Topic: Single parents barred!


bikerinky    -- Feb-11-2018 @ 10:11 AM
  Had a phone call from Richardson's Friday to inform me I WON'T be allowed to hire from this year on, due to insurance not covering single parents with children under the age of 18!! I have been going to the broads since 1961, and the last 5 as a single parent with my 2 boys now aged 14 and 15. The only way I can do it is to take another adult, not as easy as you may first think, as I said I been going boating a long time and never have I worried about being the only adult. It's actually much the same as going solo, which I might add, they still allow!!
The caller mentioned a few other yards are in the same boat, excuse the pun, just wondered if all hire yards are following this new request, law? from Richardson's

Ian boating since 1961


GaryCantley    -- Feb-11-2018 @ 10:36 AM
  That's scandalous.

I bet big groups of single sex are still allowed although they will cause a lot more damage, in general, than the single parent family.

Let's hope you get something sorted.

Gary.

Cantley
Computers


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bikerinky    -- Feb-11-2018 @ 10:44 AM
  Thanks Gary
It certainly pi**Ed off my boys when I told them. Just hoping someone here may be able to list a few yards that still allow it. Only used Rico's cos their cheap and others may be out of my price range. Mainly because I have to go in school summer break

Ian boating since 1961


GaryCantley    -- Feb-11-2018 @ 10:48 AM
  Get under sail, I'm sure Eastwood Whelpton would accommodate you and the boys and they would get to pull the bits of string to keep the boat moving. Smile

Gary.

Cantley
Computers


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and in the morning,
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bikerinky    -- Feb-11-2018 @ 11:19 AM
  Gary
Lol good idea but I see sailing as a little too much effort. I struggle to get the boys to put their tablets down or to get their life jackets on let alone helping with the rigging!
I have sailed a dinghy but not proficient enough to handle a proper yacht and much prefer sitting at the helm with a cuppa just cruising.....
Just thought I'd add my boys are not the sort to be rushing around being careless, they are positive angels when aboard (well almost)

Ian boating since 1961


GaryCantley    -- Feb-11-2018 @ 11:45 AM
  I know what you're saying about the tablets but have you asked the boys if they would like it?

Never know, they may enjoy it more than sat in the back playing on tablets.

It's not for everyone but.....

Gary.

Cantley
Computers


At the going down of
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and in the morning,
we will
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Marshman    -- Feb-11-2018 @ 12:03 PM
  I would suggest Richardsons actually change their insurance company or suggest to them, that if they do not wish to insure them, then so be it!!

Have you spoken to Richardsons? Not one of the booking people but to management? Why is being on a boat more risky than taking children to Center Parcs or even a package holiday with a pool? Or the seaside? Indeed I would take it further and discuss it with the Insurance Ombudsman as well!!

Something a bit odd here.....!!!



steve    -- Feb-11-2018 @ 12:55 PM
  Hi there ,
Sorry to hear your bad news , but your gain there loss , personally I'd try a few other hire boat yards , why not try the recent new hire boat yard at acle , the broads boat company , can be found also on this link.    http://the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=22&Topic=39867

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


Nigel    -- Feb-11-2018 @ 1:09 PM
  Hi Bikerinky.
Whilst some Broads yards do require two adults, others are happy to accommodate single handed hirers or one adult and one under 18 provided the boat is one which is small enough to be safely handled short handed and provided the hirer has previous experience. We hold a full list of boats and yards that would accept your booking (which includes Acle, Wroxham, Martham and Horning) - all of which have live availability and prices on Waterways Holidays or give us a quick call on 01252 796400

Nigel

www.waterwaysholidays.com


bikerinky    -- Feb-11-2018 @ 9:08 PM
  Thank you all for your responses, I've been surfing around and come to the conclusion that no one is as cheap as Rico's. Terms and conditions, hw actually specify no single parents, other's t's and C's are six pages long and some say you're advised to take out your own insurance, wtf!!! So still none the wiser as to who would and who wouldn't allow me to hire. So I'm now left with finding available boats within certain times, ringing each yard before I book on line to be told later I can't go...such a pain in the *rs*. As one of you said earlier, what's the difference between center parks, the beach, swimming pools or boats...... jeez, wish it was still the 70's

Ian boating since 1961


bikerinky    -- Feb-11-2018 @ 9:13 PM
  Just had another thought. Last year when I went into Rico's office to pick up Orion, I was told to 'wait there a minute' while we check you're allowed as you are an all male party, I nearly passed out then too

Ian boating since 1961


Jeremy-Aslan    -- Feb-11-2018 @ 10:38 PM
  Another place to try would be Martham Boats.  
Reasonably priced, and absolutely wonderful woodies. (They even have a USB charging socket for powering essential electronic devices!)

A Janet or a Judith might suit your party, and I'm sure they'd be only to happy to accommodate you and your boys.

Hiring from Martham also gives you access to some peaceful waters that you may not have visited so often in hire craft from other yards, so quiet above 'The Bridge' Smile  


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spiderman    -- Feb-18-2018 @ 10:51 AM
  Word has got round, this has appeared on Instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfVHamdBZu9/


Paladine    -- Feb-18-2018 @ 11:03 AM
 
There's a lot of adverse criticism on Facebook, as well. Many hirers are, understandably. rather annoyed.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


PeggyD    -- Feb-18-2018 @ 12:34 PM
  It's hard work being a single parent without being punished for it! I've been there twice due to marriage breakdown.  People still seem to assume that children from single parent families are all badly behaved,mini crime waves on legs! When I tried to book my first holiday on the Broads back in 2009,Blakes wouldn't take bookings from single parent families but Hoseasons left it up to the individual boat yards. Summercraft in Hoveton happily took my booking! Had such a wonderful holiday with my 11 and 13 year olds that I caught the Broads bug! We just had Glitter Girl,their smallest boat.

Love from Pegs


ruby    -- Feb-18-2018 @ 5:14 PM
  Hi Peggy

I understand why people are cross but I don't think it Is anything to do with children's behaviour good or bad.
I suspect an insurance company has looked at the risk if a single adult falls overboard  and leaves an expensive boat in the hands of one or two young children and have decided to make the premiums prohibitive for the hire company.

Hence the new policy being introduced.  That at least some seems logical if somewhat harsh.

Have fun

Graham


Dilligaf    -- Feb-18-2018 @ 6:23 PM
  Only one thing for it then, you'll have to buy a boat.....
You know you want to!

Dave.
Formerly 'LeoMagill'


Paladine    -- Feb-18-2018 @ 8:24 PM
 
"I suspect an insurance company has looked at the risk..."

Clive Richardson has said, on Facebook, that it is nothing to do with insurance. They are simply following Hoseason's (new?) policy.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


This message was edited by Paladine on Feb-18-18 @ 8:50 PM


Islander    -- Feb-18-2018 @ 8:42 PM
  Bikerinky, have you tried Freedom boats at Thorpe St Andrew..
Whoever you try, it may help if you tell them your boys ages. They are not young children and more than able to handle a rope.
Best of luck with your booking
Colin Cheers

P.s. Just had a look at Freedoms site. They have boats available early July from about £500 wk. Hope this is of some help.


ruby    -- Feb-18-2018 @ 8:43 PM
  Large companies do not usually change policies without there being a financial driver particularly a policy  which will upset a lot of people.

Graham


steve    -- Feb-18-2018 @ 8:57 PM
  "Clive  Richardson has said, on Facebook, that it is nothing to do with insurance. They are simply following Hoseason's (new?) policy " does Hoseasons now insure there clients fleet  or tell them who can and can't hire there boats ? I'm sure Richardsons also run independent and take bookings direct also without hoseasons ? I'd like Clive Richardson or hoseasons explain to us here how they've come to this ?

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


This message was edited by steve on Feb-19-18 @ 7:15 AM


newton7    -- Feb-19-2018 @ 5:52 AM
  On dear what is next a ban on solo hirers in General I've been mostly a solo hirer for 40 years...please take note richardsons as you are the company i am loyal to ...40 years of hiring with you

ROBBIE
STINKIES UNITED


boat-mad    -- Feb-19-2018 @ 8:52 AM
  Considering the first time I hired a boat our entire crew were 16 years of age it seems rather extreme to be penalised until over the age of 18.

I can understand the possible dangers with a single adult having very young children as it may not be so easy.  Especially mooring up and keeping an eye on the children at the same time. Having said I believe that a 14 or 15 year old IMHO could prove a useful crew member.

Maybe single hirers may are more accepted that they don't have the possible distraction of looking after little ones.

Good luck bikerinky.  I am sure you will find a boatyard that welcomes you and your family.


Kind Regards
Alan...
www.mynorfolkbroadsboating.co.uk/


This message was edited by boat-mad on Feb-19-18 @ 8:53 AM


bikerinky    -- Feb-19-2018 @ 10:28 AM
  morning all
islander, yes ive booked song of freedom though the talk i had with Nicky had suggested i couldnt hire a large boat??
what is the difference??
every time ive hired even with a partner, i have done it all solo... the largest being silver scirroco.
i am sure i heard the man talk about insurance as a reason against single parents.
i could understand if it were first time hirers, but ive been going there since before most of them were even born!!!!

Ian boating since 1961


Dreamer    -- Feb-19-2018 @ 10:47 AM
  My understanding is that solo hirers are no longer by allowed by Richardson’s as well as single parents. There do seem to be however several boatyards quite willing to accept both sets of hirers and they will be the ones to benefit. Good for them, I hope sanity prevails!


annville    -- Feb-19-2018 @ 11:46 AM
  Dos this apply to day boats? they are much more unstable then larger boats.John


Charlesa    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 7:46 AM
  As Jeremy-Aslan said, try Helen and Diane at Martham.
I emailed them last week to confirm that they are happy to hire to solo or single parent customers and they confirmed that they are ( which is lucky as generally my family won't come with me !!!)



Best wishes, Charles


steve    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 7:54 AM
  I believe bikerinky now has a boat for there break as posted above , but still no real answers or reasons why Richardsons and other hireboat yards that taking this path with turning down single parents or solo hirers , still seems very strange with no answers ?

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


Dibbler    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 8:38 AM
  One can only hope that this myopic, discriminatory and thoroughly abborent approach will smack Richardson hard in his over-stuffed pocket. Mad

John


steve    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 9:57 AM
  Thing is John , if this is the start of things to follow , what's next ? Solo hirers , single sex parties ,  school  / youth club parties ,even disabled ?

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


PTOOMBS    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 12:10 PM
  This is very sweeping and discriminatory.I have seen single handlers handle and moor boats with such skill and care  that we have looked on with awe and admiration. However, we have also witnessed just the opposite from private owners who have huge boats which  are totally unsuitable for the Broads. Last year we were moored on the way to Beccles when this huge trawler like boat called Tulis I think came into moor. He was completely out of control and if my husband hadn't vert quickly moved us out of the way we would have been smashed to pieces. The skipper freely admitted that he couldn't handle it on his own and accepted what could have happened.Maybe the insurers of private boats should put restrictions on them helming single handed.

Regards Pauline


ruby    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 1:07 PM
  HI Pauline

I think in a round a bout way they do. My insurance asked me for my experience and skills in managing boats similar to mine .

I presumed  they expect people who have many years experience not to do anything stupid  along th lines you describe but load the premiums of new owners accordingly.

Have fun

Graham


bikerinky    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 1:13 PM
  pauline
ive no wish to blow my own trumpet, but im going to anyway
last year i was at the watering post ludham, once topped up i saw a space 100 odd yards back up stream, so rather than turn around i reversed all the way passing quite a few moored boats. one fella said b*gg*r me i cant make my boat go FORWARDS that straight!!!
have to say orion handles like a dream

Ian boating since 1961

This message was edited by bikerinky on Feb-20-18 @ 1:14 PM


steve    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 1:50 PM
  Well searching round for answers still I've found that yes Richardsons have stopped solo hirers and cancelled there bookings along side single parents , also this from Clive Richardson
" this change will bring us in line with our agents standard, it has not been forced and is not due to insurance.

over the years we have had to bring in measures like stability tests and canopy procedures due to problems at other yards, these are reactive measures,

we would rather make a change before a problem,  it is the prerogative of the other yards to take on the risk and allow single adult hires. "


We are doing our best to upgrade and accommodate all affected parties but unfortunately you can't please all the people all the time but most customers have been understanding

if you are a regular  hirer you will have seen the boat acceptance certificate grow its content about 400% over the last 10 years,  this is a reflection of the world we live in. "


Barnes brinkcraft and bridgecraft are accepting single parent families and solo hirers ( note both hoseasons )


steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


This message was edited by steve on Feb-20-18 @ 2:02 PM


Paladine    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 1:54 PM
 
"We are doing our best to upgrade and accommodate all affected parties..."

So you're a single parent, whose booking has been cancelled. How on earth can you be upgraded or accommodated?

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


steve    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 1:58 PM
  Pally , as said elsewhere you'll be upgraded if you can find another partner / adult to come with you , by then no doubt the boat would of already been gone , ??

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


PTOOMBS    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 2:27 PM
  Hi Ian

Yes I can believe that.We have an Ocean 30 which is the same hull as Orion , and yes they handle very well especially at slow speeds. We have a bow thruster on ours  . We are not that confident! Going back to how some single handlers have impressed us. Some years ago before we bought our own boat we were moored at Barton Turf.Along came a Bounty 30 called Cloud Nine. He moored that boat with such precision that it really stuck in our minds. On owning our own boat we had a berth in Richardsons wet shed.Who should moor up alongside but  Cloud Nine with again precision stern mooring. We did not recognise the boat but the skipper. He was that impressive .To my knowledge he always skippered alone. Going back to the insurance for private owners we have never been asked about our experience. We have been boating for many years but still not that good!We just go very slow!

Regards Pauline


Paladine    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 2:44 PM
 
Ah, yes, Cloud Nine. The owner was a member here for a number of years. That was probably the best Bounty 30 on the Broads. Sadly, he sold up a few years ago. The boat is still around though.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


VetChugger    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 3:08 PM
  I'll join in the "skill boast" although I think it was more the boats fault than mine! I managed to reverse a "Juliette" the full length of Horsey Dyke with boats moored all along! This was in one go, not stopping to straighten up! I was well pleased and got a round of applause! As I hinted at though, these boats are a joy to helm.

Trevor


bikerinky    -- Feb-20-2018 @ 3:58 PM
  vet chugger
yes it certainly feels good when you get it right, i always reverse into neatishead, albeit slowly and rarely touch another boat. mind you, you feel a complete idiot when it goes wrong!! but slowly slowly, no one notices

Ian boating since 1961


newton7    -- Feb-21-2018 @ 12:09 PM
  Well that's it after 42 years of hiring with richardsons i had to cancel my September holiday for two weeks....richardsons  have informed me as a solo boater i am no longer welcome to holiday with them....I'm absolutely disgusted and it has not only left a sour taste in my mouth it has put me off coming to norfolk...so much for loyalty ...the holiday companies are help bent on self destruction....goodbye Richardson's and good luck Mad

ROBBIE
STINKIES UNITED


steve    -- Feb-21-2018 @ 12:18 PM
  Hi Robbie ,
Robbie please don't let this outfit put you of the broads , please read back to my post , there are other hireboat companies accepting solo hirers , you're not alone as other solo boaters have are experiencing the same as you ,

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


ruby    -- Feb-21-2018 @ 12:42 PM
  That's a shame. It does seem inexplicable that this change has been bought in with no explanation ( I am sorry a change in policy just doesn't cut the mustard ) and in effect retrospectively . Ie they are cancelling bookings already taken rather than introducing it for new bookings.

A complete pr disaster as well as upsetting a lot of loyal customers.


FishersHaven    -- Feb-21-2018 @ 12:47 PM
  Also puzzled by the ban on solo hirers.
If competent, and I can't imagine someone incompetent wishing to hire alone then less wear and tear on the boat than with a full complement. Can see the difficulty if one parent has small children aboard, falling in, leaving no-one with them, but not with older children who could be taught what to do in an emergency. We have seen children in many frightening situations on boats with a full complement of adults and no-one watching them (conversation goes 'look at that...' 'just don't watch'). A single parent may well be more aware of the need to supervise properly because no-one else will be there to do so.

We love the Broads


Dreamer    -- Feb-21-2018 @ 2:41 PM
  Robbie, looking elsewhere I see that Freedom Boats will still hire to solo hirers. They seem to be taking a far more practical view. All is not lost, Richo’s loss will be another boatyard’s gain.


bikerinky    -- Feb-21-2018 @ 4:42 PM
  Dreamer
yes ive hired song of freedom but initially they were saying i could only hire their smaller boats, luckily it was the one i wanted. but see no difference between a 30' or a 42'......one steering wheel, two ropes easy peasy to me

Ian boating since 1961


newton7    -- Feb-22-2018 @ 6:40 AM
  Well now I have calmed down and stopped throwing dummys out of the pram i called barnes brinkcraft and within 10 minutes booked the same dates as the holiday cancelled by Richardson's...I've booked brinks jazz and barnes could not be more helpful.richardsons take note.I've found a new to me boatyard and my loyalty had changed....for this i make no apology...Richardson's should look into the issue of some stag partys that cause mayhem for other boaters or do they provide to much income....instead of getting rid of solo boaters...you really are shooting yourselves in the foot....thank you barnes brinkcraft??

ROBBIE
STINKIES UNITED


steve    -- Feb-22-2018 @ 7:20 AM
  Glad you got sorted Robbie , let's hope other cancellations all get a hireboats to ,  

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


Paladine    -- Feb-22-2018 @ 9:10 AM
 
Just for the record, as finding anything on Facebook after a few days is nigh on impossible, this is what Clive Richardson has posted there:

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"I’m not replying anyone here in a business capacity, it’s simply an explanation.

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We have aligned ourselves with the policy of our agent as we feel it is correct, accidents can happen and inevitably will, we feel that it is unnecessary and unfair ask our staff to decide who to allow on our boats, as it is difficult to decide who is competent and who is not.

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if the solo adult has a heart attack or falls in or over how does that leave children on board or what happens to the line individual, it is (in my opinion) not fair to put the onus on any team member to make this call, unfortunately there will be bookings lost but in the event of a problem at least we will not be seen to put profit ahead of customers safety.

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Who decides who is competent, is it the person on the phone, the member of staff who retires next year, the person you like or the one who you upset? Or do you just keep asking different staff members until you get the right answer?

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Insurance is not a factor or issue."


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"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


This message was edited by Paladine on Feb-22-18 @ 9:11 AM


steve    -- Feb-22-2018 @ 10:15 AM
  " if the solo adult has a heart attack or falls in or over how does that leave children on board or what happens to the line individual, it is (in my opinion) not fair to put the onus on any team member to make this call, unfortunately there will be bookings lost but in the event of a problem at least we will not be seen to put profit ahead of customers safety. "
In other words he's made that  decision , hope your staff on the reception are saying this fully to those who yet to get the call cancelling there holiday ," instead of due to insurance reasons "

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


Paladine    -- Feb-22-2018 @ 10:53 AM
 
I wonder if this will spread to the hire car industry. 'Sorry you can't hire a car, you might have a heart attack.'

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


BELLA    -- Feb-22-2018 @ 10:54 AM
  If Richardson’s are that concerned about their customers welfare they had better stop hiring to couples as well.
If I had a heart attack on board one of their boats and I fell in my wife would panic and not know what to do.

Where does it end?


BELLA    -- Feb-22-2018 @ 11:01 AM
  Where does it end?

Age limit, upper and lower.
Mobility, disabilities.
Health, Doctors certificate required.


steve    -- Feb-22-2018 @ 11:06 AM
  Funny you mention that Pally , few years back I wanted to hire a van to clear out our boat as we sold it , as I couldn't loose time at work , my father in law stepped in to help with my other half , but the hire vechile company said " that we do not hire our vechiles out to people over the age of 65 " I wasn't impressed , but when I enquirered with other rental companies I mentioned this and they all said what utter nonsense and was happy to hire us a van ,

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


Paladine    -- Feb-22-2018 @ 11:26 AM
 
Clicking on this link will open a report, published by the BA in 2015, which contains an analysis of deaths and injuries reported to them since 1993 (scroll down to Table 1 on page 6).

The most number of boat-related fatalities in any one year was 6 in 2003. In most years the number is 1, 2 or 3. In 6 of those years, there were none reported.

While any death is tragic, considering the number of boaters (hirers and owners) who are out on the water in any one year, those figures hardly support Richardson’s actions.


"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


Karen&Mike    -- Feb-22-2018 @ 1:00 PM
  Good job Mr Richardson is not an Insurance Underwriter. He has seriously over assessed the risk!

Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


newton7    -- Feb-23-2018 @ 12:26 PM
  Latest update I've just received a letter today saying the terms and conditions are being brought in line with the agent and it is now compulsory to have two adults on board their boats ...with a sincere apology...fair enough...to little to late....for my inconvenience they have given a voucher for 50 pounds...which I'm afraid has added even more of a bitter taste to my already sour mouth.  Your loss is barnes brinkcraft gain and I will not be holidaying with richardsons again...sorry if i sound bitter and angry...i am...if any of the forum members can use this voucher pm me and on a first come basis you can have it...give me an address i can send it to ??

ROBBIE
STINKIES UNITED


steve    -- Feb-23-2018 @ 1:44 PM
  "In line with the agent " but Barnes brinkcraft and bridgecraft use the same agent ,there not cancelling holidays for there customers ,

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


Dzign    -- Feb-23-2018 @ 3:40 PM
  Robbie the voucher isn't by any chance to be used against the hiring of a boat is it..

L


newton7    -- Feb-23-2018 @ 4:23 PM
  You bet it's off a future broads holiday....they have got to be kidding

ROBBIE
STINKIES UNITED


newton7    -- Feb-24-2018 @ 4:56 AM
  Hi if nobody wants the voucher i will send it back to richardsons addressed to clive and a letter of why I and others feel hard done by...and then i am going to forget this sorry episode and look forward to my holiday with barnes ?????

ROBBIE
STINKIES UNITED


DAVIDH    -- Feb-24-2018 @ 9:13 AM
  Robbie,

If it can definitely be used by anyone why not put it on Ebay say for £20. That way you benefit and the person who buys it benefits. Must say if you consider that many of the bookings will have been made by people who have no option but to cruise on their own, a voucher for £50 against a future holiday is just rubbing their noses in it.


Tim    -- Mar-2-2018 @ 3:10 PM
  I just hope this publicity won't lead to chancers lying on their booking details, if they turn up on a Saturday afternoon and there isn't two ABLE BODIED adults over 18 they won't be getting a boat.

Many Thanks Tim

This message was edited by Tim on Mar-2-18 @ 3:13 PM


newton7    -- Mar-3-2018 @ 5:27 AM
  There is no reason to lie....just book with barnes or freedom boats or others that allow solo boaters...richardsons loss

ROBBIE
STINKIES UNITED


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