Topic: Rules on driinking


philipt740    -- May-27-2016 @ 12:27 PM
  My wife has just read up on the rules about skippering a boat and drinking.  She's been readiing boatdrinking - GovYou and as we both understand even if the boat is moored for the night its the same law as if you was to drive a car that apply.  I agree with the laws whilst cruising but to be restricted to 2 pints with an evening meal coupled with an overnight mooring puts me off slightly.  I don't like the sound of going on holiday and not being able to have a decent beer or wine in the evening.

This message was edited by philipt740 on May-27-16 @ 1:31 PM


Paladine    -- May-27-2016 @ 12:43 PM
 
Your wife's time would be better spent reading the Broads Authority's Navigation Bye Laws, which can be found here http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/399230/Navigation_Byelaws_1995-1.pdf

The laws relating to the use of vehicles on roads do NOT apply to boating on the Broads. Specifically, the bye law restriction on drink and drugs is contained in Bye Law 83, which says:

"A person shall not navigate a vessel whilst under the influence of drink or drugs to such an extent as to be incapable of taking proper control of the vessel."

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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Sheque1    -- May-27-2016 @ 12:45 PM
  There is absolutely no way anyone would check you for alcohol moored up on the broads. Unless you've been previously bouncing down the river hitting every boat in sight.

On the land some errant copper might nick you for sleeping in your car in a pub car Park. They don't go on caravan sites and give you a breath test parked up in your motor caravan.

Neither the police nor the River Inspectors oops Rangers will bother you moored up and unless weaving dangerously on the river while cruising they won't stop you there either.

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kfurbank    -- May-27-2016 @ 12:47 PM
  Philip,

There are no set limits for alcohol consumption like there is for the road. The only byelaw for the Broads regarding this issue is that you must not be under the influence of drink, or drugs to such an extent as to be able to take proper control of the vessel.

So there are definitely no limits once moored up, and only very loose limits when under way. Having said that alcohol and water do not mix, so best to stick to a couple during the daytime and then relax properly once moored up for the night. Cheers

Happy to support the honest and reliable pubs and businesses of The Norfolk Broads.


Coriolis    -- May-27-2016 @ 12:50 PM
  Drink is the devil's work and should be stamped out before all society goes to hell in a handcart...

But seriously, if by some means everyone over the driving limit whilst moored up was magically removed, there would be precious few boats moving in the morning.

Fully support 'sober whist moving and until properly secured in a safe place' but after that it's your home, so do as you would there and don't fret....nobody's going to test anyone on a moored boat.

Always a good idea to keep someone with wits in case something needs to be attended to, but otherwise relax and enjoy a glass if you wish.


Paladine    -- May-27-2016 @ 12:50 PM
 
Another valuable resource of information is previous posts on the forum, which can be found using the blue-bounded Search button, to the right of the login/logout button. For example, this subject was discussed in some depth 4 months ago http://the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=44&Topic=38114&srow=1&erow=10

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


boat-mad    -- May-27-2016 @ 1:05 PM
  Hi Philip,

I have been regularly hiring boats on The Norfolk Broads for the last 46 years and would not continue to do so if  I was restricted as to what I can drink once I have moored up for the night.

I believe the law on drinking alcohol whilst in charge of a boat is more lax than being in charge of a car on the road and as far as I am aware breathalysers are not in use on The Broads. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The following is a link to The Broads Authority Byelaws.
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/399230/Navigation_Byelaws_1995-1.pdf

Below is an extract from the said Broads Authority Byelaws PDF.

"Drinks and Drugs 83.
A person shall not navigate a vessel whilst under the influence of drink or drugs to such an extent as to be incapable of taking proper control of the vessel."

Sorry if I'm repeating stuff already stated but there were no responses to post when I started typing.


Kind Regards
Alan...
www.mynorfolkbroadsboating.co.uk/


This message was edited by boat-mad on May-27-16 @ 2:07 PM


ncsl    -- May-27-2016 @ 1:52 PM
  When boat loads of girls in bikinis start looking like this - then that is time you know you have had enough!


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Mercator    -- May-27-2016 @ 2:34 PM
  Only you, M'Lud ...... only you  LOL

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Hylander    -- May-27-2016 @ 2:34 PM
  Blooming heck that lot would frighten the horses.

Having a relaxing drink at the end of the day is part of going on holiday on the Broads, if you couldn't drink we wouldn't be going on the Broads and I would say that would apply to 99% of folk.

Having an alcoholic drink or two or three does not equate to going out on the lash.      

On that note -  

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hedgehog    -- May-27-2016 @ 2:36 PM
  Everything in moderation usually works. I sometimes worry when this type of thread appears on this forum as I believe that the more it is advertised  then the more it will be seen to be frowned upon .( only by some may I add ). Like parts of the broads, some things are best kept hush !!


philipt740    -- May-27-2016 @ 3:38 PM
  I actually think my wife is starting to panic a little; she's a bit nervous when it comes to the 'unknown' and we're having a trip to Wroxham tomorrow to check out cruisers.  If she still feels uncomfortable about the whole situation after seeing several vessels for herself maybe a holiday cottage with the use of a day boat will be a good compromise.


Hylander    -- May-27-2016 @ 4:19 PM
  As a 70 year old granny please don't think that people on the Broads drink irresponsibly because it is just not so.


Please hire a boat,  we are hiring in June,  for goodness sake there is nothing to be concerned about.  My advice is don't moor at pubs,  take your food with you,  moor early and relax,  do you fish.

My husband fishes and I like to paint and read.  So you see we are not so different from yourself I am sure.


You will be really missing out if you don't.




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Uncle_Nobby    -- May-27-2016 @ 5:18 PM
  Well said and well put.


pargeandmarge    -- May-27-2016 @ 6:16 PM
  Cheers


examiner    -- May-27-2016 @ 7:07 PM
  Please do not be put off, I have hired cruisers twice a year for the last 15 years.

I have had 2 or 3 beers whilst cruising and, once moored up, whether at a pub or simply on board, have easily drunk whatever I want.

Methinks your missus is looking at a way out of this type of holiday.

In addition, although there are lots of stag and hen parties on the Broads, I cannot think of any drunken and out of control people actually at the helm to any extent as to cause issues.

as I say I think your good lady does not want to come really and is doing her best to put you off as a result.



This message was edited by examiner on May-27-16 @ 8:08 PM


philipt740    -- May-27-2016 @ 7:59 PM
  You may be right, all will be revealed tomorrow.  Still the next time she arranges for me to drive her to Lancashire to see her family I will suddenly reasons I don't want to drive a 520 mile round trip.  There's more than one way to skin a cat  Evil Grin


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