. Their posting is reasonable and it appears that everybody was entirely amicable.

So what really happened then? Had someone targetted the boat over a grudge following a previous altercation, I wonder?

What appears to be true is that the anglers fishing there at the time are not the culprets.

Jolly Roger


Karen&Mike    -- Jan-4-2022 @ 5:15 PM
  I wonder if the owners have considered asking home owners or businesses nearby what cctv footage they may have for that night ? I'll tell a little story ( true ). A car was stolen overnight . The owners visited all the nearby houses and village pub for cctv footage.  The police had said they would do this and they did eventually,  but it took them two weeks whereas the owners had been all around the area within 36 hours. It's amazing what can be deduced and then pieced together. Also, once they had a rough time, and a direction of travel for the car, they were able to go further along the route and could, with other cctv, and the process of elimination, establish which route the stolen car had taken.  They also established that nobody had come through the village by car for sometime before or after but a person had come to the village on foot just a few minutes before the car was stolen. They didn't then appear at the next cctv at the village pub and there are no other roads to walk down so that person is the likely culprit. This allowed for investigation via cctv further back as it's one road into the village at that point, and armed with a time they established that a person in the same type of clothing had exited a van near a business about 3/4 mile away. The story continues and the car was recovered but written off.

So, seeking evidence is vital, and of course anyone suspected of a crime is innocent until proven guilty but being mentioned or referred to is no accusation, - it is  simply that a picture of what, where, who etc is vital and relevant.  The car victims found that another person who was on cctv was a local resident and actually witnessed the car going out into the main lane but didn't at that point realise it was stolen. So all info collected, all people who may have seen anything, all people who were there before or after, can help build the picture . We all know that surely? There are enough tv detective programmes to demonstrate all info/comment/ surrounding an incident can be extremely relevant for many reasons.

Karen

Edited for dreadful phone keyboard typos! Lol


"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"

This message was edited by Karen&Mike on Jan-4-22 @ 7:15 PM


B17    -- Jan-4-2022 @ 8:57 PM
  JollyRodger

May I ask you for a link to that fishing page.
Would rather public but PM is OK
Thanks


Flag Officer NBF Rtd


JollyRodger    -- Jan-4-2022 @ 9:45 PM
  B17 go to F/B & search for 'Fishing on the Norfolk Broads. I have taken the liberty of lifting a copy of a relevant post:
"Ross Turner
I was fishing at the staithe at the time the boat in question arrived and moored. Although a couple of anglers had to move a few feet no one was really put out and more pertinently no arguments were made from either side. The anglers that were there were elderly, grandfather and grandson, father and son, me and my pal and a husband and wife. I cannot state firmly enough there was absolutely no animosity from any of the anglers on the bank, in fact quite the opposite, the father and son removed their keepnet so the boat could moor without a murmur. Although it must be said the boat owner could have moored in a space where no one would have been disturbed. I too have read all the comments on the forums thread and I have found a lot of the facts to be totally disingenuous.~

Jolly Roger


B17    -- Jan-4-2022 @ 10:20 PM
  Thank you JR


Flag Officer NBF Rtd


Greybeard    -- Jan-5-2022 @ 12:30 AM
  thanks JR, I too had read that account.
a lot different to some of the other  fictitious ramblings.



my appearance is down to me, my attitude is down to you.


Paladine    -- Jan-5-2022 @ 7:22 AM
 
Greybeard, no more speculation, please. I thought we’d agreed that.

None of us, unless we are a witness, is in a position to say what is the truth of this matter.

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Hylander    -- Jan-5-2022 @ 8:20 AM
  That is good to read.    Apart from the odd toss pot and you get them in all walks of life , Anglers are just not like this.  



Women dont nag they just
point
things out...



M


hedgehog    -- Jan-5-2022 @ 8:43 AM
  Karen, can your please ask members to stop referring to folk as “toss pots ‘ as I think this is offensive. Whilst not aiming at certain members , whether I agree with their descriptive opinion or not , I also think that referring to the BA as ‘ Broads No- Authority ‘ is also in poor taste . You seem very quick to respond to some members who dare to speak out of turn yet regularly turn a blind eye to others. It’s everyone’s forum , let’s not have double standards please


Paladine    -- Jan-5-2022 @ 9:05 AM
 
hedgehog, what is offensive about the word 'tosspot'? It simply means 'A drunkard; a toper; a tippler; one habitually given to strong drink.' Plenty of those on the Broads in the summer and in Norwich most weekends.

You may put your own connotation on the word, but Hylander is of an age where it would have been in common use, with its true meaning.

I rebranded the BA as the Broads No-Authority after their disasterous attempt to prevent us using the Broads at the start of the Covid-19 pandemic. As far as I'm concerned, their subsequent behaviour, including planning fiascos, hasn't redeemed them yet.

'Broads No-Authority' as a descriptor certainly has more credence than 'Broads National Park'.

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hedgehog    -- Jan-5-2022 @ 9:35 AM
  Palatine, as I said earlier my post was not a pop at you but more a case of highlighting double standards. Irrespective of ones age we now need to be more careful in the use of certain words that were once acceptable. I’m certainly no snowflake but it seems some folk are pulled up on their use of words, others aren’t. I would like to think that you would be suitably unimpressed if someone were to call you a toss pot  


JollyRodger    -- Jan-5-2022 @ 9:39 AM
  Re the age of certain users of the term 'toss pot', ummm, since Shakespeare used the term in Twelve Night I respectively suggest that a certain contributor is skating on very thin ice!

Jolly Roger


Greybeard    -- Jan-5-2022 @ 10:04 AM
  @palladine,,, seriously??

you inference that it is me who is speculating is utter nonsense.

but to be clear,
you know damn well I was referring to the other forums and the comments and bad mouthing of fishermen with not a shred of evidence to suggest they were in any way responsible.

there have been in addition despite the lack of any evidence suggestions and ideas of damaging anglers tackle and claims of doing so in previous occasions by some.
most of these treads have been closed or removed as they serve no purpose but to antagonise both fishermen and boat owners.

ross turner was actually present at the staithe when the said boat arrived, he states there was no altercation between anyone present.


you appear to be just " poking the hornets nest"
what is it you hope to achieve?
  

my appearance is down to me, my attitude is down to you.

This message was edited by Greybeard on Jan-5-22 @ 11:07 AM


steve    -- Jan-5-2022 @ 10:36 AM
  Folks can you please keep disagreements or complaints to the forum q&a section or pm the individual, please let the threads/ topics keep on track,
Thank you

steve and vicky
( not a broads local,so my views ,knowledge doesn't count )


This message was edited by steve on Jan-6-22 @ 10:34 PM


byrongee    -- Jan-5-2022 @ 2:27 PM
  I'm no fisherman but I suspect that carrying a tin of paint [ blue or otherwise ] would not enhance my fish catching armoury. It appears to me that the perpetrator of the nasty deed is not an angler. Only one boat out of several moored boats vandalised suggests a targeted attack, possibly another boat owner, who knows.
Happy New Year, Brian.

nazdar,
byron


MandA    -- Jan-5-2022 @ 7:08 PM
  Slightly off track,I was looking at the planning portal online the other night to see what the planning situation is in regard to  roof windows it stated that National Parks and the Broads had there own guide lines  so they  definetly  make a distinction.
Adrian.

MandA


flonker    -- Jan-5-2022 @ 9:17 PM
  Slightly off piste Adrian. But there you go!

Dwile Flonker


TerryTibbs    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 9:31 AM
  "I'm no fisherman but I suspect that carrying a tin of paint [ blue or otherwise ] would not enhance my fish catching armoury"

I've seen this and other posts of similar ilk and would like to point out that the paint incident happened several hours after the fisherman left for the evening and who ever did it could easily have returned home, picked up the paint and returned with it.
As a fisherman and a boat owner I am sick of this constant back biting between the 2 groups, the B.A. should ban all fishing from 24 hour moorings at all times, this would also stop selfish boat owners leaving  approx 8ft gaps between boats when mooring to allow them to fish from the bank. That would stop all argument once and for all, assuming of course that the Non Authority has the b@^*s to enforce the restrictions!

if it is to be it is up to me.


Paladine    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 9:59 AM
 
TT, banning bank fishing from all Broads No-Authority moorings would be controversial, but would have my support. But regardless of whether or not the BNA has the gumption (see, that got past the word blocker) to make such a decision, it would need an expensive change to the bye laws, and might well make entering into leasing agreements with the actual mooring owners more difficult.

As we have seen from the Hoveton Great Broad situation, the angling lobby is very powerful, despite not contributing very much to the BNA coffers (when compared to the river tolls). We also know that users of the navigation come very low on the list of BNA priorities.

If push came to shove, there is no doubt in my mind that the BNA would claim that allowing non-boaters free use of the moorings comes within  their statutory duty of "...promoting opportunities for the understanding and enjoyment of the special qualities of the Broads by the public," notwithstanding they have an equal duty of "...protecting the interests of navigation."

However, if that was/is the case, there would be a strong argument for the provision and maintenance of the moorings to be part-funded from the Secretary of State grant, rather than wholly from tolls income.

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JollyRodger    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 10:01 AM
  Mr Tibbs, your comment has merit but I rather suspect that such a ban would create considerable dissent and further division along the rhond so not a move that I would support.  

In the meantime perhaps Plod should be searching out suitably blue front doors or blue boats.  

Jolly Roger


Paladine    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 10:15 AM
 
JollyRodger, boaters have to accept that the fishing platforms provided by the EA, at no additional expense to anglers, cannot be used for mooring - even though the majority of them aren't used for most of the time. That anglers seek to deter boaters from using the facilities that they, the boaters, have paid for is anathema to me.

But, in more than two decades of boating, the only obstreperous angler I have ever encountered was a private boater, who had moored inconsiderately to leave himself enough room to fish (but that wasn't at a BNA mooring).

I don't think Plod will be doing much, other than filing the crime report.

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TerryTibbs    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 10:19 AM
  Pally and JR, I take both your points but would point out that such bans do currently exist at Beccles Norwich and Oulton Yacht stations and Anglers tend to stick to them and fish from their boats, yes it would be unpopular but would be easier to enforce than the "Anglers must give way" policy that is currently in play. Something needs to be done and as I say I am an Angler 1st and a boater second and even I see it.

p.s. Pally the grawlixes were my own censorship.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.

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JollyRodger    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 10:19 AM
  Paladine wrote:

"However, if that was/is the case, there would be a strong argument for the provision and maintenance of the moorings to be part-funded from the Secretary of State grant, rather than wholly from tolls income."

That point also applies to dredging, much of which is conservation based, e.g. the bank reinstatement at Hickling. Conservation issues certainly impact on the disposal of spoil.

Some years ago the then Secretary of State granted the Broads Authority £1.5m for the purpose of catching up on the Authority's maintenance backlog. So what did he do? Wasted much of it on vanity projects such as the ill fated Dragonfly House and an unacceptable spike in staff numbers.   .

Jolly Roger


TerryTibbs    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 10:27 AM
  "Some years ago the then Secretary of State granted the Broads Authority £1.5m for the purpose of catching up on the Authority's maintenance backlog. So what did he do? Wasted much of it on vanity projects such as the ill fated Dragonfly House and an unacceptable spike in staff numbers."
Sadly people forget such things and of course who remember the £460k spent on moving from Dragonfly House to the Fully Refurbished offices they currently occupy, Nobody has ever explained how you can spend that much money moving into offices that are already Fully Refurbished and rental paid on them being in that condition.

if it is to be it is up to me.


JollyRodger    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 10:37 AM
  Re the provision of angling platforms paid for by the EA, generally, that is financed out of fishing licence income.

Beccles Yacht Station, and perhaps Norwich, allows fishing out of season, Oct 30th until March 14th. Oulton Broad YS is surrounded by alternatives.

Granted that 24hr moorings are financed by the toll but in most instances, such moorings have been built where previously anglers freely fished.

The rights to navigate, to access the water, to moor and to fish must surely be defended, within reason.  

Jolly Roger


Jean&Brian    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 10:40 AM
  Gents as there is no evidence of anglers being responsible in this and with JRs post along with the nature and timing it happened indicating otherwise can we please avoid another us and them argument.

I am in both camps as most will know, we moored and I  fished there recently along with other boats and anglers and we all got along just fine.

There was another case there recently of a boat being set loose along with incidents at Irstead, Gays Staithe
and Barton Turf all late at night when this time of year no anglers are likely to be present.

           Brian


JollyRodger    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 10:50 AM
  Terry, thanks for the reminder re the move to Yare House. JP's justification was twofold, what would be saved by moving from Dragonfly House and what it cost to furnish and adapt the building to the Authority's needs. Mustn't forget the costs for three officers to stay in London whilst searching out fixtures, fittings and plush office furniture. The man was like a kid in a sweet shop with a bottomless debit card!
  

Jolly Roger


TerryTibbs    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 11:01 AM
  JR, I remember what he said, the cost saving in no way explains the cost in moving it try's to justify it. I'm not sure how many people are employed actually in HO but lets be generous and say 35 (I'm sure its much less) , that is £13100 per head. Bearing in mind that all the office furniture computer systems telephones etc were brand new when moving into Dragonfly house I still find it hard to comprehend.

if it is to be it is up to me.


JollyRodger    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 2:14 PM
  Terry, I could in no way justify the costs of moving to Yare House, nor the alleged savings. Like others, I did look closely but two and two did not add up to four, or even three and a half for that matter. Devious and creative justification became the order of the day and trust in the BA took a further battering.

Jolly Roger


JollyRodger    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 2:27 PM
  The people that work at Yare House:
https://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/239427/Organisation-Chart-07.12.21.pdf

Jolly Roger


spiderman    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 4:14 PM
  You've lost me now, I thought this thread was about damage to a boat??


JollyRodger    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 4:39 PM
  You have a point!

From a damaged boat to a profligate quango, agreed, hard to relate! Sorry.  

Jolly Roger


Bernard    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 5:06 PM
  Doesn't the Broads Authority get a government grant, if so doesn’t every tax payer help pay for the BA moorings?


Paladine    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 6:08 PM
 
No, the government grant is for the first of the three BNA duties. The rules, such as they are, do not permit any of that money to be spent on the navigation.

Navigation income from tolls is only supposed to be spent on the navigation. The navigation income for any year is supposed to balance with navigation expenditure, but creative accounting means that there has been an inexorable increase of the navigation expenditure that disappears into expenses that can hardly be justified as 'navigation expenditure'.

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BELLA    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 6:54 PM
  Spiderman, looks like your comment has fell on death ears. Once BA bashing enters a topic there is no stopping it, it comes under its own rule. Would have thought that the original poster would have stepped in as he doesn’t like posts to go off topic.


Paladine    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 7:11 PM
 
Bella, I thought it was polite to answer a member's question. Your post didn't exactly help the discussion on the original topic. But, hey ho, let's get back on topic, shall we, if you have any pertinent comment to make.

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BELLA    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 8:19 PM
  Paladine, I thought that it was polite to answer a Members question.
I thought that I had helped the discussion by answering spiderman’s Question. But, hey ho, lets get back on topic, shall we, unless you have any more impertinent comments to make.

Paladine, I wholeheartedly respect you and read and appreciate all the knowledge that you bring to this forum but when there is a chance within a discussion it is changed to BA Bashing and in my opinion it seems the same old gripes, again and again.
I know it’s not always you who starts it but I think that many of the BA
bashers look up to you as their leader.

Steve had asked earlier in the discussion that it was kept on topic.



flonker    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 10:07 PM
  BA bashing is relentless. It seems to invade every topic. I have been on the rivers and its broads for many years. All those years ago it was good. It still is good.

No organisation is perfect. I have worked for several private company's some, if not most, the most dysfunctional lot you have come across.

The BA has maintained the Broads as it was years ago, in my mind quite an achievement.

There are those who wish to change this quango to an elected body. Or indeed to a different organisation.

However I cannot support you. My mind is not clear exactly that which you would choose.

I cannot find, have not found, within your destructive critisicm a positive conclusion ever!



Dwile Flonker


spiderman    -- Jan-6-2022 @ 10:33 PM
  Come on lads, focus, you can do it.
Remember, Blue paint?.

LOL

And I thought dry January was hard going.
Playful Wink


steve    -- Jan-7-2022 @ 5:16 AM
  Folks , you wont know this but there was a lot of background work to get this topic on the forum by the mods , as we didn't want this topic to go the way as elsewhere of going of track , arguing etc then getting locked / removed , one mod ( I won't name them ) went out there way to make this topic happen here , so folks one last time please , please try keep it on track , none of us want to lock this thread down ,
Thank you

steve and vicky
( not a broads local,so my views ,knowledge doesn't count )


TerryTibbs    -- Jan-7-2022 @ 9:04 AM
  I'll honour your request Steve but it sails in the face of a long rich history of threads going off topic on this forum, one that has been indulged and even contributed to by the Mod team. A sad day IMHO.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.


Paladine    -- Jan-7-2022 @ 9:50 AM
 
A sad day, TT? Perhaps, but it pales into insignificance when compared to the obvious trauma the owners of the boat that was senselessly vandalised by a moronic individual (or individuals) must have suffered. Bad enough that the boat was deliberately damaged, but that it was done while the owners were asleep on board...

(Sorry, I seem to have returned to the topic  Smile  )

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TerryTibbs    -- Jan-7-2022 @ 10:15 AM
  Absolutely agree Pally, my heart goes out to the owners, we don't know the full story but as a specific boat has been targeted and others there at the time not, I would suggest that someone has a beef with that particular person. Now nothing justifies criminal damage but there are usually 2 sides to every story (well 3 if you consider the truth to be a side) I would like to hear the story behind it and keeping posts front and centre may actually lead to someone coming forward with information that leads to the truth and the culprit.
Without being able to judge or take sides on the potential causes it's hard to see any further comments being made on this thread and it will quickly disappear off the screen and out of peoples thoughts. At least by letting the thread drift to a wider discussion area it would keep it on the front page and as the Mods justification was to keep the topic fresh in peoples minds it seems perverse to stifle the thread in this way. As I say if you look back over the years threads have drifted over a number of subjects many totally unrelated to the OP, that was what the forum was all about.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.


JollyRodger    -- Jan-7-2022 @ 10:30 AM
  Whilst I can not agree with Flonker I certainly can with both Dave's and Paladine's recent postings. I don't suppose that we shall ever know the answer but I do wonder what could possibly have induced such inexcusable behaviour.

Re us BA Bashers, no such thing back in the days of Prof. Aitken Clark, Dr Packman's predecessor. Draw your own conclusions on that one. I do wonder what the Broads of today would be like if there were no 'bashers', if Dr Packman had been entirely free to implement his vision and subsequently gain the total control that he clearly aspired to. What if the Broads Bill had passed through Parliament without opposition, and the Broads had actually become a national park complete with Sandford? Thank goodness for 'bashers'.

Jolly Roger


Paladine    -- Jan-7-2022 @ 10:37 AM
 
JollyRodger, I've done my best to return the thread to the topic. Please start your own thread if you want to discuss something else and don't hi-jack mine!

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