Topic: Seagoing C-in-C Gya - Lowestoft July 12th


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-1-2014 @ 11:16 PM
  I had a fruitful phone call earlier this evening with the Admiral.  It was
agreed that a new thread be started.
This thread is solely here for those that have signed up to, and those
are considering signing up for the salty C-in-C

It is here for logistics, planning, questions, advice (both offering and
seeking), boat safety, crew safety, suggestions and the like etc etc

This thread is not here for those that have no intention of
participating.  This has the full backing of the Admiral.

It will no doubt take me a little while to copy over the relevant
information from the t’other thread which I will do so in due course.


Griff

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I have been asked quite a few time now by various friends here on
the NBF that if ever I was to transit to Lowestoft from GYA via the
salty sea crinkly stuff could they tag along?

Well now of course the answer it yes you can.

Therefore, if you are a boat owner, or can beg/borrow one from
friends, be it stinky or rag-n-stick etc
Notice is hereby given of the salty bottoms cruise 2014

11 - 13th JULY 2014 to be precise. (Subject to favourable wx
conditions)

Why the 11-13th July?  Primarily - I will be available with 'B.A', (it will
also be MrsG's B'day on the 12th) and at this time of year we have a
good - to better chance of the weather being on our side, plus we
have plenty of time to get organised.


There will be quite a bit to organise, boat safety, crew safety, (Two
biggies see following posts)

There will be a NBF get together BBQ at Oulton Broad Yacht Station
for the afternoon / evening on the 12th where we will meet up with
the NBF C-in-C flotilla and crews


The loose plan is:-
(And bear in mind I am making this up as I go along)

Sat Forenoon 12th July we sail in company down the Yare, out of the
piers at GYA, turn to Stbd destination Lowestoft harbour, Lake
Lothing, into Oulton Broad late afternoon ready for the de-brief
(Shore side party then)

During the sea trip there will be photo / filming opportunities between
craft / crews.  There is also the possibility of having one (If not more
but it is early stages yet) sea-going 'Gin-Palace' accompanying us to
give us a swell to play in if nowt else.

I will post later with regards to boat suitability and by that I mean
systems onboard, safety equipment and the like.  Same for the crew
requirements.
One thing, do not worry if you do not have a vhf licence or
transceiver - You won't need them as there will be enough of us
around to provide cover.  You also do not have to carry a liferaft,
again there will be enough of us around to act as liferafts.


Any Question?   Stax I suppose, but there is no immediate rush.

One important point - although this salty C-in-C is primarily aimed at
members of the NBF - It is NOT an NBF C-in-C as obviously we will
be outside of the Norfolk Broads area.  Therefore the NBF will not be
responsible for any boats/crews in any shape/form whatsoever.

It is the skippers owns choice as to whether to notify or extend your
insurance cover to cover you for the event whilst out at sea.

There is a sign up list under 'Forum Events' (In red at the bottom of
any page) for forumites to use in the normal manner


Over to you.


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


'Sticky' status re-applied - John

This message was edited by Dibbler on Jul-10-14 @ 12:45 PM


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-1-2014 @ 11:33 PM
  INFORMATION POST




Sea Going Craft

MTB102
RASC Humber


Alcedonia
Blue Paws
Broad Ambition
Escape II
Enigma
Halycon
Liberty
Mars
Milhan
Mouche
Our Hero
Sanderling
Scarlet Emma
Sea Breeze
Sea Phoenix
Secret Lady
Starlight Express
Sunbird
Tantalus IV
The Corsican
Verdi
Yorkshire Belle

Total:-  (22)





Publicity

Anglia Afloat may / may not cover the event.

Motorboat Owners Monthly are intending to cover the event.

There maybe other mediums that you wish to notify. Please run this by me if you would be so kind before agreeing to anything.

I would ask that on arrival at OBYS all participating craft at the very least print off and display 'My Logo' NBF forms onboard but ideally fly NBF flags in a prominent location onboard.

Also Craft should ideally be 'Dressed Overall' once alongside at OBYS if at all possible. This is NOT an order, just a request for Photo / publicity purposes purposes





Catering

Richard - NBF's very own 'Admiral' will be providing the catering in the form of a BBQ (Details as per below) for all crews on the Saturday at OBYS.

The cost per head is £10 . . . . . . . . However Jason / LBBy have kindly offered to sponsor the event.  Numbers are likely to top out at around eighty odd - which would mean LBBy having to cough up £800:00 Gasp   which imho is a bit over the top.
So . . . . .  the cost is now reduced to £7:50 per person on the day to be paid as you get to the front on the queue.  (Please try to have the correct change available).  Of the monies collected £2:50 of each payment will be donated to the MTB102 trust.  The remaining £5 and the LBBy donation together will cover overheads with any surplus donated to forum funds.
Could I ask for a few volunteers on the day to give up an odd half hour or so to assist Richard with serving up please? - Thanks


The menu is as follows:-

•     Assorted Hors D'oeuvres
•     Potato Salad in Dill Mayonnaise
•     Pasta Salad, Tricolour Fusilli with a Celery and Sweet Corn Dressing
•     Green Salad with Honey Mustard Vinaigrette
•     Gourmet Burger,  8 oz Burger on a Floured Bap, with Fried Onions
•     Spicy Chicken Wings
•     BBQ Pulled Pork on a Floured Bap
•     Chicken Satay with Peanut Sauce
•     Spicy Beef Skewers with Cucumber Yogurt Dressing


Oh yes, the name of the catering staff?     . . . .   Our very own . . . .  Richard 'Admiral'  Smile


Catering sign up list:-

MTB102 / Humber  x 4

(Bollysnigh) x 2
Blue Paws x 3
Broad Ambition x 7
(Broadland Dream) x 2
Enigma x 4
Escape x 6
Halycon x 4
(Happy Jax) x 5
(Janet-Anne) x  2
LBBy x 8
Mars x 2
Milhan x 4
Mouche x 2
(MTB102) x 2  -  [Robin/David]
(Princess Zena) x 2
Scarlet Emma x 2
Sea Breeze x 2
Secret Lady x 3
Serendipity x 2
Starlight Express x 2
Sunbird x 2
(Tadlow2) x 2
Tantalus IV x 1
The Corsican x 4
Verdi x 4
Yorkshire Belle x 2

River Flotilla x 24

Running total:-  107








Boat Preparations

The following information is to be used as a guide only, the list is not definitive, nor intended as an order list of 'You Must'

Of course being NBF Forumites our boats are always well maintained, engine serviced according to their service schedules, gearbox oil levels checked, grease points regularly attended to.  Bilge pumps in good condition etc etc.

One of the main boat stoppers out at sea on craft that are used to the calm and placed waters of the Broads is sediment / contamination in fuel tanks.  Once out at sea the fuel in the tanks gets sloshed about, the sediment in the bottom of the tanks that has laid there dormant for years is lifted, enters the engine induction supply pipe, blocks the filters and or water overcomes the water separators and you have an engine stopped - not good.  I have seen this many times most recently on a sea going twin screw Broom from Lowestoft to Southwold, the Broom in question had not been to sea for a long time.

It is easily avoided.  Soltron fuel additive will help - this should really be used (Or an equivalent) to deter the dreaded diesel bug, especially now we are using diesel with less sulphur content.

If your fuel tank has a drain tap , get to it, drain off enough until the fuel runs clear and clean. If no drain tap then borrow / acquire one of those suction oil drain see through large cannisters (Lbby have one) this has a small gauge flexible pipe that will reach the bottom of the diesel tank and will suck from the bottom, again do this until it is sucking clear fuel. If you're not confident ask a yard to do it for you LBBy is the obvious one for the Northern crowd



Following advice supplied by 'MBird':-

I changed fuel filters religiously, and always drained fuel from the primary filter bowls to check for contamination. Our primary filters have non Sea-through metal bowls on them in order to comply with the ludicrous BSSC requirements. What I did not know, was that although the fuel was running clean from the filter drain taps, the metal bowls themselves were absolutely chock full of crud, and hence the cause of our problems.

To anyone contemplating the trip who has not been to sea before, you will probably also have metal fuel bowls. It is well worth removing these to clean them out to avoid potential fuel problems. You've got 6 months to attend to a 1 hour job, so no excuses!



Hull / Watertight integrity - Self explanatory.  I have fitted in line non- return valves to 'B.A's bilge pump pipe outlets, this was a belts n braces affair due to the bad wx that we had prepared for.  There will be none of that whilst we are out.  Does your craft have them for the rivers and Breydon? No? then you won't need them for this trip either, but for peace of mind - it's your choice


Insurance:-  There is no legal requirement for you to carry insurance at sea for your Broads craft.  However some may well wish to extend their current policies to cover this trip.  If contacting your relevant insurance company be sure to let them know you will be cruising in company, that there will be genuine sea going craft escorting us and acting as liferafts, vhf/pmr comms are carried within the group. A 'NAVPLAN' is in force and all skippers are aware of it. You will only be at sea if the sea state is suitable for your craft, the duration will be around 3 x Hrs max with a distance not exceeding 20 miles, you will be no further than 1 mile from the shoreline. Inform them of location to location, dates / times etc 'B.A' is insured with 'Navigators and General' we currently enjoy a 30 day coastal cruising supplement as long as they are notified in advance which was offered to us foc.









Boat Sea Safety

Most of the advice in this section is common sense and avoiding 'School boy errors'

Securing for Sea  -  Means basically boat hygiene, that is stow everything away that is not fastened down, screwed down/on/up, tied down or sat on!!!
Cupboards/drawers that open very easily should be wedged shut - folded cardboard is for nowt and ideal for this purpose. Gaffer tape is also good but beware leaving sticky residues after removal.  
Externally - ropes should be cheesed down or taken inboard, fenders stowed on deck or again inboard.  Mudweights will be fine where you normally stow them. (Calm conditions remember)  Boat hook / deck mop, tie wraps or lanyards to secure them.

Lifebelts - A very good idea to carry one with a long floating painter and ready for deployment.  However again not mandatory due to the close proximity of liferafts as per below

Liferafts - REALLY?  Each craft will be acting as a liferaft for all of us combined. We also have the gin palaces with us that can be with you in seconds. (Not to mention MTB102 and the Humber)  We will also be in constant pmr comms with each other.

Personal buoyancy aids - I will not insult anyone by emphasising the point of carrying them onboard (Sorry, seems I have just done so)  It is up to the skipper to advise / insist on when / if his / her crew should
don a buoyancy aid

We are planning to be out in calm seas but there will be sea going craft with us which are capable of producing a fine wash to play in, that is of course for those that wish to, it is not mandatory for you to take your craft through the wash of the gin palaces or MTB/Humber there will be plenty of room to avoid all that carry on if you should so wish.

Radar Reflectors - Not required - we will be in a large group with good visibility

Flares - A few of us will be carrying them sufficient for the group


Coastguard

During the morning of Sat the 12th if the decision is made to proceed to sea, I shall require each skipper to contact me with their boat name and number of persons onboard.  You can do this by txt (07966 168647),  by PMR,  by VHF,  or in person at Berney Arms.

If your craft is 'CG66' registered - let me kmow

I will then ring Humber coastguard and give them the details, our etd from GYA and our eta at Lowestoft, I will ring them again once all craft are safely in Lake Lothing / OBYS.






Navigation

Mustering Points -

Berney Arms or Stracey Arms Friday 11th pm for overnight stay.  Mooring spaces at Berney Arms may mean we have to double moor - which should not be an issue - Big uns on the inside, Little uns on the outside in the normal manner.  Then of course there is the opportunity for a social gathering at the Berney Arms pub that same evening

Saturday 12th - Slip and proceed from either above venues to arrive at Haven Bridge for the bridge lift which is booked for 1100

Craft slipping from Berney - No later than 1000 but ideally 0930 for a water-borne rendezvous with other craft as per below

Craft should plan to arrive upstream of Broads Haven Bridge no later than 1045.  There will meet the craft coming down the Bure from Stracey Arms moorings and potentially craft from the NBF C-in-C.  That means up to 30 odd craft in the same vicinity. There will be plenty of water available, skippers must give a wide berth of that yellow post for other craft not involved in our group

The distance from the piers at GYA to Lowestoft is approximately 9 miles.

Therefore with slack water all the way an average speed through the water of 4:5mph will see the distance completed in 2 x Hrs, not allowing for 'Play Time'   However having checked the tidal streams there is an average of a 2mph tidal stream coming directly from the south. Simple maths means that whatever speed you are making through the water per Hr it will be reduced by 2mph over the ground.

Aiming for the Bridge lift at Lowestoft no later than 1600 and exiting the piers at GYA at 1145 that gives us a window of 4 x hrs - give or take. 4 x Hrs with a 2mph tide on the bow you will need to average 2:25mph over the ground but more importantly 4:25 mph through the water.  This should be easily achievable for all concerned. (Even a bathtub could manage that)

Headings - just two, 168 Degrees for a distance of 8 x miles then 267 for 1 x mile.  Minimum depth of water at lowest astro tide is 4:1m over the whole course.  So unless you have a draft of more than 17feet - you will be fine.  I do not intend to issue 'NMT' and 'NLT' clearance bearings / depth datums - use your eyes, keep an eye on the other boats around you and listen to your PMR / VHF

There will of course be photo's and runs by the historic craft that will slow down our average speed over the ground - skippers bear this in mind please

Tides - High water at Yarmouth Yacht station and Burgh Castle is at 1027.  Therefore passing downstream through Haven bridge it will be slack /  starting to ebb which will ease our passage out to sea

Low water at Lowestoft is at 1633.  Which will be ideal for all three bridges, that is Lowestoft road bridge, Oulton rail  / road bridge.  There is of course negligible tidal flow on Lake Lothing (Unless both sets of gates are left open at Mutford Lock - then we are all in trouble)



Entering Lowestoft

Lowestoft Harbour, Lowestoft Bridge, Oulton Rail Bridge, Mutford Road Bridge, Mutford Lock:-

Ok pay attention,  we have 21 craft (Or thereabouts) to safely navigate the above named locations.
We will cause a bottleneck if we all arrive at the same time, therefore once we have finished ‘Playing’ and photo opportunities the quicker craft can crack on to Lowestoft and Lake Lothing (In company please) thereby breaking up the flotilla arrival times.  Us more sedate craft can cruise along, again in company to Lowestoft.  No single craft will be left solo cruising. A dedicated 'Sea' boat will stay with us to act as safety boat

12th July Low water at Lowestoft (Mutford) is at 1630 – we are on springs so it will be a very low, Low water

In order then:-

Harbour entrance – if you see 3 x vertical red lights – do not proceed, Green / White / Green – proceed with caution when ordered to do so.


Lowestoft Bridge VHF CH 14 (Port Control) Tel:- 01502 572286
Airdraft average High Water (1000) 6ft – does not concern us
Airdraft average Low water (1630) 13ft
Lifting times are 1430 and 1600 but must be requested with 30 mins notice


Oulton Rail Bridge
At average low water airdraft is 24ft, we shall be there approaching low water so this should not be an issue


Mutford Road Bridge VHF CH73/14  Tel:- 01502 531788
Airdraft average high water 7ft 10”
Airdraft average low water 13ft 10” (Likely to be more on the day due to Low water springs)
Low water is at 1630 which is a bonus
Mutford road bridge is restricted to six lifts per day. They have dedicated set opening times of 1515 and 1645 but will lift at other times if requested.  They will not lift the bridge between the hours of 1700 – 1800, by then we should be all through anyhow. We must organise ourselves so that the highest boats go through together to make use of limited lifts of the road bridge if required.
Skippers you know your own crafts dimensions, if your airdraft is more that 13ft  – please organise yourselves to pass Mutford road bridge in company with other vessels that may require a lift.  The rest of us that don’t need a bridge lift, keep clear of the larger craft, we can go before or after them


Mutford Lock VHF CH73/14  Tel:- 01502 531788
Dimensions 72ft x 21ft
Again we must organise ourselves to make full use of the lock dimensions to keep locking down to a minimum,
It is feasible for four craft to lock up at the same time and we need to do so where possible. Skippers - again look at the craft around you with regards to locking in and ‘buddying’ up (Not sure if that is the correct terminology but it will suffice)
The staff at OBYS/Mutford lock/Road bridge are aware of our intentions for the day, as is port control at Lowestoft.  There is a fee for using Mutford lock £11 per craft.

The above advice is for information only, a guide for skippers to make use of if they wish.  It is not definite or gospel come to that.




Navigation - Plan 'B'

Should the sea state be not suitable for our flotilla there is a plan 'B' That is to proceed to OBYS via the Waveney. Come the day Saturday 12th forenoon it is each skippers final call whether to proceed out onto the salty stuff or not.  No decision will be made for you on this - that is your sole right as skipper, it is your call and no one elses. Up to date wx forecasts will be monitored and I shall ring the GYA harbour master and requests he uses his Port and Stbd lookouts (Eyes) and give us an eye witness report on the sea state








Communication


Great Yarmouth Port Operations - VHF CH12 Telephone:- 01493 335511

Lowestoft Harbour -  VHF CH14 Telephone:- 01502 572286

Mutford Road Bridge / Lock  VHF CH 73

Inter ship Comms VHF CH 06
Inter ship Comms PMR CH 04

VHF Comms:-

There is no stipulation or need for all craft to be carrying and operating a vhf transceiver.  There are enough boats in our group already have a vhf set along with the relevant operators license. If you feel the need to purchase a vhf and attend the course by all
means do so but it won't be cheap, and how often will you use vhf?

Gya and Lowestoft HM's wont appreciate 21 + craft calling them up one after another requesting permission to leave / enter harbour either.    Therefore one craft will be nominated as vhf comms guard monitoring ch16 and the relevant HM channels as required.  The same craft will communicate with Gya, Lowestoft HM's along with 102 and Humber on behalf of the flotilla.

Relevant information will then be passed to the rest of the flotilla via PMR's


PMR Comms:-

It is imperative that each craft not carrying a vhf MUST carry a PMR.  
For those of you that don't have one, we have 3 x spare onboard 'B.A'   'T.C' also has more than one so between the group we should be able to cover 1 x PMR per craft.  So equipped, each craft will be in constant communications with the whole flotilla.  Any important information received via vhf will then be relayed to the flotilla via PMR


OBYS - Moorings

There are 25 x berths reserved for those arriving through Mutford Lock, and for the NBF C-in-C river trip.
Some of the berths have electric available. If there is anyone who 'Needs' shore power let me know, otherwise I hope we can take it as pot luck.

Pse let me know if your boat is listed and not attending or not listed and you are attending

This list has been e-mailed to the staff at OBYS

Berths reserved for the following craft:-

Blue Paws   Broad Ambition   Escape II   Enigma    Liberty   Milhan   Mars   Sanderling   Scarlet Emma   Sea Breeze   Sea Phoenix   Secret Lady   Starlight Express   Sunbird   Tantalus IV   The Corsican   Verdi   Yorkshire Belle

Broadland Dream   Broadland Mist  Delilah   Malanka    Mistral   Princess Zena  Sapphire   =  24


Overspill of craft will have to fend for themselves and use 'The Wherry Hotel' moorings in the normal manner - no berths have been reserved with The Wherry Hotel


Griff


'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


This message was edited by BroadAmbition on Jul-10-14 @ 7:27 AM


Mirage    -- Apr-2-2014 @ 2:22 PM
  Brought forward information re: MTB102 & RASC Humber

Just wanted to say that this CINC is not limited to  boat owners.

For non boat owning members, or boat owning members whose boats want to stay on their river moorings, there is an opportunity to go to sea on either of the two historic vessels, namely the MTB 102 or the RASC Fast Launch Humber.  

At sea you will have a chance to see the CINC flotilla run out of GY all the way down into Lowestoft harbour, through Lake Lothing and into Mutford Lock, before joining in with the Official NBF CINC party celebrations at the Oulton Broad Yacht Station afterwards.

The possibility of a high speed run at sea on one of these two boats is another experience for lucky passengers on MTB102 & Humber.

Of course, nothing is for nothing in this life, and a small donation to MTB Trust of £25 per passenger will be needed to cover the fuel and running costs of these two ships for the trip.

If you are planning to arrive at the event by car, then you can get aboard at Lowestoft and you can enjoy the round trip.

If you would prefer to get board either of these wonderful historic boats in GY and disembark at Lowestoft then arrangements can be made to pick you up in GY.

Please send me a PM to book your place on the MTB or Humber. It will be a case of 1st come 1st served. There are only 12 places altogether so don’t delay. Book today.

Word from Richard B with MTB102 and Humber - He is quite willing and well practiced at passenger transfers at sea.  Therefore those passengers booked onboard MTB102 and Humber will be able to change over at GYA so all will have the opportunity of travelling on both craft (wx permitting of course)

Also important note as reminded by the Lady Corsican "every passenger travelling on MTB or Humber should be wearing an "in date" life jacket". So you've been warned, if you are going out on MTB or Humber, Sonia will expect in inspect your life saving gear/equipment!

In the next few days I will publish the list of those who have been successful in their applications for MTB & Humber.

Simon





The Corsican


waterline    -- Apr-6-2014 @ 8:55 AM
  I know this has been arranged around a certain date, but have you studied the tides. It will be coming up to springs and departing Sat. morning, unless we go early, we shall be pushing a 1.5-2.5 knot current.
A departure time from the Yare entrance at approx 0830 would be OK but would be pushing the tide all the way down the harbour. Any later and we would be pushing it the 6Nm to Lowesoft.

Regards
Roger


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-6-2014 @ 8:58 AM
  Berth Reservations,

I have been in touch with the staff at Oulton Broad Yacht Station as promised.

I have now reserved 25 x berths, that is the lot of them from 1400 on Sat 12th for members of the NBF with their craft arriving through Mutford Lock and the Flotilla coming via the Waveney

I have to send a list of boat names to the HM at OBYS which I will do today.  If we go over 25 - then craft signing up will be able to use the Wherry Hotel berths.


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


This message was edited by BroadAmbition on Apr-8-14 @ 6:03 PM


readyabout    -- Apr-6-2014 @ 2:11 PM
 
quote:"......I have now reserved 25 x berths......."

Just for the record, Griff, Broadland Dream is already booked in for two nights, 11th & 12th. (to facilitate transfer to MTB 102).

Regards

Paul
________________________________________________________
'readyabout' - the first meaningful adult phrase from my childhood....


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-9-2014 @ 9:37 PM
 

Ok,

First post updated.

New section - Berth reservations - pse check to make sure your boat is listed or still on the list if it shouldn't be.  Boat names e-mailed to the staff at OBYS.

This weekend I'll commence looking at the NAVPLAN proper with regards to tidal streams, The bridge lifting times at Lowestoft harbour, I'll need to liaise with Skippers of MTB AND Humber in the normal manner

More to follow

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-9-2014 @ 10:11 PM
 
Captains Blog

Is a thread that most of us are well familiar with by now. Created, filmed / screened /edited by our very own 'LondonRascal' or Robin to most of us.

Robin as some of you are aware has got ambitions to become a boat owner anytime soon (make that anytime) but it is unlikely to happen before the salty trip.  I'd very much like him to film and record the event.
Robin would very much like to do the same

Problem - 'B.A' is fully crewed and he needs room (not a lot) and a high vantage point to do his stuff.

Therefore going on the old saying of  -  'You never get if you never ask'  -  I'm asking on his behalf.  He is far to reserved and polite to ask himself whereas I'm very opposite and more in your dish and doing the straight Yorkshire speak thing.

Please would any skipper (Salty side) that has room in/on his/her wheelhouse for Robin to be onboard for the day to do his thing?

Accommodation is not an issue as Robin will book himself into a hotel for the Saturday evening at Oulton Broad (But if anyone has a spare berth for his svelte frame for the Saturday night - even better)

I'd be proper miffed if someone during or after the event said 'If only you had asked me Griff'

Assuming someone steps up to the plate, the logistics can be worked out before the day.

Thanking one and all in advance,


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


londonrascal    -- Apr-10-2014 @ 9:44 AM
  Thank you Griff for posting this Smile

For anyone thinking about accommodating me on the day I am well trained and bring little with me and have my own life jacket. If you personally did not wish to be on camera that would be fine too - the boat would be effectively a ‘floating tripod’ to get footage of the event from.



| Robin |

Norfolk Broads LIVE!
Captain's Blog Video Series



Lastdraft    -- Apr-10-2014 @ 11:03 AM
  Hi Robin, You would be welcome to join our two man crew onboard Scarlet Emma leaving from Brundall Friday afternoon. pm me for details.  John


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-10-2014 @ 12:10 PM
 
See?

The forum back to it's normal best.

Thanks John - very good of you, Cheers

I'll leave it for you pair to sort out the logistics.


Griff

  

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


sanderling    -- Apr-10-2014 @ 12:26 PM
  HI Griff
We have room on Sanderling for 2 more if any body needs a ride salty side,,, we can sort out details at a later date


kindest regards  Russell


londonrascal    -- Apr-10-2014 @ 2:47 PM
  Thank you John, have sent you a PM.

| Robin |

Norfolk Broads LIVE!
Captain's Blog Video Series



BroadAmbition    -- Apr-10-2014 @ 11:02 PM
 
Thanks Sanderling - very good of you.

I had only the one request for a passenger - Robin as previously mentioned.

However there may well be another one/two forumites out there that may wish to take you up on your kind offer.


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


mbird    -- Apr-14-2014 @ 10:32 AM
  Robin

You are welcome aboard Secret Lady as a back up if needed. The flybridge provides a good vantage point but I can't guarantee it'll be stable!

Cheers

Mark


mbird    -- Apr-14-2014 @ 10:49 AM
  Bridge Lifts

Griff has asked me to liase with Yarmouth Port Control regarding the booking of the bridge lifts for the exit to sea.

As high water is at 09:40 on 12th July at Gorleston, I would suggest we probably need to be exiting through Haven bridge at about 09:00. The water can run very very fast where it is squeezed through the bridge with some big eddys, so getting through at slack-ish water will be easiest for those with lower powered engines rather than trying to fight the 5-6 knot current that can sometimes occur there.

I have spoken to Bridge Operations already, just to ask if there are any issues with a large number of craft passing through in one go. I have been told it isn't a problem (other than the natives getting a little restless).

Normally the lifts at Breydon bridge and Haven bridge are synchronised such that Haven is lifted 5 minutes or so after Breydon (outbound) to allow vessels to transit Breydon and congregate near Haven. This obviously means holding station against the tide for a short while. There is plenty of room for this between the bridges.

It may be possible for some of the lower air-draft vessels to pass through one or both Bridges without waiting for the lift. This is perfectly acceptable and may ease any congestion. The published clearance heights for the bridges at average high water are 13' for the fixed span at Breydon (11'6" for the lifting span) and 9'6" for Haven. To this end, I would be grateful if all participants would PM me with the air-drafts of their vessels in order for me to be able to have a better idea of how many boats may get through without requiring the lift.

Cheers

Mark


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-14-2014 @ 11:33 AM
 
The flybridge provides a good vantage point but I can't guarantee it'll be stable!

If our Robin is onboard - I guarantee it won't be!  Evil Grin


Oh and BTW - PM on it's way ref airdraft 'B.A' as requested.


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


Mirage    -- Apr-15-2014 @ 6:54 PM
  Finally I have the list of those who will be allocated places on the MTB and Humber sea trip. Sorry it's a little later than originally promised

Outbound from Lowestoft

MTB
Readyabout x 2 people
Silver Gem x 2 people
Spelelogist x 2 people

Humber
Fidear45 x 3 people
Tricxy x 2 people
Sternmoor x 1 person

Returning from Great Yarmouth

All parties will transfer from their outward bound vessel to the other boat for their return run, thus giving everyone a chance to take lots of snaps of both boats and be able to say "I went on both of these!"

Thank you to all participants who have agreed to pay MTB trust £25 per person for a contribution to the cost their trip. This should be paid to Richard Basey before departure from Lowestoft please!

I would hope that you will feel able to make a further contribution to their ongoing challenge of maintaining these boats for the future heritage. There is no doubt you will have a memorable trip :e.g.:

There is a waiting list started, so please PM me if you cannot participate and I can pass your place on.

Simon


The Corsican


mbird    -- Apr-16-2014 @ 8:15 AM
  Bridge Lifts

Thank you to those of you who have sent me your air-drafts so far.

One comment that has popped up from a couple of people is that whilst they can fold bits down to get a lower draft, they would prefer to leave them up and go through with the lift (which will be required for some boats anyway). I'd just like reassure you this is not a problem at all.

Something that might be worth considering though, is lowering bits at the other end. The lifts for Bascule bridge in Lowestoft occur at set times during the day, and are not booked specifically for certain vessels like Yarmouth is. With this in mind, there will be around 19 of our boats, but could potentially be other vessels not connected with the C-in-C and this is a large number of boats to hang around in the outer harbour and bridge channel.

I have spoken the Lowestoft Harbour, and they are happy for vessels to pass under the bridge if they are able without a lift, with prior permission by VHF or mobile. The clearance under the bridge will have to be ascertained on the day, but ranges from around 7' to 10' depending on tide.

Lower vessels being able to get a head start up Lake Lothing would also help ease the congestion at Mutford Lock, where space to hold station is severely limited.

Cheers

Mark


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-17-2014 @ 9:34 PM
  More news,

NavPlan:-

I have finally found time and also manage to converse with Richard Bassey (Skipper MTB and Humber)

All sailors will know the tides have a huge influence on passage planning.  Added to that in our case are bridges both at Yarmouth and Lowestoft.

Yarmouth as Mbird has informed is is not such a problem as lifts can be pre-booked.  At Lowestoft the Harbour bridge (Bascule) has set lifting times.

So the early stages of the NavPlan are primarily governed by the bridge at Lowestoft, both for the heritage craft exiting and all of us entering. (Well those that need a lift)

MTB102 and Humber will rendezvous with our flotilla off Gt Yarmouth at midday - 1200.

Therefore we need to sort out timing departing Berney Arms to arrive outside the piers no later than 1145.  We can of course arrive earlier at the rv point and just amuse ourselves accordingly

The flotilla will enter Lowestoft outer harbour for a bridge lift at 1430.

We have effectively a 2Hr 15m sea trip 1200 - 1415 out at sea.  The distance from the piers at GYA to Lowestoft is a shade under 10 miles.  So an average speed over ground of 4:5mph will do it

BUT we will have tide against us.  I will promulgate exactly how much tide and speed on another post later on, but assuming your vessel can make a minimum of 6mph through the water you will be fine.

Passenger timings and more details for MTB102 and Humber for both legs of the sea trip - Mirage will post these up shortly.

--------------

Any thoughts on the above?  If any - Lets get them discussed and then I'll amend the first post accordingly of this thread


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


This message was edited by BroadAmbition on Apr-17-14 @ 10:47 PM


snowgoose    -- Apr-18-2014 @ 8:36 AM
  OK with me happy to fit in.

Andrew H


mbird    -- Apr-22-2014 @ 4:05 PM
  That will mean a bridge lift at Yarmouth at around 11:00, well into the flood tide. My main concern will be any boats with low powered engines being able to punch the tide coming through the bridge, but I don't know enough about the boats attending to be able to tell if it's an issue or not. I would suggest that anything with a small engine like a BMC 1.5 could find it a slog to get through Haven bridge.

Cheers

Mark


'CooWee'    -- Apr-22-2014 @ 5:38 PM
  I would be a bit wary of taking Moonlight Shadow on to the sea even though I would love to do it, because of lack of power, the top speed we have achieved is 9.2mph on Breydon and it is a large cruiser.

Keith (Ex SternMoor) PR4 & NR13

Once I was a Stern but no Moor
Now I'm here "CooWee"'

"We're comin' in hot."

"Truth is the Daughter of Time."


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-22-2014 @ 8:25 PM
  Well I can't do much about the tide times with relations to bridge lifting times at Lowestoft - come to think - I can't do owt about them  Frown

Hopefully I will find time this weekend to study the tidal flows and report accordingly


Btw - 'B.A' is absolutely flat out at around 10mph and I don't run her at that speed much if at all unless I really have to - but had to for about 2 x Hrs on our way south approaching south dock marina on the Thames  - bit touch and go was that one   Gasp


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


This message was edited by BroadAmbition on Apr-24-14 @ 10:00 PM


mbird    -- Apr-23-2014 @ 10:55 AM
  Sorry Griff, I've been an idiot. We will be going through Haven bridge with the ebb tide, not punching the flood as I had thought! Doh!

The tidal flows once at sea will be around 1-2 knots which we will be punching, but I don't think that will be worrying anyone!

This message was edited by mbird on Apr-23-14 @ 12:05 PM


'CooWee'    -- Apr-23-2014 @ 5:02 PM
  I take your point Griff, but my seamanship skills wouldn't even register against yours. Smile

Keith (Ex SternMoor) PR4 & NR13

Once I was a Stern but no Moor
Now I'm here "CooWee"'

"We're comin' in hot."

"Truth is the Daughter of Time."


Mirage    -- Apr-24-2014 @ 8:31 PM
 
Boarding time for MTB102 and Humber passengers.


MTB & Humber sail at 10.45 on July 12.

Passengers must be at the dockside at OB at 10.30 at the very latest.

They must have their lifejackets with them and be ready to board at 10.30 otherwise Richard will sail without you!

MTB trust address is
Sealake Road
Oulton Broad
NR32 3LQ

Have a wonderful time and a memorable experience
Smile

Anyone with any questions, please PM.
All the best
Simon

The Corsican


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-24-2014 @ 9:12 PM
  Information post updated - Catering

Please remember we need to provide our own drink refreshments


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

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This message was edited by BroadAmbition on Apr-24-14 @ 10:13 PM


CaptBryan    -- Apr-25-2014 @ 3:58 PM
  There is a letter and Editorial reply in the May addition of Anglia Afloat.

Captain Howe.

The Eagle may soar majestic,
but you don't suck a Stoat
into your jet engines.
Please leave the water and
banks as you would wish to
find them.


mbird    -- Apr-26-2014 @ 6:25 AM
  Regarding publicity, there is a completely free online magazine called Motor Boat Owner (www.motorboatowner.co.uk) that may be worth approaching? It's run by a guy that used to work for Motor Boat Monthly.

Cheers

Mark


This message was edited by mbird on Apr-26-14 @ 7:26 AM


Jean&Brian    -- May-31-2014 @ 6:34 PM
  Paul & Lorna etc.

Richard has allowed this thread for the use of those organizing the event for their own communication purposes not general comment, that thread was locked long ago please respect it.

Just in case of confusion this is a Mod comment not a personal one, if you have problems with this please use the PM facility.

          Brian

Member Victor Meldrew Appreciation Society


paul&lorna    -- May-31-2014 @ 7:08 PM
 

paul

This message was edited by paul&lorna on Jun-1-14 @ 5:57 PM


GaryCantley    -- Jun-1-2014 @ 2:20 PM
 
quote:"......
Sorry, i didn't know that, please delete my post if you wish.
......."



I have.

And for avoidance of doubt I done it before I received your permission to delete it.



Gary.

Cantley
Computers


At the going down of the sun
and in the morning, we will
remember them.


GaryCantley    -- Jun-2-2014 @ 4:10 PM
  Once again I have deleted comments from this thread.

Obviously some are having trouble reading Griff's opening post, within it it states quite clearly "This thread is solely here for those that have signed up to, and those
are considering signing up for the salty C-in-C

It is here for logistics, planning, questions, advice (both offering and
seeking), boat safety, crew safety, suggestions and the like etc etc "

Now, if you want to see this thread locked and removed from the system feel free to carry on with your comments. Don't blame me if that is the way it goes.



Gary.

Cantley
Computers


At the going down of the sun
and in the morning, we will
remember them.


Karen&Mike    -- Jun-2-2014 @ 4:17 PM
  I was just about to post more or less the very same words as Gary. And some of these further posts (now deleted) are from members who know full well what happened to the original thread. Less frequent posters could be forgiven for not realising...

Karen  



"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


JennyMorgan    -- Jun-2-2014 @ 4:34 PM
  Actually, Karen, I don't know what happened to the original thread. I do know that things are not right within the forum. However I do know where to aim the blame.

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


GaryCantley    -- Jun-2-2014 @ 4:41 PM
  Tell ya what.

Let's delete this thread as members cannot stay on topic as requested by the OP.

Any replies to this WILL see the thread removed.

Gary.

Cantley
Computers


At the going down of the sun
and in the morning, we will
remember them.


riyadhcrew    -- Jun-2-2014 @ 5:24 PM
  Dear Garry,

From a relative newbie _ GOOD MOVE!!!

best regards,
Eric


zeta    -- Jun-3-2014 @ 10:53 AM
  Griff,
As this thread appears to have been highjacked, how can we obtain updated information on the CinC?
Bill


mbird    -- Jun-3-2014 @ 11:13 AM
  Dear Mods

Is it possible to delete the last few posts (those form mods as well) to leave it in it's pre-hijack state? I think the last relevant post was my own on 26th April.

Many thanks.

Cheers

Mark


This message was edited by mbird on Jun-3-14 @ 12:14 PM


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-3-2014 @ 7:48 PM
 
I've been kinda busy of late, Work, more work, our bathroom, last two weekends afloat, family etc.

I will get updated and finger back on the pulse forthwith this include replying to P.M's etc

Bear with me


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-3-2014 @ 10:01 PM
 

Ok, 2nd original post updated, (New craft - 'Mouche)

The catering list is starting to come to a head.  I need to get exact numbers so Richard can get his ordering done in plenty of time.  I'll start adding names to the 'Catering List'  if you're not on it, you won't be allowed in the 'BBQ Queue'  so post/pm me to confirm.  If your name is on the list and you are making your own arrangements - again let me know.

ZTD  Can you get a list of names from the river-goers who wish to attend the BBQ please?  Thanks

----------------

MBird - (Mark) is off out to sea in the very near future via GYA and has kindly offered to film the Haven Bridge / port area.  He will make this available for viewing for those that might find it useful.  Watch this space


Griff





'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


JennyMorgan    -- Jun-3-2014 @ 10:06 PM
  Griff, what is the deadline for those wishing to partake?

I'm not good at planning that far ahead!

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-3-2014 @ 10:13 PM
 

I'm not sure there is one to be honest, first time anyone has asked that question that I can remember, and it just had to be you didn't it?  Wink

I suppose in reality anyone could come along even without notifying any of us right up to the last minute, although berths at OBYS and the BBQ catering would be an issue, joining in the NBF gathering at OBYS for sea-goers and river-goers would not be an issue


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


JennyMorgan    -- Jun-3-2014 @ 10:22 PM
  My question really concerned the catering. I expect others would be interested too.

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-3-2014 @ 10:24 PM
 

Fair point, well made.

I'll ask the question to the Admiral, or if he is reading this thread he can reply himself no doubt


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


londonrascal    -- Jun-4-2014 @ 9:27 AM
  Count me in for the BBQ.

You mentioned costs per person for the catering on page 1 of this thread, I wonder where/how such payments can be made?



| Robin |

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Speleologist    -- Jun-4-2014 @ 11:45 AM
  Self and son for the catering list please Griff. We'll be staying over after the MTB102 trip.

Robin
www.robin.me.uk
"Posthabui tamen illorum mea seria ludo"


SOS247    -- Jun-6-2014 @ 7:42 PM
 
I haven't had a chance to read all the details on this so can you just confirm OBYS is the final destination & most importantly where do we go for the food & drink...?!

I will aim to drive there......, if everything goes to plan....plus may bring some passengers with me.

Cheers


www.facebook.com/ludhambridgeboatyard



They say that 'Hard work never killed
anyone' however, sleepless nights,
stress, not taking breaks & not eating
correctly may just get you there early!!


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-6-2014 @ 8:01 PM
 
Yes the final destination is OBYS Saturday afternoon and overnight for both the sea goers and the flotilla coming via the Waveney

The food will come to you!  As Richard (Admiral) is organising the catering at OBYS.

Some members on the sea trip have offered places for passengers, maybe you would want to look at this avenue?  How many of you will there be?


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


SOS247    -- Jun-6-2014 @ 9:01 PM
  Dear Griff

I know I've helped you in the past, i.e. basically taught you EVERYTHING you know about engines, gearboxes & 4 blade propellers! Wink  however, you are one of a select few who actually go out of their way to help others,,,,,,,

Example - I emailed recently you about doing a possible 'project' to help someone else, which would have involved you giving up a week of your own time. Unfortunately in the end my personal/business commitments stopped this project going ahead (until next year!).  

From the very first moment I contacted you about this, you then continued to pester me for at least 3 weeks afterwards with trying & get the project started.........!!!  
It was very clear you only pestered me because you WANTED to help someone else, i.e. make that someone else's life better, without any gain to yourself......

Unfortunately, 'helping others' is a very rare quality to find in people today but you do this very naturally...... Taking nothing away from myself, I also help others however, afterwards I send out an invoice!!! Smile

So after a great deal of consideration both myself & Sonia (& team LBBY) would like to attend your BBQ and contribute towards the food....

I really hope you will accept this gesture, unless you have support already in place for this

So see you there!

Regards

Jason

www.facebook.com/ludhambridgeboatyard



They say that 'Hard work never killed
anyone' however, sleepless nights,
stress, not taking breaks & not eating
correctly may just get you there early!!


JennyMorgan    -- Jun-6-2014 @ 9:06 PM
  For those driving up if you fancy a spot of primitive camping I do have plenty of space.

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-6-2014 @ 9:43 PM
 
Jason - Tha's making me blush  Blush

A very fine offer - which is typical and far from unusual of team LBBY,  I'll take you up on the offer and have a word with Richard - Thanks.

JM - Same vein as per the above.

This type of attitude is what the forum is / should be all about imho  Cheers


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


SOS247    -- Jun-6-2014 @ 9:59 PM
 
I don't do camping!! so 'primitive' camping is just not happening!!!

Any 5 star hotels close by?? Wink

However a reserved car parking spot would be handy!!!! Smile  We actually keep a red carpet in the boot ready, so you won't need to worry about this...


www.facebook.com/ludhambridgeboatyard



They say that 'Hard work never killed
anyone' however, sleepless nights,
stress, not taking breaks & not eating
correctly may just get you there early!!


JennyMorgan    -- Jun-6-2014 @ 10:04 PM
  Jason, this is nearby:
http://www.booking.com/hotel/gb/ivy-house-country.en-gb.html?aid=311076;label=hotel-35713-gb-J540hVExmz7kWD0OIelmmQS12485636700%3Apl%3Ata%3Ap1%3Ap2%3Aac%3Aap1t1%3Aneg;sid=ed6f7d9dbe38b3f59b1cdf837eebf241;dcid=1;ucfs=1;srfid=aceddb3625f05e3e8730efd2ba5ed68ad9c32c01X1

Primitive camping is fun Blush

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


Richard    -- Jun-6-2014 @ 10:15 PM
  For the catering, just let Griff know that you want to be fed, and get the money to him. So long as I've got a weeks notice on numbers there should be no problem.


Regulo    -- Jun-7-2014 @ 11:27 AM
  Griff,

I seem to have in my possession a print-out of a plan for arriving and departing the Berney at suggested times. I presume this is from the original thread. Is this still the desired plan, or has anything changed? Perhaps you could put the info up on your first post, for those recently signed up?

Regards, Ray.

It's the 21st century . . . so where's my nuclear-powered flying car, then?


Maurice_Mynah    -- Jun-7-2014 @ 2:09 PM
  "I don't do camping!! so 'primitive' camping is just not happening!!! "

You should try it Jason, the excitement is "in tents"

I think therefore I am.  René Descartes.
I sink therefore I was.  Maurice Mynah.


londonrascal    -- Jun-7-2014 @ 2:27 PM
  Just a heads up for those wanting to book in somewhere and who don't wish to camp, or have a boat I've booked a night at the Winelodge Apartments.

You can get a double room for £40.00 or a 1 bed apartment for £80.00 over at Booking.com

Look nice and easy to wobble back from the yacht station to on Saturday evening lol





| Robin |

Norfolk Broads LIVE!
Captain's Blog Video Series



JennyMorgan    -- Jun-7-2014 @ 8:23 PM
  Robin, just brace yourself and think of England Evil Grin  

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


imax    -- Jun-7-2014 @ 8:56 PM
  Robin

Does not come out well on Tripadvisor.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g190775-d1463783-Reviews-Winelodge_Suites-Lowestoft_Suffolk_East_Anglia_England.html#REVIEWS

Ian


londonrascal    -- Jun-7-2014 @ 9:43 PM
  Hmm reviews - I did read them on Booking.com saying...

Great:
"The staff at Winelodge were extremely friendly and helpful, especially the head of house. We had a slight problem, but after talking through it with that member of staff, it was all sorted! It is such a nice place to stay in. I have no problem with going back! Highly reccomended."

Terrible:
"There was no one on reception at any time. The only way to get into room or building was either a come given by a lad behind the bar ( anyone could have seen this as the book with the code was out all the time) we had to get on hands a knees to be able go enter the code as very hard to see in the poor lighting.main area stairs etc not cleaned and it was obvious someone had been smoking in the building. Rooms we're above winebar/club so no sleep until it closed and people stopped clattering around outside this was 3am and then kept awake longer by drunk guests."

With such a huge swing from great to terrible in the same place, in the same month - I really take these reviews with a pinch of salt. End of the day I need a place to bung my gear and sleep at night and it can't be that bad.  I'll let everybody know how I get on...


| Robin |

Norfolk Broads LIVE!
Captain's Blog Video Series



imax    -- Jun-7-2014 @ 9:56 PM
  I always use Tripadvisor rather than the sales sites. I am looking to see a lot more above average than below and take a look at the more recent ones especially those below average. Most hotels get some bad reviews, I just check it is not the norm. Have a nice stay.

Ian


JennyMorgan    -- Jun-7-2014 @ 10:06 PM
  Not a place that I would wish to stay but the food is good enough if not exceptional. It's the nightclub that would spoil it for me. Sorry that I don't have any spare rooms at the moment.

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


londonrascal    -- Jun-8-2014 @ 12:28 AM
  It is either the Winelodge place - or the Wherry Hotel and the Wherry Hotel want £138.00 for a room - that difference is my train fare and a few pints of beer.

If was staying a weekend  or more I'd look elsewhere.

It is close to the 'action' at the yacht station so no need for a walk/cab back to a hotel further afield.  

Anyway maybe I'll go to the club till 2am and show the locals some of my moves Wink


| Robin |

Norfolk Broads LIVE!
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cambridgecabby    -- Jun-8-2014 @ 12:41 AM
  Robin ,

I've stayed there when I was stranded in the area in April , room was clean ,very basic , bed linen was spotless and bed not uncomfortable, stayed in worse for double the price .


no traffic, no fumes, no traffic wardens.......bliss!!

simon


JennyMorgan    -- Jun-8-2014 @ 7:09 AM
  Re that night-club, Robin, being 'grab-a-granny' night might dictate the pace of your moves Evil Grin

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


BELLA    -- Jun-8-2014 @ 9:01 AM
  Robin, stay in the club till 4.00am, then breakfast and first train home, you will not need a room then. Smile


psychicsurveyor    -- Jun-8-2014 @ 9:30 AM
  A "club", is that the same as a discotheque.  LOL

Mark

--------------------------------
Some days all I need is to have a
beer and be afloat.


Maurice_Mynah    -- Jun-8-2014 @ 11:26 AM
  discotheque? Isn't that one of those places where they play gramophone records at an excessive volume?

I think therefore I am.  René Descartes.
I sink therefore I was.  Maurice Mynah.


JennyMorgan    -- Jun-8-2014 @ 11:52 AM
  Not only loud music but also loud customers, as they stagger from the club in the early hours, watering nearby gardens even if the owners would rather they didn't, broadening the vocabulary of the neighbouring ex-matelots and generally enlivening an area that would rather slumber than lumber around the dance floor until the sun rises.

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


psychicsurveyor    -- Jun-8-2014 @ 1:15 PM
  MM,  at least the music had words then.
Last year I was reluctantly dragged along
to a posh club in Norway,  even in the VIP
area it was so loud I had to turn my
hearing aid off.

Mark

--------------------------------
Some days all I need is to have a
beer and be afloat.


This message was edited by psychicsurveyor on Jun-8-14 @ 2:16 PM


Keif'smate    -- Jun-8-2014 @ 6:06 PM
  PARDON!


Exile    -- Jun-9-2014 @ 12:20 AM
  Quote
" Last year I was reluctantly dragged along
to a posh club in Norway,  even in the VIP
area it was so loud I had to turn my
hearing aid off. "

I know quite a few Norwegians.
There is a standing joke between us about the fact that it seems that all Norwegians have super hero style hearing abilities. For some reason that seems to be a national trait.
A couple of examples....
A 48 year old friend from there asked "what the hell that horrible noise was" as we entered a Morrisons supermarket. I stood still and listened but could not hear a thing. It turned out that it was one of those buzzing noise producers that are put up to deter youngsters from loitering around outside the store. In theory  you are not supposed to be able to hear them once you get into your 20s due to natural decline in hearing ability.
I also took a photo of another Norwegian (late teens) on her iphone from quite a distance. She said (quite correctly) that I had pushed the button too long and had actually taken three pictures. I asked how she could have possible known that without looking first and was told that she heard it "click" three times. Given that the "click" on said phone is very quiet indeed and she was at least 30 feet away I was utterly amazed.

Given all that I am surprised that the music in their clubs is not on volume setting 1 rather than the setting 11 in PS experience!

Beautiful country if a touch expensive. Summer fjord sailing is without doubt the absolute tops.



JennyMorgan    -- Jun-9-2014 @ 9:48 AM
  Photographing young Norwegian ladies from a distance, umm, yes, quite a worrying admission is that  Evil Grin

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


Regulo    -- Jun-9-2014 @ 10:18 AM
  Before a mod steps in - we're way off the agreed purpose of this thread now. Wouldn't like to lose it (as has been threatened).

Regards, Ray.

It's the 21st century . . . so where's my nuclear-powered flying car, then?


mbird    -- Jun-9-2014 @ 11:27 AM
  Believe it or not, this was the sea just off Scroby sands yesterday morning. We took a short detour to do some seal watching on our way back from Southwold to kill a little time before our Yarmouth bridge lift.

Cheers

Mark


mbird    -- Jun-9-2014 @ 11:29 AM
  Unfortunately we did not ext to sea via Yarmouth on Saturday as the sea state was not suitable. Instead we exited from Lowestoft later in the day when it had calmed down a bit, and so the promised video won't appear. However, I did take a bit of video coming back in at Yarmouth so you can see what to expect, just from the reverse angle! I'll do a little bit of cutting it about and post it up shortly.

Cheers

Mark


mbird    -- Jun-9-2014 @ 11:44 AM
  And just to balance the view of the sea state, this is what it looked like at Gorleston Pier on Saturday morning at 8:30, and hence the reason we didn't head out that way, even in a gin palace!

Cheers

Mark


JennyMorgan    -- Jun-9-2014 @ 12:35 PM
  Wuss! Even BA has been out in rougher than that.

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


mbird    -- Jun-9-2014 @ 2:29 PM
  LOL

Ah, but BA is a proper wooden boat, not a plastic fantastic....! (and I confirm I am a Wuss!)

Cheers

Mark


Mercator    -- Jun-9-2014 @ 5:22 PM
 
   MODERATOR POST

this thread is here for logistics, planning, questions, advice (both offering and
seeking), boat safety, crew safety, suggestions and the like etc etc


Forumites  ... please keep this post for logistics , planning etc and not for general chat .

many thanks

Maggie
x



Steve & Maggie.

Magellan (Westward 38)

Not quite an ancient mariner ..... though some say he was at sea before Pontius was a pilate !


Exile    -- Jun-9-2014 @ 11:08 PM
  JM Guilty as charged!!



Edit to say....
OOPS! Sorry. Just saw the Mods post. Won't do it again.

This message was edited by Exile on Jun-9-14 @ 12:10 AM


Mike1    -- Jun-10-2014 @ 11:09 PM
  Hi everyone. I see that the meeting point is at Berney arms on the Friday but I'm probably only going to be able to make Stracey arms on Friday and go from there on Saturday morning. Is anybody else going from Stracey or am I on my own?
Many thanks....Mike.


JBx5    -- Jun-11-2014 @ 5:08 AM
  Hi Mike I was probably going moor there depending what time my son will finish work on the Friday, so will let you know.

Regards John


Mike1    -- Jun-11-2014 @ 8:10 AM
  Hi John. Look forward to possibly meeting you there.

Regards......Mike.


zeta    -- Jun-11-2014 @ 9:57 AM
  Mike,
Hi there,
I too was thinking of starting from the North, so maybe the Stracey Arms is a good idea. Hope to see you there.
Bill (Verdi B)


zeta    -- Jun-11-2014 @ 11:29 AM
  Griff,
I am confused, it is an age thing!!
For Clarity
Re BBQ list - Not sure if I have posted before,if so I apologise, Yes please for BBQ list 4 x adults.

Re starting point - We expect to join the flotilla at Gt Yarmouth side on Saturday.

Re mooring OBYS - I would prefer access to an electric hook up
Looking forward to the trip

Bill, Cheryl & 2 crew




Mike1    -- Jun-11-2014 @ 10:28 PM
  Hi Bill, looking forward to meeting you there.

...........Mike.


michelle.welsh    -- Jun-12-2014 @ 7:09 PM
  Wish we could join you. Sounds like fun.
Have a fab time Smile

Sunquest x

Happy Boating

Michelle & John
Sunquest


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-12-2014 @ 10:18 PM
 
@ Jason / LBBy  However a reserved car parking spot would be handy!!!!  We actually keep a red carpet in the boot ready, so you won't need to worry about this...   I think pink would be more your chosen shade?  -  As for reserved parking - need to speak to the local yokels on this one as I have only managed to book/reserve berths - The Wherry is close by if all else fails


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

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BroadAmbition    -- Jun-12-2014 @ 10:24 PM
 
@ Regulo,

I'll update the information post in a few ticks.

Mbird has now booked bridge lift at Haven for 1100 on the Saturday 12th.

The mustering point as it stands is Berney Arms Friday 11th overnight or Saturday morning at the same venue.  I expect we will slip and proceed at round 1015-1030 for a leisurely  passage over Breydon to arrive at Haven Bridge for 1100

However those wishing to depart from Stracey Arms Saturday morning and meet us at Haven bridge at 1100 are of course welcome to do so.  Remember Skippers - this lot is advisory not compulsory


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-12-2014 @ 10:40 PM
 
@ Jason / LBBy - I'll ring you tomorrow, but in the meantime, how many of your lot are intending to attend?

I'm thinking that between the craft at OBYS (That's all of us including the river flotilla) there maybe some skippers that have the odd berth spare and make it available for the overnight on Saturday - saving you having to fork out for hotels and the like.


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-12-2014 @ 10:48 PM
  @ Zeta - BBQ list updated, Tks for the notification


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

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BroadAmbition    -- Jun-13-2014 @ 6:38 AM
 

Ok,  Just gone through my PM list ref this C-in-C, getting caught up.

Catering numbers / money for BBQ  - I hope to talk with Jason at LBBy and The Admiral and get this sorted today.

I'll then post up how we can pay for BBQ etc.

More to follow


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-13-2014 @ 6:41 AM
 

Information Post  Updated - catering numbers and also Navigation - timing for Berney Arms / Stracey Arms


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


mbird    -- Jun-13-2014 @ 9:39 AM
  Hi Griff

Please add Sue and me to the catering list. The Information post does state that we would be included unless we noted otherwise, but just wanted to make sure we got fed! Smile

Also, I confirm the bridge is now booked for 12/07/14 at 11:00. I have given my boat name "Secret Lady" as lead contact, so vessel coordination will have to be done via us with Bridge control. Bridge is booked for 19 vessels outbound, but I will confirm with them the week before exactly how many vessels will be going through. If there are any boats that drop out, can you let me know so I can give them definite numbers please?

Just to add that if anyone wants my mobile number for this event, please PM me.

Cheers

Mark


This message was edited by mbird on Jun-13-14 @ 10:40 AM


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-13-2014 @ 10:50 AM
 
Ok Mark, numbers added to catering list.

Vessels as per the information post as it currently stands

Tks,


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


JBx5    -- Jun-13-2014 @ 12:18 PM
  Hi Griff as Mark thought you were including who was on the sign up list
So please book us down for 3 people if possible .

John


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-13-2014 @ 12:58 PM
 
Done


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


Amarsaday    -- Jun-13-2014 @ 8:14 PM
  Hi please add mars x2 to catering list  can't wait


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-13-2014 @ 10:56 PM
  Done as requested.

Me Neither  Smile


-------------------------------

Regulo ref post below - Done as requested


----------------------------------------

VGL - as per you post below - Done as requested



Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


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Regulo    -- Jun-14-2014 @ 4:53 AM
  Griff,

My original post to include Sunbird on the catering list has disappeared! So 2 please (self and Rene). Thanks.

Regards, Ray.

It's the 21st century . . . so where's my nuclear-powered flying car, then?


VGL    -- Jun-14-2014 @ 7:32 AM
  Griff,

Hi can you add us to the catering list please.

Lou & Col Happy Jax  (no mooring required)  Smile  

Thanks Lou



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readyabout    -- Jun-14-2014 @ 9:56 AM
 
quote:"......•     Assorted Hors D'oeuvres
•     Potato Salad in Dill Mayonnaise
•     Pasta Salad, Tricolour Fusilli with a Celery and Sweet Corn Dressing
•     Green Salad with Honey Mustard Vinaigrette
•     Gourmet Burger,  8 oz Burger on a Floured Bap, with Fried Onions
•     Spicy Chicken Wings
•     BBQ Pulled Pork on a Floured Bap
•     Chicken Satay with Peanut Sauce
•     Spicy Beef Skewers with Cucumber Yogurt Dressing......."

That'll do for starters....

Broadland Dream x 2.



Regards

Paul
________________________________________________________
'readyabout' - the first meaningful adult phrase from my childhood....


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-14-2014 @ 10:48 AM
 
That'll do for starters....

I wonder what he is offering for dessert?  Playful Wink

x 2 added as requested

---------------------------------------------

Forumites - if you wish to attend the BBQ but not arriving by boat - that is fine, just inform me of numbers in the normal manner - Tks.


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-14-2014 @ 11:24 AM
  Spoke with 'The Admiral' and LBBy.

( Admiral is/was cruising in sunshine down to Beccles - Jammy so and so,  Jason was busy in his field of expertise - Pump Outs  Evil Grin   )

Catering section of the 'Information Post' - updated

Payment for the BBQ - As you will be aware, Richard - NBF's very own 'Admiral' will be providing the catering in the form of a BBQ

The cost per head is £10 . . . . . . . . However Jason / LBBy have kindly offered to sponsor the event.  Numbers are likely to top out at around eighty odd - which would mean LBBy having to cough up £800:00  Gasp   which imho is a bit over the top.


So . . . . .  the cost is now reduced to £7:50 per person on the day to be paid as you get to the front on the queue.  (Please try to have the correct change available).  Of the monies collected £2:50 of each payment will be donated to the MTB102 trust.  The remaining £5 and the LBBy donation together will cover overheads with any surplus donated to forum funds.
Therefore due to the legendary generosity of LBBy there is now no need for anyone to try and send me or 'The Admiral' any monies prior to the event.
Could I ask for a few volunteers on the day to give up an odd half hour or so to assist Richard with serving up please? - Thanks


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


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waterline    -- Jun-15-2014 @ 8:03 AM
  Hi Griff
I will need a crew as circumstances have changed. I will be at Berney Arms on the Friday so anyone who wishes a passage to Oulton Broad Y/S is welcome.
Please put me down for the BBQ.
Tantalus IV

Regards
Roger


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-15-2014 @ 11:22 AM
 

Right you are Roger - one BBQ place booked as requested.

------------------------------

Ok Forumites, you heard the man - Roger needs a crew, from Berney Arms to OBYS (Via the smooth calm salty stuff) so anyone up for it?  Please post or pm in the normal manner.

(I'll put the same request over on t'other thread too)


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee Thames Pageant 2012 - H91

'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


Mike1    -- Jun-15-2014 @ 9:06 PM
  Hi Griff, please add two for the BBQ from Sea Breeze.

Many thanks...Mike.  Smile


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-15-2014 @ 10:55 PM
 
Done as requested.

-------------------------

I now have the laptop in my possession with our electronic navigation charts therein.  Therefore this week all I need is one evening un-interupted, I'll get the electronics fired up and the paper charts out and finalise the Navplan together with those all important tidal streams, tide heights etc.


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee
Thames Pageant 2012 -
H91

'Dreams do come true' -
Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-
10

www.grifftile.co.uk    
DN9


psamain    -- Jun-16-2014 @ 9:31 AM
  Hello to all.

I am new to the forum (and relatively speaking, to the Broads as well). I have recently signed up for the Salty Bottoms trip. Griff very kindly spoke with me over the weekend and suggested that I put a few notes on the forum for advice etc from other participants.

- My boat is called Mouche and is a 27' traditional scottish fishing boat

- She is a sea boat, but we can only manage about 4-5 knots, but have a new engine (35hp) and a good screw

- We are planning to get to Berney Arms late afternoon/early evening on Friday 11th, leaving Reedham at about 4pm or so

- As we will be punching tide on Sat morning across Breydon Water, we believe we will need to leave Berney Arms by about 9:30AM on Sat morning for an 11am bridge opening. We are 9'-6' air draft so I think we will need the lift at HW ?

- HW at Haven is at about 10:30am as I understand it (1 hr after Gorleston)

- The distance from Haven to the GY piers down the Yare is approx 3 miles (as I understand it), so with tide, I guess it will take me about 1/2hr - 3/4 hr ?

- The tidal stream between Lowestoft and GY (if I am reading it correctly) is about 2 kts (its springs), so we will make about 2-3 kts over the ground.

- On that basis, assuming we leave GY at around 11:45 - 12 noon, we will get to Lowestoft by about 15:45 - 16:00, assuming no adverse weather.

- Low water is at about 16:35 at Lowestoft on Sat 12th I think ?

- The last bridge lift in Lowestoft is 4pm I believe, so it might be a bit nip and tuck for us. The bugout is to go into the RNSYC visitors berth and overnight there. This would mean going through the bridge and Mutford Lock on Sunday morning rather than Sat pm.

- All of the above makes us 'the slow boat' I think, so if there are any others in the same position it would be good to link up if possible

- Views and comments/corrections to the above would be very welcome

Best wishes

Peter S






Mirage    -- Jun-16-2014 @ 10:47 AM
  Just a very quick note as supposed to be working, not looking at the forum!

Thank you to Jason & LBBY for sponsoring the BBQ at the OBYS meet up on July 12th, and of course to Richard for putting on what we hope will be a lovely birthday feast [It is both Sonia and Laureen's birthdays on the same day] Smile  Smile   Tinhat   Tinhat

Cheers Jason very generous of you.

Simon


The Corsican


mbird    -- Jun-16-2014 @ 11:08 AM
  It is also Sue's birthday on 11th, so a triple celebration!

Our thanks also to Jason for a very generous offer!

Cheers

Mark


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-16-2014 @ 11:20 AM
 
'Information' post updated - Navigation


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee
Thames Pageant 2012 -
H91

'Dreams do come true' -
Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-
10

www.grifftile.co.uk    
DN9


mbird    -- Jun-16-2014 @ 1:27 PM
  Hi Peter

I believe you are the boat moored almost opposite us in Reedham Marina? We are "Secret Lady", one of the Sealine 350 flybridges.

I would think your timings are about right. You will not need Breydon bridge lifted (though it will be lifting anyway for other boats) but will have to wait until the 11:00 lift at Haven bridge I would think, since we'll almost be on springs all bar 2 days.

Regarding the bridge lifts at Lowestoft, there are lifts after 16:00, at 18:00, 19:00, 21:00 and 24:00 at weekends. You won't get through Mutford lock much after 17:00 unless by special arrangement though. It's entirely possible you might get under Bascule Bridge without having a lift as it will be approaching low water at the time you arrive, so it's always worth a call to Lowestoft Harbour to ask how much clearance they have.

Cheers

Mark


psamain    -- Jun-16-2014 @ 4:58 PM
  Thanks Mark - yes we are opposite you at Reedham. Thanks for the info Re the Bascule Bridge. Looks like Mutford Lock will be the pinch point. I think I will book a mooring at RNSYC to be on the safe side, but with a following wind and a fair tide (literally) we might get up to Mutford by 5 I guess.
Thanks again
Yours
Peter S


mbird    -- Jun-17-2014 @ 9:26 AM
  Hi Peter

RNSYC can be a bit reluctant to book visitor moorings, so it's usually a suck-it-and-see situation as to whether there is any space on their visitor pontoon on the day. However, don't forget there are also the two Haven marinas that will book you in. The outer one is in Hamilton Dock opposite RNSYC, and has good pontoons but a bit "industrial". The other Haven site is much nearer Oulton Broad (about 10 mins walk), and directly opposite is the Lowestoft Cruising Club who also welcome visitors.

I've marked up a Google map view of Lake Lothing so you can see where these are. The satellite view is obviously a bit out of date as it shows no pontoons in Hamilton dock, but rest assured they are there! Hope that helps Smile

Cheers

Mark


This message was edited by mbird on Jun-17-14 @ 10:28 AM


psamain    -- Jun-17-2014 @ 4:12 PM
  Thanks Mark - you are right - RNSYC would not allow a pre-booking so I have booked one at the Haven.

Thanks

Peter S


waterline    -- Jun-17-2014 @ 9:38 PM
  My thanks to those of you who replied to my request for crew. As I cannot open your replies please contact me on rogerandedie@tiscali.co.uk with your details and experience and I will email you back.
Roger

Regards
Roger


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-19-2014 @ 11:21 PM
 

Ok - this evening after the disappointment of Englands latest defeat (amongst many) - I cheered mysen up by sorting out the NAVPLAN

Therefore the 'Information' post 'Navigation' has been updated with tidal streams, tide times, heading bearings and the like.  Any questions or suggestions?


Only 3 x weeks to go, getting exciting and closer by the day now  Smile

Can someone step forward to be wx (Weather) God?  we need to start applying to Neptune for a favourable sea state.

Sea State 'Slight' I would offer is our maximum sea state we would wish to venture out in. (Although bordering on a northerly moderate can be done)  I've had 'B.A' out in a proper moderate - it is not fun and not worth putting crew / craft at risk imho


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee
Thames Pageant 2012 -
H91

'Dreams do come true' -
Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-
10

www.grifftile.co.uk    
DN9


Pauline&Phill    -- Jun-20-2014 @ 7:57 AM
  I asked Griff recently if any music was planned for the BBQ at the
Cin C, 'No but it would be nice', came the reply, together with a
suggestion that I give it a go to get some sorted.
It's late and as it's basically a party, we need to pay.  I have three £50
offers in, and would think£300 should be enough. If you are willing to
pledge a share and just have the money there on the night, please
PM me.

Best wishes,

Pauline

Once we were Rondonay, now we
are simply Brilliant!



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Regulo    -- Jun-20-2014 @ 8:39 AM
  Blimey, Katherine Jenkins works cheap nowadays. Smile

Regards, Ray.

It's the 21st century . . . so where's my nuclear-powered flying car, then?


SOS247    -- Jun-20-2014 @ 9:05 PM
  :)




www.facebook.com/ludhambridgeboatyard



They say that 'Hard work never killed
anyone' however, sleepless nights,
stress, not taking breaks & not eating
correctly may just get you there early!!


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JennyMorgan    -- Jun-20-2014 @ 9:13 PM
  I have the means, probably. One daughter is a DJ, the
other plays what I suppose is progressive, electric
violin, she's just back from a tour of Europe. Black
Lace & Barry Manilow they are not, however they are
both well thought of by their fans. I can only ask.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rebecca-Waller-Electric-violinist/324686767543386

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/



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Pauline&Phill    -- Jun-21-2014 @ 4:59 AM
  Wow, Peter! I have put an offer out and will know today if One Hand Clapping can take it up, if not, you are definitely next!

Best wishes,

Pauline

Once we were Rondonay, now we
are simply Brilliant!


tadlow2    -- Jun-22-2014 @ 7:50 PM
  Griff
Can you put Dave & Diana down for the BBQ.
(no mooring required ,driving down)

Many Thanks

Cheers
Dave.

'That bridge seems a Tad Low Too'

La Concha


mbird    -- Jun-24-2014 @ 8:51 AM
  Hi Griff

Just read you navigation additions on page 1, but can't comment at the moment as I don't have my charts with me. Sounds about right though.

Just one thing to add is that I will be driving to Gorleston early on Saturday morning to take a look at the sea state and will report back before we leave Reedham marina. It's no good getting to the harbour entrance and then deciding not to go, as once you are under Haven bridge you are pretty well committed unless you fancy tying up on Town Hall Quay until the next booked bridge lift, as they won't lift it again for you to pass back under.

Cheers

Mark


CaptBryan    -- Jun-27-2014 @ 9:51 AM
  Griff, you may wish to look at this forecast as it now
goes out to 12.07.14.
My background makes me put a lot of store in Jetstream
activity and it is looking not too bad for you.
regards.

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=jetstream

Captain Howe.

The Eagle may soar majestic,
but you don't suck a Stoat
into your jet engines.
Please leave the water and
banks as you would wish to
find them.


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JennyMorgan    -- Jun-27-2014 @ 10:55 AM
  Unfortunately Pauline couldn't get Kathleen Jenkins, seems that she was already booked. Instead Pauline has taken the brave step of going completely native, doing diffrant! Electric violin & keyboard, with a spot of vocals.

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


Speleologist    -- Jun-27-2014 @ 11:00 AM
 
quote:"......
Electric violin & keyboard, with a spot of vocals.
......."

Should be fun!

Robin
www.robin.me.uk
"Posthabui tamen illorum mea seria ludo"


TerryTibbs    -- Jun-27-2014 @ 11:13 AM
  You'd never know that was your Daughter Pete! Playful Wink  Should be a good Day, I hope the weather holds up.

dave

if it is to be it is up to me!

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JennyMorgan    -- Jun-27-2014 @ 2:34 PM
  Even I'm not quite sure what to expect! Rebecca has played at Glastonbury, including Willie Nelson's band. Featured with Dr Drub(?) in Paris, played at the Edinburgh Fringe, played classics in various orchestras and played jazz at night-clubs in Amsterdam and Newfoundland for example. In other words her repertoire is varied! This morning she was working on her arrangement of Bright Eyes, delightful, hope she plays it on the night.

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
Worth a read:
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


zacthedog    -- Jun-27-2014 @ 3:50 PM
  Sorry to go off topic, but.
Peter, 'I' can definatly see the family ressemblance, she is on the fiddle...  Evil Grin
i know you wouldn't fiddle anything, but too good to miss that old joke  Playful Wink

Gary
A bad day on the Broads is better than a good day at work !
forum girly swot 19/3/2010 (IP3)
OFFICIAL QUIZ TEDDY THROWER 2011


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-27-2014 @ 11:29 PM
 
Tadlow2 - Done as requested

CaptBryan - Tks, looks promising

Peter - very much looking forward to seeing your daughter (And hearing her  Playful  )  MrsG - very impressed when I told her.

I spoke with the skipper of MTB102 and Humber yesterday - both vessels are good to go as things stand.

We are now up to 78 for the BBQ, just waiting on a few more confirming.


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JennyMorgan    -- Jun-27-2014 @ 11:46 PM
  Hope that we can raise a pound or two for charity whilst we are at it.

Hope that those who missed the Northern Rivers Meet can make it to Oulton Broad. I can only offer camping space but, as I wrote before, it's here if anyone needs it.

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BroadAmbition    -- Jun-28-2014 @ 12:11 AM
 

Peter - we are hoping to raise funds for the NBF, (try to make up some of this years shortfall on previous years total at the recent meet) and also a donation toward the MTB102 coffers.

I'm proper looking forward to seeing your daughters live performance, which reminds me, just how come you have such a talented and good looking daughter - How did you manage that then?  Playful Wink


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Pauline&Phill    -- Jun-28-2014 @ 4:55 AM
  It would be nice to raise a bit more for NBF, although, while the Auction was well down, the raffle and tombola may well have been OK, especially as the raffle sells online.

Best wishes,

Pauline

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SOS247    -- Jun-28-2014 @ 7:49 PM
 
I was speaking to someone today and they suggested it would be an ideal time to also raise money for the RNLI, a very worthy cause.

So I will start the ball rolling and add £200 into the charity kitty. (thats me spent out this year!)

Regards
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SOS247    -- Jun-28-2014 @ 8:24 PM
 
Hi

Ive donated to a few people who use www.justgiving.com , so it maybe worth setting this up?

Its easy to keep track of & tax relief is sometimes gained etc.....

Regards
Jason


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Alex&Lorna    -- Jun-28-2014 @ 9:00 PM
  We will add fifty quid to that worthy cause Jason - a great idea

Alex & Lorna


Perfectlady9    -- Jun-29-2014 @ 7:42 PM
  Griff, can I add one more to the Saturday night barbecue please. Total 3 for Sappire.

Doug.

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BroadAmbition    -- Jun-29-2014 @ 7:56 PM
 
Done as requested

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BroadAmbition    -- Jun-30-2014 @ 9:43 PM
 

Wx forecasting - I'm using this site:-

http://www.myweather2.com/Marine/Coastal-Areas/United-Kingdom/Off-Great-Yarmouth.aspx?sday=0&eday=7

As you can see for Sun 6th July - wave height :2m (200mm) every 4:6 secs  = gentle swell, coming down from the North - Ideal

The site will update a day further in advance the nearer we get to 'Our Day'


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JennyMorgan    -- Jun-30-2014 @ 10:08 PM
  Griff, hope that's not the weather forecaster that you used when returning from The Smoke.

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Mike1    -- Jun-30-2014 @ 10:14 PM
  Oh I do hope its like that Griff. Getting proper excited now. The wife says I'm like a kid on Christmas eve.... Smile
Is there not some old salty sea dog trick you know that we could all do to appease the Gods and give us fine weather and seas?...... Wink


BroadAmbition    -- Jun-30-2014 @ 10:38 PM
 
JM - It's the one I used for our South bound transit - and they were bang on.  The North bound, well I used 3 x different ones, they all agreed with each other and they all got it wrong! - As did I for believing them!

Mike - Yes there is, but you need a mermaid to mention but just one item and I have yet to see one within the Broads system  Wink  (But ever the optimist)


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zacthedog    -- Jun-30-2014 @ 10:49 PM
  Griff, ex navy, thought you would know mermaids live in salt water, unlikly to see one on the system.
Hope the weather holds, really really hopd...

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BroadAmbition    -- Jun-30-2014 @ 11:45 PM
 
Ah but ZTD - Mermaids have conventional 'uman 'Lungs'  Playful

And besides is not Breydon, the Lower Waveney / Yare etc predominately salt water on a flood tide?

You're not the only one who has everything crossed for a calm sea state on Sat 12th


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johnm    -- Jul-1-2014 @ 7:43 AM
 
quote:"......
The North bound, well I used 3 x different ones, they all agreed with each other and they all got it wrong!
......."


Blush
Tinhat

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JennyMorgan    -- Jul-1-2014 @ 8:46 AM
  My bit of dried seaweed hung up in the shed got it right!
This might prove useful:
http://www.windguru.cz/int/index.php?sc=24118
That said, I find the NBF 5 day forecast pretty much spot on.

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londonrascal    -- Jul-1-2014 @ 9:19 AM
  I am not sure if this link will work, if not your need to go to the main site www.buoyweather.com - Click Europe then United Kingdom and zoom down to between Great Yarmouth and Lowestoft.

You get a couple of days forecast free - but the good thing is it is getting data from the weather Buoys themselves I believe so will be very local to the area.

Here is the one for us: http://www.buoyweather.com/wxnav6.jsp?program=nww3BW1&grb=nww3®ion=UK&latitude=52.5&longitude=2.0&zone=0&units=m&reqLatitude=52.53627304145948&reqLongitude=1.845703125

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psamain    -- Jul-1-2014 @ 2:21 PM
  Grif - apologies for not saying sooner but can we have 2 BBQ 'tickets' for Sat night for Mouche please

Thanks

Peter S


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-1-2014 @ 7:57 PM
 
Done.

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Mirage    -- Jul-1-2014 @ 9:12 PM
  Jason, ref. RNLI, we are already Offshore full members, but Please count The Corsicans in for £50 for your fund raising.
Simon

The Corsican


psychicsurveyor    -- Jul-1-2014 @ 9:34 PM
  I am hoping to still be in Brundall on the
12th, where would be a good place to
stand and shout abuse, sorry, I mean see
the parade of boats, preferably both
flotillas and what sort of time would be
best.

Just reread the above, before anyone
says it, I don't mean where in Brundall, I
will drive over as we are returning home
early Sunday.
Mark

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-1-2014 @ 10:18 PM
 
Ok river flotilla - anywhere from The Fishermans bar through to OBYS - Best keep an eye on the relevant thread or ask ZTD

Salty Types - adjacent to Haven Bridge GYA at 1100 or anywhere downstream to GYA piers thereafter.

Then at Lowestoft harbour entrance, listen to vhf / pmr or txt/mobile phone and ask for eta. Mutford Lock area or at OBYS

Both flotillas together - OBYS but they will be stationary.  There maybe a chance (Again depending on ZTD and the river goers) for both flotillas to meet  between Haven and Breydon bridges just before 1100

Hope this helps,


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psychicsurveyor    -- Jul-1-2014 @ 10:37 PM
  Thanks Griff. Hope to wave to you all.  Cheers

Mark

--------------------------------
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beer and be afloat.


SOS247    -- Jul-1-2014 @ 10:53 PM
  Just for interest Griff...

1. how many people are attending the NBF end event?
2. Can you advise whats on the menu? I just want to know whats being
purchased & cooked and if its enough?
3. I have a plan b if required

Regards
Jason

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-1-2014 @ 11:26 PM
 
Jason - current figures put it at around 81 - that is signed up for the BBQ, maybe a few more attending but not making use of the BBQ.

Menu - go to the 2nd post of this thread 'Information' - it's all there


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ncsl    -- Jul-2-2014 @ 8:10 AM
  Bascal bridge opening times are   14.30, 16.00, 18.00 hrs.

Do you have a planned ( things can change we know ) entry time ?



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mbird    -- Jul-2-2014 @ 8:50 AM
  Griff wrote:
quote:"......
As you can see for Sun 6th July - wave height :2m (200mm) every 4:6 secs  = gentle swell, coming down from the North - Ideal
......."



I do hope you meant 0.2m Griff!!

I tend to mainly use MyWeather2.com which has tended to be more accurate in the past than Windguru for wave height prediction. Another one that seems reasonably accurate is Yachting Weather app by Esirion on iPhones.

Cheers

Mark


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-2-2014 @ 8:48 PM
 
Ncsl - there is a tidal stream running against us, plus we will no doubt be having photo runs with the two historic s etc, and there is also a craft with us who can only make 5mph at best so I would have though 1600.

But no definite eta planned - subject to change of course

Mbird - yes of course I did, if you get yer specs on you will see there is a ':' before the '2' therefore 200mm, sorry if this caused anyone any confusion or gave anyone a scare  Smile


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w-album    -- Jul-2-2014 @ 9:10 PM
  I wish everyone a great weekend ~ sorry WR won't be there (and certainly not at sea) and that isn't Jason's fault just I'm too preoccupied with another interest!

Water Rail, 81 years old this year and still looking beautful!


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-2-2014 @ 9:13 PM
 

IMPORTANT

There is now a cut-off time for crews wishing to use the BBQ facility offered on the Saturday teatime.

You must have let us know nlt than this Saturday 05th 2359

Richard is at present catering for getting on for ninety   Gasp  and he needs sufficient time to get himself organised - Well get the scran ordered in etc.

Thanks


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VGL    -- Jul-4-2014 @ 6:13 AM
  Hi Griff,

Can you add 3 more to our party for the BBQ please.

That's Happy Jax x 5

Thanks

Lou


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-4-2014 @ 6:46 AM
 
Done,  Smile


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zacthedog    -- Jul-4-2014 @ 8:10 AM
  Did i order my food??? no idea, would be nice to eat, soak up the beer, Griff if ok will phone you tonight?

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-4-2014 @ 8:54 AM
 

According to Post 4 on your thread - you are down for food x 2 - Do try to keep up! (I'm in this evening btw)


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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-4-2014 @ 1:37 PM
  Entering Lowestoft

Lowestoft Harbour, Lowestoft Bridge, Oulton Rail Bridge, Mutford Road Bridge, Mutford Lock:-

Ok pay attention,  we have 21 craft (Or thereabouts) to safely navigate the above named locations.
We will cause a bottleneck if we all arrive at the same time, therefore once we have finished ‘Playing’ and photo opportunities the quicker craft can crack on to Lowestoft and Lake Lothing (In company please) thereby breaking up the flotilla arrival times.  Us more sedate craft can cruise along, again in company to Lowestoft.  No single craft will be left solo cruising. and there will be a dedicated 'Sea' boat with us to act as safety boat

12th July Low water at Lowestoft (Mutford) is at 1630 – we are on springs so it will be a very low, Low water

In order then:-

Harbour entrance – if you see 3 x vertical red lights – do not proceed, Green / White / Green – proceed with caution when ordered to do so.


Lowestoft Bridge VHF CH 14 (Port Control) Tel:- 01502 572286
Airdraft average High Water (1000) 6ft – does not concern us
Airdraft average Low water (1630) 13ft
Lifting times are 1430 and 1600 but must be requested with 30 mins notice


Oulton Rail Bridge
At average low water airdraft is 24ft, we shall be there approaching low water so this should not be an issue


Mutford Road Bridge VHF CH73/14  Tel:- 01502 531788
Airdraft average high water 7ft 10”
Airdraft average low water 13ft 10” (Likely to be more on the day due to Low water springs)
Low water is at 1630 which is a bonus
Mutford road bridge is restricted to six lifts per day. They have dedicated set opening times of 1515 and 1645 but will lift at other times if requested.  They will not lift the bridge between the hours of 1700 – 1800, by then we should be all through anyhow. We must organise ourselves so that the highest boats go through together to make use of limited lifts of the road bridge if required.
Skippers you know your own crafts dimensions, if your airdraft is more that 13ft  – please organise yourselves to pass Mutford road bridge in company with other vessels that may require a lift.  The rest of us that don’t need a bridge lift, keep clear of the larger craft, we can go before or after them


Mutford Lock VHF CH73/14  Tel:- 01502 531788
Dimensions 72ft x 21ft
Again we must organise ourselves to make full use of the lock dimensions to keep locking down to a minimum,
It is feasible for four craft to lock up at the same time and we need to do so where possible. Skippers - again look at the craft around you with regards to locking in and ‘buddying’ up (Not sure if that is the correct terminology but it will suffice)
The staff at OBYS/Mutford lock/Road bridge are aware of our intentions for the day, as is port control at Lowestoft.  There is a fee for using Mutford lock £11 per craft.

Lastly ‘Lastdraft’ – where are you?  I thought you had volunteered to sort this out? (Well Mutford Lock then) – No matter I’ve spent the morning on the phone/researching so we are now sorted.

I will update this post under the 'Information' post section 'Navigation' in the normal manner


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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-4-2014 @ 2:14 PM
 
Update:-

Comms - It is strongly recommended that all craft carry a PMR (CH4) for inter-ship comms as previously mentioned.  If you do not have one, Mbird has 2 x spare PMR's he is willing to lend out along with a hand-held vhf (You need a license to transmit)

'B.A' has 3 x spare PMR's available, I think 'The Corsican' may have a spare one also.  If you need one please ask.

Skipper of Tantalus V is a member of the 'National Coastwatch Institution' (NCI) He will be calling his colleges up (VHF CH37) Saturday forenoon who are at end of South Pier Gorleston for a report on the sea state.  Mbird is also going to get up early (For him anyway) and take a drive to the coast to make use of his excellent MkI Port and Stbd look-outs with regards to the sea-state.  I will be calling the Harbour master at GYA for him to to the same shortly before we slip and proceed for Haven Bridge.

Coastguard - I will notify the coastguard by phone on the morning of the 12th our expected time of departure and arrival times with boat names and crew numbers.  If your craft is 'CG66' registered then let me know. I will ring them again after we are safely through Lowestoft Bridge on arrival

Skippers - please take a minute to read and refresh yourselves with the 2nd post on this thread 'Information post', it has been updated many times. Your boat / crew should by now be very close to being ready in all respects.

Lastly (For this post anyway) come the day, that is the forenoon of Sat 12th - even if the sea state is calm, there is no pressure for you to proceed out to sea, if you choose to revert to Plan 'B' you are most welcome to do so.  It is your call and yours alone.


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Mirage    -- Jul-4-2014 @ 8:24 PM
  UPDATE FOR HISTORIC BOAT PASSENGERS

MTB trust have made the following request.

Please ensure that you arrive at the Newsomes yard BY 10.00 on Saturday morning of the 12th.

NB. Newsomes is a working yard and parking is limited and first come first served, so you may arrive to find that you have to park your car elsewhere off site. Whatever, if you are not ready to sail at 10.30, she WILL leave without you!!

Simon



The Corsican


Mirage    -- Jul-4-2014 @ 8:29 PM
  Griff

I can confirm we have a spare PMR radio on TC we can lend to any CINC traveller who might need one for this event.
Simon

If you are on the CINC and would like to borrow my spare PMR please send a PM

Simon


The Corsican


Mirage    -- Jul-4-2014 @ 8:33 PM
  Griff, I spoke with Jason (LBBY) today and he wil being touch with his friends at GY pilots office for a further report on sea state for the trip.

Simon

The Corsican


Mirage    -- Jul-4-2014 @ 10:09 PM
  Our spare PMR is now booked out to a fellow CINCer

Simon

The Corsican


londonrascal    -- Jul-4-2014 @ 10:22 PM
  Just a little note for all those attending this Cruise in Company (and the one via river too) that I have designed and had printed some cards and postcards to keep as a souvenir of this trip Smile

There should be enough cards for every person who is taking part be it by sea or river, but because to go out to sea is special and with a flotilla like this extra special (not to mention for some skippers this maybe their first trip in the salty stuff) you, will have a special edition post card to remember the day.

I will try and get them to everyone but otherwise just stop me and ask for yours.

Let's all have a great time with great weather Smile

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waterline    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 5:58 AM
  If Mbird goes and has a look at the sea it will only tell us the conditions at that time. If the wind is in the east conditions can rapidly change. GYA port control cannot see the sea, only by camera. I will contact Gorleston N.C.I. before departing Berney Arms as they are right above the entrance where the worst conditions usually prevail.

Regards
Roger


JennyMorgan    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 7:37 AM
  Re the foul tide, going further offshore might. and I stress might mean that you meet a slack or even a flood tide. Well worth digging out a tidal flow chart and time table.

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 9:03 AM
 
JM - I tried doing just that on the electronic charts t'other night there when doing the passage planning. - It won't work, by the time we found a favourable tidal stream, we'd be that far offshore the distance covered there and back, we could have made Den Helder!  Smile


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JennyMorgan    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 9:43 AM
  Den Helder, now, there's an idea!

Griff, did you get my e-mail re BBQ? 4 now confirmed, at last.

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JennyMorgan    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 9:47 AM
  Weathers looking better, no % chance of snow, very promising!!
http://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/lowestoft/nr32-1/daily-weather-forecast/330939?day=8


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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 9:58 AM
 
0% chance of any ice either!  Smile

Its the wave height primarily that concerns me, followed by swell direction and lastly wind speed.

It's improving all the time now down to less that 1m Friday evening 11th at 2100

http://www.myweather2.com/Marine/Global-Ports/United-Kingdom/Lowestoft.aspx?sday=0&eday=7

Ref you BBQ requirements (E-mail) - Yes I did thanks, noted and updated in the relevant sections


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JennyMorgan    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 10:05 AM
  A 1m swell, wow, the powers that be won't let you cross Breydon in that! You'll all have to go down the coast in that case Playful Wink

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 10:30 AM
 
JM - That post Sir, - is one out of the top drawer  Cheers

I know it was said in jest - But it theoretically could happen!  Picture the scenario, 0800 a ba ranger instructs me at GYA Yacht station that Breydon is closed, so down the Yare I go, out to sea, 1m swell - not ideal but from experience with 'B.A' - easily manageable, 2 x Hrs later I'm at Mutford lock, lock through then down the Waveney to Burgh Castle, fishermans bar, arrival time roughly 1300 and the same ranger stops me going over Breydon again!  LOL


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Regulo    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 10:42 AM
  I've just read Griff's post "Entering Lowestoft". Can I make a request? If I listen on PMR channel 4, can someone shout "Sunbird, do this", or "Sunbird, do that", please? All this technical stuff is worrying me! Just tell me what to do, and when to do it, and I'll be happy. Smile

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 10:57 AM
 
Consider it done Ray, I want to avoid 21 x craft calling up port authorities on vhf immediately consequentiality.  As we enter in groups, 1 x craft will do the vhf thing per group, then pass instructions to the rest of the group via the PMR (Those that have vhf will or should be keeping a listening watch anyhow) You will then be 'kept an eye on' and instructed accordingly.

Hope that helps,


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Lastdraft    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 12:54 PM
  Any idea of how many moorings available at Berney Arms ? looks to me like it could be crowded with boats from the North on the NBF Cin C over nighting as well as all the boats from the South on the Salty trip ? not counting boats not involved, it could be an early introduction for us all if we have to double up ?


zacthedog    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 1:10 PM
  http://the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=22&Topic=34485 If any decides, or if weather and sea conditions change your plans,
se here for your back up cruise.



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Regulo    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 1:22 PM
  Griff, that's what I wanted to hear! Smile . Now all I need to know is what "group" I'm in. Evil Grin

Regards, Ray.

It's the 21st century . . . so where's my nuclear-powered flying car, then?


finny    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 1:39 PM
  Every thing is coming along very nice .....could I ask if it would be possible for everyone to post their Photos and tales on this thread rather than many different post all over the forum please


looks like a great adventure ....have fun ..and can the poor soles who cant be there have plenty of photos please

thank you

Finny


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-5-2014 @ 3:30 PM
  Right, Lastdraft - Correct, Berney Arms is likely to be busy - Good - More the merrier.  There is a fair length of moorings down from the pub past the windpump, and if we have to double moor, then double moor we will do, in the normal fashion, big uns on the inside, little uns on the outside, I can't see this being much of an issue.

Finny - Yep, this thread will be as good as anywhere imho. Londonrascal will be doing a blog / video of sorts no doubt.

Ray - You hang in there mate, 'Your' group will be whoever you are with at the time.  We will be all together in one large flotilla for probably two thirds of the way there, it will only get broken up slightly for entering harbour and then it is likely to be only 2 x groups anyway, it's nowt to worry about.

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Timings:-

Craft/Crews - as you are aware will be at either Stracey Arms or Berney Arms moorings (Including the River Flotilla)

We have to be at Haven Bridge for the lift booked for 1100

Stracey to Vauxhall bridge is 8 x miles - I will leave it to you skippers to get yourselves there on time, However it would be prudent to arrive slightly early, and meet the rest of us between Breydon / Haven Bridge.

Berney Arms to Bure mouth is around 4 x miles.  Therefore we will slip and proceed no later than 1000 BUT I'd prefer if we slipped at 0930 to meet up with the craft coming down from Stracey Arms moorings.

Add to this any of the river flotilla that would like to meet up at the same time?

That means potentially 30 odd craft in the same vicinity of water, but it's a large expanse of water with plenty of room as long as we give a wide berth and leave plenty of room for any other vessels coming down/up the Bure around that yellow post.  If we can take 50+ craft on a NBF C-in-C from St Benets through Horning to Salhouse without incident, we can manage 30 up river of Haven Bridge.

Then come 1100 the salty bottomers can proceed down river through Haven Bridge with the river flotilla making there merry way over Breydon.

Simple?  Any questions / suggestions?

---------------------------------------

'B.A' will be sailing from Stalham Friday 11th forenoon, calling in at Acle Bridge Fri lunchtime then sailing early afternoon for Berney Arms.  Low tide at GYA being around 1600 - this is perfect.  We will overnight at Berney Arms - Craft welcome alongside if you wish


That's all for now, I'll update the 'information post' yet again then.



Edit:-
Forgot to mention the wx forecast is improving by the hour, the sea state for Fri 11th at 2100 now down to 0:6m from the North.  If it doesn't get any better than that (Which it should) it will be good enough.




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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-7-2014 @ 12:28 AM
 

I've been looking at the sign up list under 'Forum Events' and I'm a bit lost to be honest, some forumites who have signed up have since cancelled and cannot remove their names from said list.  Therefore take a look at the 'information post' (Post two of this thread) and if your boats name is not on it please let me know, same thing applies if your boats name is on it an no longer should be.

Moorings - there are just 24 available, I have allocated these on a first come first served basis, so if your boats name is not on the list for OBYS reserved moorings - please make your own arrangements with the Wherry Hotel or wherever you decide to please yourself.

Elec - if you need elec - please let me know before Thursday Lunchtime, otherwise I hope we can just take pot luck.  I have just e-mailed OBYS with what is I hope the finalised list of boat names.

Mutford Bridge lifts at 1515 and 1645, if your boat has 13ft airdraft or more - then you need a lift, please be at the bridge for the promulgated times.

Thanks

Just checked the sea stare forecast again, Sat 12th now showing on their page, swell - now down to 0:4m at 1200 falling to 0:3m by 1500 from the north which means of course a following sea - it's looking good.

http://www.myweather2.com/Marine/Global-Ports/United-Kingdom/Lowestoft.aspx?sday=0&eday=7


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Regulo    -- Jul-7-2014 @ 10:47 PM
  Let's get this straight - Mutford Lock is 21ft wide: Sunbird is 14ft (or thereaouts) with fenders down. So are there any salty-bottomed craft 7ft wide? I need a buddy! Playful

Signed, Billy-no-mates Ray.

Regards, Ray.

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-7-2014 @ 10:57 PM
 

You do!  it is also 72ft long so a bow on, on the opposite side of the lock to you tight up will do it!

Having just checked my wx forecast station they are now forecasting 0:4m falling to 0:3m swell from the North 'up our chuff' with a North West wind strength of between 3 and 5 kts

Bring it on  Cheers


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Regulo    -- Jul-7-2014 @ 11:03 PM
  Oh, no! He wants some of us going backwards now! Just 'cos he can traverse Wroxham Bridge in that manner. Wink

Regards, Ray.

It's the 21st century . . . so where's my nuclear-powered flying car, then?


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-7-2014 @ 11:07 PM
 
ROFPML   Cheers


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CaptBryan    -- Jul-8-2014 @ 6:00 AM
  If the weather is warm and sunny I would expect the breeze to shift to the East about 1200 to 1300 as the sea breezes kick in, as I expect you will no be far off shore. You will also be wind over tide fora bit so your wave period will shorten slightly. Overall looking very good for you all. BON VOYAGE.

Captain Howe.

The Eagle may soar majestic,
but you don't suck a Stoat
into your jet engines.
Please leave the water and
banks as you would wish to
find them.


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-8-2014 @ 7:24 PM
 
If the sea state is like this it will be just fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw05a2V_jn8


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Cocklegat    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 11:36 AM
  This link may be useful for you guys.
https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/cgi-bin/wxmap_loop.cgi?&area=15km_europe&prod=sgwvht&dtg=2014070900&set=All


Mercator    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 11:53 AM
  Hi, Cocklegat.

Currently there's a problem with the website on that link.

Steve.

Steve & Maggie.

Magellan (Westward 38)

Not quite an ancient mariner ..... though some say he was at sea before Pontius was a pilate !


Speleologist    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 1:42 PM
  The problem with the website is that it is secure, but uses a certificate that has not been signed by a recognised authority (Probably signed in house by the US military). Some browsers (e.g. Firefox) will let you bypass the warnings. Others by default won't.

Robin
www.robin.me.uk
"Posthabui tamen illorum mea seria ludo"


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 4:29 PM
  Ok General request please:-

A chap from 'Motor Boat Monthly' wants to cover the event for his magazine.  He needs a lift salty side for the day.

Anyone got room for one?

Let me know asap and I'll exchange details - thanks,

---------------------------------------

Edit - Two of them just for the day but no overnight accommodation required, thanks


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Cocklegat    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 5:14 PM
  I'm using safari and the site should work on that.

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/cgi-bin/wxmap_loop.cgi?&area=15km_europe&prod=sgwvht&dtg=2014070900&set=All

the main link is here: http://www.usno.navy.mil/FNMOC/

Gives a good indication of wave height, decreasing by the weekend, Looking out my window now, out to sea,  you won't want to be off Lowestoft toady!



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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 5:37 PM
 

Panic over - px for MBO - Now sorted.  Tks to those who got in contact.  Cheers


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zacthedog    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 7:10 PM
  Just to let you all know,  the commodore has set a bbq start time of 5.00pm, thats 1700 hours for you sea dogs. Allowing time for every one to arrive.

Gary
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Speleologist    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 8:07 PM
 
quote:"......
thats 1700 hours for you sea dogs
......."

Surely you mean "Two bells of the first Dog Watch"?

Robin
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"Posthabui tamen illorum mea seria ludo"


JennyMorgan    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 8:58 PM
  Gosh, that's early! What time do you guys want music?

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 9:09 PM
 
There is over 100 + to get fed - that is going to take a while JM - So Music - You are chief co-ordinator on that one I believe?


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JennyMorgan    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 9:28 PM
  100 or so to feed, Richard has at least one volunteer so that'll be a doddle. Music, I'm just the go between! T'is party time! What do people want? We are all geared up and raring to go. Two, two and half hours music, starting at 19.00? You guys decide.  

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 9:43 PM
 
'Sounds' good to me!  Playful Wink


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JanetAnne    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 10:42 PM
  I guess most of you are heading for your boats tomorrow so can I just wish all you lucky chaps the time of your lives out there. Oh I wish I was coming along, its so exciting!

Next year I shall be first out of the pier heads...

In the mean time I have sent my humans to Gorleston Pier Sat morning to take some pictures and then they are going to be along Lake Lothing doing similar so they can show me it all happening.

Have fun and stay safe everyone.



If I am a "woody" how come there are no "fibreglassy's" "plasticy's" or "steelies"?


zacthedog    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 10:49 PM
  Griff-'sounds good to me' ddidn't know you could here into the future, but as a start time on the music,i agree also, what time does the drinkiing start ?

Gary
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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-9-2014 @ 10:57 PM
 
what time does the drinking start ?

When did it stop?  Confused


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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-10-2014 @ 6:48 AM
 

Ok, 'Information Post' - updated again - 'Coastguard'

--------------------

From midday / early afternoon today, we'll be on our way in MrsG's car - Norfolk bound, therefore I'll no longer have access to the internet and the NBF.  (Don't have a smart phone - not smart enough to operate one)

I'll only be able to keep my finger on the pulse via others I meet on the river etc. so if you PM me - it will be a while before I see it / reply if at all.


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mbird    -- Jul-10-2014 @ 9:18 AM
  Hi All

I have this morning confirmed all is ok for the Haven Bridge lift at 11:00 saturday morning for "Secret Lady" +21 others.

Once we arrive at Breydon bridge, all those that can pass under the bridge without a lift should do so to minimise the time the bridge needs to be open. If you are passing through when it is open, don't dawdle (that goes for Haven bridge too) as with so many boats to get through we want to be as quick as possible incase any emergency vehicles need to get over the bridge.

Since my vessel is effectively lead boat for this part of the trip, I will undertake all VHF communications for contacting the bridge, so please keep a listening watch on VHF12 for those with VHF. Messages will be relayed by PMR for those without.

Once into the harbour, there is a 7 knt speed limit. It takes about 20 mins to get to the entrance and we will need to call for permission to exit to sea once level with the lifeboat station. Again, whoever is lead boat at this time should call for the whole fleet.

Please keep a good eye out. The port is commercial and there is some big stuff down there that you want to keep clear of!

See you all saturday!!!

Cheers

Mark


JennyMorgan    -- Jul-10-2014 @ 10:48 AM
  Reality check time! There have been six and seven foot high waves coming through Lowestoft harbour mouth for most of the week with a near gale force wind blowing down the
North Sea. The wind is dropping but the sea will probably still be lumpy for a while yet. Indeed there might still be an unpleasant popple going out at Gorleston. Okay in a
Broom or a Drascombe, although probably not much fun in either! Okay, so it's only Thursday but it will need to be calm all day tomorrow to allow the sea to settle. Has
anyone thought to alert Lowestoft harbour authorities that a convoy of small boats intend to arrive at pretty much the same time? Well, actually I do know the answer to
that one  Wink

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/marine/shipping_forecast.html#All~Thames

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-10-2014 @ 11:09 AM
 
Yes I have, spoken to them personally.

Re the swell it has got from present to Saturday afternoon to sort itself out.  Final decision made Saturday forenoon

Tks,

Griff

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JennyMorgan    -- Jul-10-2014 @ 11:24 AM
  Fingers crossed! It's miserable here at the moment. Might pay to re-phone LT harbour control to make sure everyone there knows.

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-10-2014 @ 11:30 AM
 

It's in-hand JM


------------------

There have been six and seven foot high waves coming through Lowestoft harbour mouth for most of the week with a near gale force wind blowing down the North Sea

Is that all?  Scared

Been der don dat   -  And no intention of doing it again either - Well not onboard 'B.A' anyroadup


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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-10-2014 @ 11:31 AM
 
‘Plays the Bugle’  -  Last Post

(Before departing for Norfolk)

Skippers – Before Saturday - please have a last read through the ‘Information post’ familiarise yersen wi it and make your crews aware (Best practise – print it off relevant points and take it with you)

Any further questions / suggestions – you can get me on my mobile (07966 168647), PMR or VHF or in person on the rivers.

Safety is paramount for the weekend, the decision as to proceed via the salty stuff or go up river is yours alone and no one elses.

Thanks to all those who have offered support / advice or just your ‘Best Wishes’ for this forthcoming event.  It would not have got this far without you.  There have been times when to be honest I thought I had opened up a hornets nest and wished I hadn’t bothered.  Still we are through that malarkey now, so onwards and upwards.

Looking forward to meeting everyone old and new at OBYS Saturday afternoon.

Fingers still crossed for a favourable sea state with fair winds and huge sunny, clear Broads skies (Current forecast is swell 0f 0:4m from the north with a wind speed of 2kts – yes just 2kts, sunny at 25c – Looks like Neptune is going to smile on us - if it stays like that – we’ve cracked it)


Griff


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Cocklegat    -- Jul-10-2014 @ 2:16 PM
  Wave ht information for you guys


Cocklegat    -- Jul-10-2014 @ 2:18 PM
  and for 1800


mbird    -- Jul-10-2014 @ 2:25 PM
  Current prediction from MyWeather2.com is looking quite promising.It doesn't take any account of chop caused by the fact we'll have wind against tide, but with such light breezes that will be pretty negligable. It also looks as though when I take a peek down there early saturday morning that should be about the worst it will be as it's calming as time goes on.


Cheers

Mark


mbird    -- Jul-10-2014 @ 2:27 PM
  And for once Windguru seems to concur!


Cheers

Mark


zacthedog    -- Jul-10-2014 @ 10:18 PM
  well i am off to the boat tomorrow, so would like to wish all the sea going craft a happy and safe voyage, i will see some of you friday night, and all of you saturday for our get together.

Gary
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Mirage    -- Jul-11-2014 @ 8:22 AM
  IMPORTANT REQUEST

Due to a clerical mix up at OBYS, THEY have failed to request from us the dimensions of each craft that will be attending the CINC meet by both river and/or by sea.

OBYS now need the length and beam of each craft before we all arrive tomorrow!

If you are attending, please can you TEXT your boat's length and beam to GRIFF as soon as possible today on 07966 168647.

Apparently they particularly need this information for the boats arriving through Lake Lothing as they alone will be responsible for deciding the sequence of which boats will be called forward to enter Mutford Lock.

Griff is already afloat on BA, and TC will be sailing at 11.00 from Horning this morning & will both be on site at Berney Arms later today and will get this information from anyone there who has missed this post.

Will anyone reading this who is meeting at Stracey Arms tonight, please ask others there, who have not seen this post, to text Griff on the above number with the information requested.

Thanks everyone for your help!

Simon

Cheers

The Corsican


JennyMorgan    -- Jul-11-2014 @ 8:39 AM
  The weather forecast is looking good. Pants at the moment though!

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CaptBryan    -- Jul-11-2014 @ 9:34 AM
  Up here the wind is decreasing nicely. The bad news is we now have a drizzle sea fog.

Captain Howe.

The Eagle may soar majestic,
but you don't suck a Stoat
into your jet engines.
Please leave the water and
banks as you would wish to
find them.


Dibbler    -- Jul-11-2014 @ 9:41 AM
  Here's hoping that everyone has a safe and fabulous time over the weekend and that everything goes to plan. Calm seas, fair weather and faultless machinery to all. Cheers



John


Mirage    -- Jul-11-2014 @ 11:41 AM
  Thanks for the good wishes Smile

I'll be sure to pass them along to everyone!

Forecast is looking positive, although a bit of sun to burn off the mist would be nice  Cool Indifference

Looking forward to seeing everyone tomorrow
boat-power boat-power
Cheers
Simon

The Corsican


Mercator    -- Jul-11-2014 @ 12:34 PM
  Wishing all those taking part a safe, enjoyable and trouble free passage. Hope you all have a lovely weekend.

Steve.

Steve & Maggie.

Magellan (Westward 38)

Not quite an ancient mariner ..... though some say he was at sea before Pontius was a pilate !
Cheers

This message was edited by Mercator on Jul-11-14 @ 1:38 PM


Richard    -- Jul-11-2014 @ 1:42 PM
  Due to an incident at Oulton Broad Yacht Station it will be closed for mooring until Monday at the earliest.

The same applies for the locks.

I've had a chat with Griff and we're hoping to be able to do the event at Berney Arms.


Mercator    -- Jul-11-2014 @ 2:26 PM
  Hi folks - an important update from Richard ......

The event is now going to be held at Beccles Yacht Station and Sentinel are providing mooring free of charge.

Steve.

Steve & Maggie.

Magellan (Westward 38)

Not quite an ancient mariner ..... though some say he was at sea before Pontius was a pilate !


Mirage    -- Jul-11-2014 @ 2:37 PM
  The situation regarding the event remains " fluid" and all boats are requested to proceed to their planned destinations tonight. A final decision on the venue will be made after all tracts can be reviewed tomorrow morning. Likely venue on a plan b is Beccles on Saturday night.

Griff ( on Simon's iPad!!)
Cheers

The Corsican


JennyMorgan    -- Jul-11-2014 @ 2:57 PM
  Steve is quite right, it is now at Beccles. Got to say that I think that is a nicer and more suitable venue anyway.

This change of plan has been brought about by the tragic drowning at the Yacht Station. Arguably an over reaction but totally and completely understandable. To be honest, an amicable and sympathetic solution all round. My sympathies are with those who have lost their friend, equally my sympathies are also with those who have planned for this event and those who are looking forward to it, indeed are travelling at this moment in time. In my view an extremely large pat on the back to the management of the Yacht Stations for their sympathetic decision and support.

Drascombe Longboat 'Jenny Morgan'
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http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/


Bitterend    -- Jul-13-2014 @ 2:27 PM
  The lock has definately been in use today, there were hire boats in the yacht station this morning and the harbour master's door was open.  It was a tragic event with the death of the gentleman involved but was the closure really necessary.  It must have caused a fair amount of inconvenience to all the plans thar had been made for the weekend.

The Bitter End


londonrascal    -- Jul-13-2014 @ 4:00 PM
  While it was a great disappointment to many not to have been able to go to sea, on what was one of the most calm and summery days - the event at Beccles Yacht Station after a Cruise in Company was truly wonderful.

Richard - the the BBQ really went very smoothly and from those I saw was very much tucked into and enjoyed, the music was good too with a great mix of music and live performance and it was a pleasure to meet so many familiar faces and talk to others I had not met in person previously.

Thanks to Mark for the lift on Secret Lady and to Martin for the comfort of one of his Chairs and company and to Charlie's father for the lift back to my hotel.  It showed how social and friendly members of this forum are with their generosity and friendship.

Finally though thanks must go to Griff who effectively had offered an open invitation to people to come along with him and his crew for a day of boating fun and a short passage at sea.  I'm sorry things did not go as you planned, but nobody could have foreseen what happened in the end to put pay to the salty stuff.  You might feel down because that did not happen, but you gave a great deal of people a sense of 'being in it all together' and having a great time none the less. Well done  Smile

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Silver-Gem    -- Jul-13-2014 @ 4:18 PM
  Well despite the unfortunate cancelation of the C in C. Some still managed
to get a salty bottom.  MTB 102 and Humber still went out for an
interesting and fun day at sea.  Unfortunatly Humber had a few engine and
gearbox issues, but all returned safely.

Massive thanks to all involved.....

Pictures....
https://flic.kr/p/oj4Cc1

More photos ...  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54758027@N00/with/14644252902

Dean   - Boating on the Great Ouse.
Freeman 32 "Liberty"

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CaptBryan    -- Jul-14-2014 @ 6:14 AM
  Great photographs Dean. As an aside your two of the GT6 brought back some very happy memories. I also am a huge fan of The River Great Ouse it is really one of Anglia`s best secrets.

Captain Howe.

The Eagle may soar majestic,
but you don't suck a Stoat
into your jet engines.
Please leave the water and
banks as you would wish to
find them.


cheshireca    -- Jul-14-2014 @ 7:40 AM
  Indifferent

G Cochrane


Mike1    -- Jul-15-2014 @ 8:02 PM
  I spent Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning at Oulton broad as we were meeting family there who had caught the train to spend the evening with us and both the lock and bridge were in full operation.
Having to spend ten minutes waiting at the footbridge for boats to come through I was less than amused I can tell you.
I can well understand that holding a BBQ party in the Yacht station would have been out of the question considering but they could have let us through the lock to then travel on to Beccles.


Pauline&Phill    -- Jul-15-2014 @ 8:04 PM
  Yes that would have been good.

Best wishes,

Pauline

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zacthedog    -- Jul-15-2014 @ 10:51 PM
  i am sure the truth about the locks will come to light soon, and Griff will post the reason the company said it was shut. At the moment it looks like a cock up on one of the employees of thd company who run it. That said, a great day had by all, and beccles  was a great venue.

Gary
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Regulo    -- Jul-16-2014 @ 12:06 AM
  Not quite the day we expected, but it all came good in the end. Lovely weather, and a relaxed and friendly evening. I gather there were a few sore heads on Sunday! We were sitting behind Richard's barbecue, and we saw the sheer hard work involved, on a steamy afternoon. A lovely feast, and gratefully received all round. Thanks to Richard and his able assistants. Thanks to Rebecca for the music, too. And thanks, Griff, for all your efforts in arranging the salty side of things. That it didn't happen was just bad luck, which couldn't have been foreseen in anyone's wildest imagination. All in all, a good day.

Regards, Ray.

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Strowager    -- Jul-16-2014 @ 5:44 AM
  quote:" and both the lock and bridge were in full operation. "


Yes, I was very surprised to see the lock in full swing just after lunchtime on Saturday. Three sailing cruisers locked through to Lake Lothing in the few minutes that I was watching the webcam.

Bad luck indeed, the mild weather window for just those few hours was perfect, with a much more lumpy sea just before and after.


JennyMorgan    -- Jul-16-2014 @ 8:25 AM
  Some boats were allowed to use the Lock whilst others were not. Am looking forward to Griff's report!

Yes, it was great week-end, Beccles came up trumps, wonderful venue for a meet.

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Maurice_Mynah    -- Jul-16-2014 @ 8:29 AM
  Some boats were allowed to use the Lock whilst others were not.

More information on THAT would be interesting!

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I sink therefore I was.  Maurice Mynah.


Richard    -- Jul-16-2014 @ 7:10 PM
  i think the whole thing went rather well.as griff and i were burning up are phone time to find an alternate location the staff at obys managed to sort out the beccles venue which was much better.

As the information about the drowning, and the number of bodies that could have been involved the council made a very wise decision to close the lock, rather than a bunch of boats turn up in lake loating and be stuck there.

As it was one one boat had not heard about the change of plan, so a member of staff had to be taken from beccles to help with the lock thru, in the morning they were lucky to have a ba ranger to help.

So i think praise should be given. It's a shame that the salt side trip had to be cancelled, but i cant see that a trip like that is more important than a death.

And we all had a good cruise and party, wasn't that what it was all about??


finny    -- Jul-16-2014 @ 9:34 PM
  Early on in this thread there was talk with regards making this forum
look bad should a bad situation arise - well it did but not towards the
forum and those taking part . I don't know the full story yet but well
done to those taking part who changed there plans out of Respect

More of a credit to the forum me thinks


Finny



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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-16-2014 @ 11:17 PM
 
Back Home now,

Not seen any post till now and I'm away early in the morning for work.

Well what happened with the lock? - As soon the upper echelons at Sentinal Leisure and myself have finished with our discussions and I have permission from Sentinal - all will become clear.  Can't say too much at present as I don't want to embarrass anyone.

The change of venue went very smoothly, Richard and moi discussed this on the Friday afternoon and Saturday forenoon as and when we could - considering the situation was with no notice - I think all parties did very well at the short notice we had.

And we need to remember in amongst all this a life was sadly lost.


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JennyMorgan    -- Jul-17-2014 @ 5:44 PM
  Sentinel's response will be interesting. From this end of the Broad it does seem that the harbour master has taken it on himself to decide who may and who may not use the Lock. The fact is that other boats were able to use the Lock.

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-17-2014 @ 6:26 PM
 
Again I can't jump the gun here but hope to have news very shortly.  I have already had the business development manager and the assistant chief executive offering their full and unreserved apologies via the phone. More to follow.  The wheels whilst not spinning are turning.


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Mercator    -- Jul-17-2014 @ 6:36 PM
  A big big thank you to Sentinel Leisure for going above and beyond to help Richard and The Forum . At such a tragic time The Sentinel Team did a sterling job of Holding the 'Respect for the deceased'  dealing with the official matters over the tragic incident and then offering and helping The Forum relocate so the event could happen at a more appropriate venue .  
Ladies and Gentlemen of Sentinel :            You are true professionals.  Thank you
Maggie and Steve.

Edited for typos.

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Bitterend    -- Jul-17-2014 @ 6:57 PM
  Having read that Sentinel did go out of thier way to help relocate plans for the weekend I think that is highly commendable.

However, i do wonder why the decision to close OB was taken.  It does go without saying that it was a terrible, tragic and unfortunate accident but waving the mooring revenue for the period closed and interfering with the weekends plans for what must be a lot of folk and ruining the sea trip, running the lock when it had been advertised as closed.  I think it was all a bit OTT to be honest!  

Had investigation been ongoing and the yacht station remaining cordened off for the weekend then fair enough but it all seemed clear by friday evening so I dont really understand the motive.  Someone must have thought they were doing the right thing but Im not sure I agree.

The Bitter End


Pauline&Phill    -- Jul-17-2014 @ 6:58 PM
  Sounds like they did indeed do a wonderful relocation from the yacht
station at very short notice, all credit to them, and yes,  a mark of
respect to be fully supported; as Griff and others have said.

The opening of the lock after closing is a separate issue and Griff is
dealing with it separately as far as I can tell. Certainly not a good
idea to have a 'trial by forum' on it!

Best wishes,

Pauline

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JennyMorgan    -- Jul-17-2014 @ 7:49 PM
  As I have said elsewhere the welcome and help received at Beccles was second to none. All praise to the good folk at Beccles.

I agree that this should not be a trial by forum but questions are begging to be asked and that is just what Griff is doing.

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ncsl    -- Jul-17-2014 @ 8:43 PM
  Just doing the video of the meet at Beccles. Theres a picture to be getting on with.



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ncsl    -- Jul-18-2014 @ 8:25 AM
  The video of C in C arriving at Beccles is now on the system.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Ilb2ur3EQ


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Dibbler    -- Jul-18-2014 @ 8:37 AM
  Great footage again, Paul. Cheers

John


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-18-2014 @ 5:21 PM
 
This has NOTHING to do with shifting venues from OBYS to Beccles - that went very smoothly due to all parties pulling together and getting it sorted at very short unplanned notice.  I am grateful to Sentinel for pulling out the stops and also giving us free berths (They didn't need to do that really).  It seemed all of us Skippers and crew were quite happy to move venues given the circumstances unfolding on the Friday at OBYS and none of us, certainly not I have any complaints there.

Where it started to unfold was the option of Mutford Lock being denied to us from first thing Saturday morning.  I'm sure by now all the skippers/crews there on the day are aware of our grievances and raised some valid points, I have discussed these at length with those at Sentinel, and would hope there is no need to publish those bullet points or the replies on here.

After quite a few phone calls with the staff at Sentinel (And no doubt more to come) I can shed a bit of light on the subject as to why the option of Mutford Lock was denied us.  Basically for various reasons that I won't go into on here they were understaffed to cope with our numbers, plus internal communications broke down prior to the event.  As thing unfolded procedures were not followed correctly, some thing were said that should not have been and some things could have been done a whole lot better

They are aware of this.  I have accepted their apology in full and in the spirit it is intended.  I hope you other skippers and crew can do the same and we can move on.  If you have any further specific questions, please do not hesitate to E-mail me.  One other point Suffolk County Council did NOT instruct the lock to be closed - it's not their remit.  The lock was NEVER closed on Saturday at all. (This from the ops manager)

Herewith as received from Sentinel:-

------------------------------------


Dear Mr Griffin

RE:  Oulton Broad Yacht Station

We would like to formally apologise to you and your party members for the fact that Sentinel have not delivered the services to the standard that we should be delivering to you and your party. As mentioned yesterday we would like to continue working with you in the future and Chris and I would be happy to meet/discuss next year’s event at the appropriate time to guarantee its success.  

I will be conducting a full investigation into this matter and will take the appropriate course of action.  


Rob Johnson
Head of Operations

----------------------------------------


Now can we get back to photo's and the like being posted up, surely someone has a few from the MTB102 and Humber sea trip?  -  From what I hear the sea conditions were ideal and paddle boarders could have made the journey on the day, let alone our motley flotilla of river boats and dedicated sea craft.


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Regulo    -- Jul-18-2014 @ 6:34 PM
  Thanks for posting the update, Griff. Apology from Sentinel accepted, as far as I'm concerned. Mistakes and confusion happen in life. And given the tragic circumstances, entirely understandable. As my old mum said, "If you make a mistake, own up, pay up, and shut up".

Regards, Ray.

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Tricxy    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 7:39 AM
  Thanks to all who made this event happen, from the venue, the music, the food (so much food) and the hoards of happy people up for a chat.  I hope there isn’t a parallel thread about noisy partygoers at Beccles yacht station!

“Now can we get back to photo's and the like being posted up, surely someone has a few from the MTB102 and Humber sea trip?  -  From what I hear the sea conditions were ideal and paddle boarders could have made the journey on the day, let alone our motley flotilla of river boats and dedicated sea craft.! “

I was staying quiet at the risk of making you jealous Griff, but since you ask…

It was a frantic start to Saturday morning; we had berthed at Beccles after hearing about the events of Friday, the closure of the lock, and being unsure whether the MTB/Humber trip was going ahead or not.  At 9:00am I contacted Newsomes, who confirmed that they were continuing as planned and would be departing at 10:45 sharp.  There followed a rush around to pick up some essentials and organise a taxi and before we knew it we were stood aboard MTB102 chatting to fellow passengers in the morning sun.

After a quick briefing from Richard Bassey, we hopped over to Humber and set out into Lowestoft harbour and began the slow amble down towards the bridge following on behind MTB102.  By now, the sun was very hot, and we were regretting out lack of sun-cream – presumably we would be fully toasted by 3:00 when we were to return, but so be it.

Once out at sea, it was a bit cooler, and, once past the chop directly outside the harbour entrance the sea became very calm, ideal for a few photo opportunities with the boats accelerating past each other a few times before settling into the cruise towards Great Yarmouth.  Unfortunately, we quickly entered a sea mist, meaning for most of the cruise there was a hazy view of the coast, the other boat, and not a lot else, but it was all fun boating none-the-less, and a bit of time to chat and have a look around Humber.

Once we arrived off Great Yarmouth there was time for a bit of playing, testing the turning circles of each craft, generally having a go on the helm before we came to a stop to let MTB102 raft up alongside.  We swapped over to the MTB before casting off and continuing our games for a short while and generally starting to head southbound.

Humber had started to drop back from us, and before long we had a radio call to say that there was a lot of smoke in the engine room.  The plan would be to make for Lowestoft on one engine, which seemed fine for a short while.  It wasn’t long until progress stopped again, and we had  a call to say Humber had lost drive from the other engine.  There then followed some diagnosis and a decision to limp back to Lowestoft under low power from the smoking engine which seemed to be able to manage this.

There followed a relatively uneventful trip back to Lowestoft at speeds a river-boat would have been more than comfortable with.  After some drama with Humber circling the harbour unable to disengage forward gear, the bridge opened and we proceeded towards the yard, as we arrived, Humber was just making a good effort of berthing under no power Richard slipped MTB102 onto her berth.

After more chat, we got a lift back to Beccles (thanks Dean) and had a well needed coffee before starting on the evening’s fun.

All in a fantastic and memorable trip out – many thanks to Richard and the crews of MTB102 and Humber, and I hope you have resolved the issues with Humber.

Not that many photos as once you have one picture of a grey boat in a grey sea on a grey misty day…

MTB102 leaving the yard

This message was edited by Tricxy on Jul-20-14 @ 8:41 AM


Tricxy    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 7:42 AM
  In the harbour


Tricxy    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 7:43 AM
  In the sunshine off Lowestoft


Tricxy    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 7:44 AM
  No smoke, no poke


Tricxy    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 7:45 AM
  She only does around 25 knts now, she must have looked amazing when she could do 50!


Tricxy    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 7:47 AM
  It's a pity the soundtrack is missing - that is also fantastic!


Tricxy    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 7:48 AM
  Playing off Great Yarmouth


Tricxy    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 7:49 AM
  No torpedos today


Tricxy    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 7:50 AM
  And not to forget Humber


springsong    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 7:58 AM
  Hi Tricxy great photos thank you, but, always a but, do you have any more of Humber I have yet to see her in the flesh. She fascinates me.

Barry

" A well balanced man has a
drink in each hand "   Billy
Connolly


Tricxy    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 8:27 AM
  A few Barry, but the mist had come down by then.


Tricxy    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 8:28 AM
  Under power


Tricxy    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 8:30 AM
  And the last one


SOS247    -- Jul-20-2014 @ 4:35 PM
  It was a very enjoyable weekend, thank you Griff.  

Plenty of money was raised for the charity & the MTB102 etc. I don't know the total yet but both  Richard & his good lady said that everyone was extremely  generous and most gave £5 for charity instead of the agreed £2.50. Im sure when Richard has had a count up the total will be known soon.

I found myself adjusting the timing & sorting out a diesel leak on Humber before it went to sea, however due to corroded gearbox oil coolers it unfortunately suffered  problems. Luckily it made a safe return!.

It was a great shame the boats didn't go to sea especially when the lock was in full operation, it was even in use on the Friday PM!. We stayed in the Wherry Hotel and I was surprised to hear a wedding going ahead until the early hours, plus the Lady of the Lake was also in full swing. When we arrived on Friday afternoon I was expecting to see OB cordoned off as a crime scene but no police could be seen!  Several of our customers used the lock on Saturday.

Very sad to hear about the tragic loss of life, and our thoughts go out to the guys family.

Hopefully next year event goes to plan, and great to hear Sentinel may be involved.

Thank you everybody!

PS - plus thank you to everyone who helped me put Sonia to bed!!! Having a alcoholic for the first time in 3 years made her sleep well!!!



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springsong    -- Jul-21-2014 @ 6:55 AM
  Thank you Tricxy. Do you happen to know who built her?
I have a suspicion she maybe a Graham Bunn (Windboat) He did build for the war effort at the Wroxham yard.

Barry

" A well balanced man has a
drink in each hand "   Billy
Connolly


londonrascal    -- Jul-21-2014 @ 8:58 AM
  As many of you will be aware on the day, I was atop of Secret Lady filming a lot of the actual Cruise in Company down the Waveney - unfortunately reviewing the footage, a tiny amount of condensation was inside the waterproof housing on one camera, as the heat of the sun came out this evaporated and caused the lens to completely mist over, another camera's battery lasted a dismal amount of time but the trusty 'Blog Camera' soldiered on...

So taking a break from edited the latest Captain's Blog the C in C video should be uploaded early this evening - I'm sorry there is not as much river/boat action as I had hoped but it gives a really good flavour and also shows the build up the day before from my perspective Smile

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londonrascal    -- Jul-21-2014 @ 8:08 PM
  So, it is here - a Captain's Blog Special taking in the build up to the Cruise in Company from m y point of view.  Originally I was going to 'bolt this on' to the last video of the latest Blogs I have been editing, but I thought better do it sooner rather than later.

Your see how things went from being all set for a sea trip, to then becoming a river based cruise - how technology and team work can come together on the streets of Lowestoft and just what a great helmsman Mark is on Secret Lady Smile

Sorry a bunch of good footage was unusable because my camera enclosure misted up with condensation, that a battery died in my other action camera and sorry you need to watch it on a Computer and not your phone or a tablet oh and sorry if you can't stand the music - but this is not the BBC so you can't complain to Auntie lol.

It was a really enjoyable event though, with a real sense of community and good times shared.  


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ADI    -- Jul-21-2014 @ 9:43 PM
  What a legend, a premier in room review, brilliant  LOL

Regards

Adrian, Michelle, Beck and Braydon,
the crew of FERZAN.


Richard    -- Jul-21-2014 @ 9:59 PM
  to keep things consistant lets close this thread as the sea going trip didn't happen.

Comments on the nbf cinc can be placed there


riyadhcrew    -- Jul-21-2014 @ 10:00 PM
  Robin,
Just watched the C-in-C blog. Great pity that the day couldn't go ahead as planned, but a fantastic recovery by all concerned. Well done!!!

best regards,
Eric


BroadAmbition    -- Dec-9-2014 @ 12:14 AM
 



Update -  (This post is aimed at the skippers / crews of those that assembled for the salty bottom cruise on 12th July this year)



Since the failed sea trip I have been in communications with Sentinel Leisure Trust on trying to get honest detailed answers on what went wrong and why.



I have promised SLT that I would not broadcast their findings on any forum (Not that they requested me not too).



Sadly or to put it better - very frustratingly, both myself and SLT have now exhausted any further progress in this matter and any further communications between myself and SLT is pointless



SLT did issue a full and frank written apology which I passed onto the salty skippers as soon as I had received it.  I put together a dossier with witness statements for SLT to look into with a promise from them that they would do an internal inquiry and get back to me with their findings - this has not happened and if SLT get their way - won't do so either.



So I have ramped it up a notch and am now dealing with another authority on the matter, this is presently ongoing.



The only 'new' bit of news I can offer is that I now have it in writing that Mutford Lock was indeed re-opened Saturday morning to all craft EXCEPT our salty bottoms flotilla - this of course is not real news as we knew that ourselves from the Saturday lunchtime onwards - but at least I now have written confirmation of this. I'm happy to go public with that one as it did not come from SLT so I'm not breaking a promise



Skippers / Crew - I'm still on the case and won't let it drop until I get real, honest and frank answers to the points I have raised, I'm doing my best but as seems to be the norm wheels of large authorities turn frustratingly slowly.  If you require more in depth details then please send me your name, boat name and e-mail address to my e-mail:- griff15@btinternet.com

Mods - seeing as my e-mail address is out there in many public places I'm happy for it to to be available for all if you are - Tks





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Paladine    -- Dec-9-2014 @ 2:04 PM
 
I haven't previously posted on this thread, as I was not involved with the intended C-I-C, but now it has been revived, I'm rather curious.

After the July difficulties, this was posted about Sentinel: "I have accepted their apology in full and in the spirit it is intended.  I hope you other skippers and crew can do the same and we can move on."

Obviously, the moving on hasn't happened. As I understand it, Mutford Lock is run by a private limited company. So, unless they are somehow in breach of contract or have offended against some maritime law (both of which are actionable), and having totally apologised, it is unclear to me what is now expected of them. They are hardly likely to volunteer information which could be used against them in litigation.

At least, this thread is open to public view.

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TerryTibbs    -- Dec-9-2014 @ 3:27 PM
  Smile

if it is to be it is up to me!


Amarsaday    -- Dec-9-2014 @ 4:12 PM
  How about a rerun in 2015 ?


londonrascal    -- Dec-9-2014 @ 4:58 PM
  Paladine:

You quoted from the letter that Rob Johnson Head of Operations at Sentinel sent to Griff and that Griff had posted on this thread at page 26.  I will now quote from the same letter but from the lat paragraph thereof:

“I will be conducting a full investigation into this matter and will take the appropriate course of action.”

As per Griff’s post above he states:

“... I put together a dossier with witness statements for SLT to look into with a promise from them that they would do an internal inquiry and get back to me with their findings - this has not happened and if SLT get their way - won't do so either.”

So you see whilst an apology was given, and accepted - Sentinel have not carried out any investigation into the matter and neither has any action been taken which is precisely what Mr Johnson had said would happen.  

As a result, there remain a lot of points that need to be gotten to the bottom of and it is for these reasons I think Griff is having to take matters further with another authority to perhaps exert some pressure upon Sentinel to investigate or indeed for the other authority to investigate themselves.  

It may not be following a prescribed manner, but sometimes one has to do all they can at times of frustration and 'ruffle feathers' to get to the bottom of matters.  

Either way, somebody needs to do investigate matters and then to respond to Griff with their findings.

Until that has happens, or there is further updates from Griff, perhaps it is best everyone sits back now and waits to see what transpires.

This message was edited by londonrascal on Dec-9-14 @ 5:01 PM


Paladine    -- Dec-9-2014 @ 5:35 PM
 
londonrascal, I don't see how you can say "...Sentinel have not carried out any investigation into the matter and neither has any action been taken which is precisely what Mr Johnson had said would happen." All you, or any of us, know at this stage is that, if an enquiry has taken place and action taken, that information has not been passed on.

We are not talking about a public authority here, with established complaints procedures and an external regulatory body who can hold them to task. It's a private limited company. I don't have sufficient information to comment about the events leading to the updating post, but I am still wondering what grounds there are to demand any detailed explanation of their internal operations.

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Graeme    -- Dec-9-2014 @ 9:00 PM
  If am correct SLT is not a private company it`s a charity trust which is part of wavenery district council   dunce


BroadAmbition    -- Dec-9-2014 @ 9:17 PM
 

No one demanded that SLT carry out any sort of investigation let alone an internal one.

It was indeed SLT that volunteered direct to me that this would happen and that they would get to the bottom of the matter and let me know their findings

I spent a lot of time putting together a dossier, witness statements, and 12 main questions (Now 13) that I wanted answers to.  I was assured (In writing) that this would happen.

They have now reneged on this promise

My personal opinion is that they did indeed carry out and internal inquiry and did not like what they discovered and now find it too embarrassing to forward it on so I and the skippers / crews can be informed


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Paladine    -- Dec-9-2014 @ 10:17 PM
 
Graeme, Sentinel Leisure Trust is, indeed, a charity which operates services on behalf of Waveney District Council, but Mutford Lock is operated by Sentinel Enterprises Limited, which is a trading subsidiary of the Trust.

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Paladine    -- Dec-9-2014 @ 10:38 PM
 
BroadAmbition, I wish you luck with your campaign. It appears, though, that SEL would be answerable to the trustees of the parent charity (SLT), rather than Waveney District Council or the Broads Authority, neither of whom appears to have any direct connection with, or authority over, SEL. I would be very surprised if WDC or the BA would wish to become involved in this.



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BroadAmbition    -- Dec-10-2014 @ 12:51 AM
  Really Paladine?

Just for the record Mutford Lock ultimately comes under the control of the Broads Authority:

http://www.broads-au...ision-Order.pdf

Sentinel operate the Lock on behalf of the Authority thus this unfortunate affair does concern the Broads Authority. On the day, as far as they were concerned the Lock was fully operational.

I suppose this means you are very surprised now?

As for me being on a campaign, thanks for your support but - I just want honest and straight answers


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Paladine    -- Dec-10-2014 @ 8:53 AM
 
BroadAmbition, unfortunately the link you provided doesn't work for me. Links have a habit of either not working or becoming obsolete, so I prefer to post the actual document, if possible.

The latest document I have found regarding the BA and Mutford Lock relates to the proposal to make a Harbour Revision Order transferring the lock to the BA, which, according to the attached report, as of May 2014, had not yet been submitted to the Marine Management Organisation.

Am I correct in thinking you have a copy of the completed Order?

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Boatboy    -- Dec-10-2014 @ 11:46 AM
  Surely the ultimate responsibility for the operation of an outsourced asset or public service remains with the outsourcing authority, at least that is what we were led to believe by the Local Government Ombudsman when we had cause to raise a complaint against a private company operating waste collection services. The local council told us to complain to the operator, numerous complaints led to no improvement so we got the ombudsman involved. They made it very clear that the authority were wholly responsible.

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TerryTibbs    -- Dec-10-2014 @ 1:06 PM
  Not saying your wrong BB but waste has specific legislation which defines the legal responsibility of certain organisations, so what applies to waste may not necesarily apply to other areas of life.

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londonrascal    -- Dec-10-2014 @ 2:36 PM
  Herewith the document Griff tried to link to - see attachment.


Paladine    -- Dec-10-2014 @ 2:42 PM
 
Boatboy, I don't disgree with you. The important thing is to establish who that authority might be.

As of May this year, the Harbour Revision Order, which would transfer responsibility to the BA, had not been sent to the Marine Management Organisation to be signed off. I have found no mention of it after that date in any BA minutes, so it doesn't appear to be the BA's responsibility.

Sentinel Enterprises Ltd, who operate the lock, is a trading arm of Sentinel Leisure Trust, which is a charity. So perhaps any complaint should be addressed to the Charity Commissioners.

But, as I understand it, the Trust was set up by, or on behalf of, Waveney District Council, so WDC might have the ultimate responsibility and a complaint to them and, if necessary, the Local Government Ombudsman, might be the way to go.

I have spent very little time researching this and have no access to correspondence, so I might have missed something important, but clearly much research needs to be done (or should have been done) to establish exactly who is responsible and what, if any, steps can be made through complaints procedures.


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Paladine    -- Dec-10-2014 @ 2:45 PM
 
Thank you, londonrascal. That document is a report to the Navigation Committee in 2010, proposing the Harbour Revision Order. As you will see from the document I posted earlier today, that Order had still not been finalised and sent to the MMO in May this year.

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Limbury1    -- Dec-10-2014 @ 5:18 PM
  Griff,
As I have only recently joined I am not aufait with what previously happened but would like to know if you are likely to run another CIC.ifso I like many would be extremely interested in a future cruise.
ATB. Rob.qq

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TerryTibbs    -- Dec-11-2014 @ 3:17 PM
  "It was indeed SLT that volunteered direct to me that this would happen and that they would get to the bottom of the matter and let me know their findings"
Griff from the letter it appears Sentinel promised a full investigation but I can see nowhere where they promise to get back to you with their findings.
"Dear Mr Griffin

RE:  Oulton Broad Yacht Station

We would like to formally apologise to you and your party members for the fact that Sentinel have not delivered the services to the standard that we should be delivering to you and your party. As mentioned yesterday we would like to continue working with you in the future and Chris and I would be happy to meet/discuss next year’s event at the appropriate time to guarantee its success.  

I will be conducting a full investigation into this matter and will take the appropriate course of action.  


Rob Johnson
Head of Operations

It mearly says he will take the appropriate course of action.

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JBx5    -- Dec-11-2014 @ 4:21 PM
  (This post is aimed at the skippers / crews of those that assembled for the salty bottom cruise on 12th July this year)

Regards John




Paladine    -- Dec-11-2014 @ 5:06 PM
 
JBx5, the person who posted that comment has, since making it, entered into discussion with me in this thread, so it was quite unnecessary for you to post it again. At least, what is being said on this forum is open to the public to read. Are you suggesting censorship be introduced on here?

Back in July, Pauline&Phill wrote in this thread, "The opening of the lock after closing is a separate issue and Griff is dealing with it separately as far as I can tell. Certainly not a good idea to have a 'trial by forum' on it!"

I fully support that view and the current discussion is more about thoughts on the true chain of command regarding the lock, rather than the specifics of what happened last July. For starters, the Broads Authority does not own Mutford Lock and the lock does not form part of the navigation area, as defined in Section 8 of the Norfolk & Suffolk Broads Act 1988. From here on, it gets more complicated, but I won't bog this thread down with my findings to date.

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Richard    -- Dec-12-2014 @ 12:40 AM
  I think it might be time to put some perspective on this matter as this is a long thread, and there are some confusing posts.

As I was involved with a lot of what went on I do have a good background on what went on.

The plan was to have a good party at Oulton Broad Yacht Station {OBYS). The majority arriving by car or boat via the Broads system.

Some people wanted to come down to the party via the sea route from Great Yarmouth to Lowestoft. There is a lot of logistics involved there making sure all the boats would be safe and that all bridge openings and lock throughs could be accomplished.

This was all done and was in hand, the yacht station was all ready for the event, and the organisers had a plan in place for the Saturday event.

Now on the day before, the Friday, an unfortunate event occurred. A holidaymaker, on a moored boat at OBYS had gone missing, and it was believed that he may have fallen into the Broad.

The area was closed off by the Authorities.

All of the emergency services spent the day trying to find out what had happened and find the missing individual, at that time the area was closed off while the authorities did their job.

Sadly in the mid afternoon a body was recovered. There was also a possibility that there might be another person missing.

Knowing what was going on all of the organisers liased with OBYS and a group decision was made to move the party to Beccles Yacht Station.

As there was a good possibility that the area might need to remain closed while a further search was made the seagoing folks were advised that it might be better to take the Broads route rather than the sea route, as they would be stuck in Lake Loathing and would not be able to get to the event.

This was agreed by seagoing organisers who would then contact all of the sea going group.

As a large booking and party had been arranged at OBYS there was a problem of a venue change. Sentinal offered Beccles Yacht Station AT NO CHARGE so that the party could continue. The organisers of the sea trip were fully informed of this, and were in agreement.

Thankfully it turned out that there was not another missing person, and OBYS was re-opened.

Due to the number of boats going to Beccles, staff had to be moved around, and additional staff called in to man the locks at Oulton Broad, when other boats needed to lock through.

Sentinal and the BA have done an investigation after a request made by Griff and to my knowledge they believe that the correct decisions were made with the information that was available in a very fluid situation.

So what it really comes down to is this.

What's more important; a fun sea trip and a party, or investigating the tragic loss of someone's life.

I'll leave it to you, the reader, to decide. I know how I feel.


Hylander    -- Dec-12-2014 @ 7:51 AM
  Definitely the latter.      No one can imagine or even want to come near to imagining the shock of the loss of a loved one, in these circumstances whilst on holiday on the Broads.

The 'event' still took place at Beccles YS.    A trip to sea can happen in the future, something that that poor chap who died will not have the luxury of, bless him.

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CaptBryan    -- Dec-12-2014 @ 9:44 AM
  Perhaps allowance should be made for the effect on the staff involved and their thought process as well.
Having had to deal with the loss of a passenger on two occasions I know how it effected the cabin crew despite all the training for these events.

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TerryTibbs    -- Dec-12-2014 @ 9:56 AM
  Well said Richard and CaptB.

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Paladine    -- Dec-12-2014 @ 10:22 AM
 
”Sentinal and the BA have done an investigation after a request made by Griff and to my knowledge they believe that the correct decisions were made with the information that was available in a very fluid situation.

So what it really comes down to is this.

What's more important; a fun sea trip and a party, or investigating the tragic loss of someone's life.”


I am not unsympathetic and I agree with Hylander’s succinct response, but I don’t think it is as simple as ‘which is the more important’. Of course, there is no contest.

However, in the aftermath, I don’t think it is unreasonable for someone who has spent a great deal of time and effort on organisation to want answers to questions. I don’t know what those questions are, nor do I know what (if any) answers were given, but I can understand that a blanket ‘We did the right thing at the time’ might well be seen as unsatisfactory and, possibly, something of a cover-up.

I don’t subscribe to any conspiracy theory, but, if actions were taken in good faith, even if, with 20/20 hindsight, things could have been done differently or better, isn’t it good to have it out in the open? Regardless of any request, I would fully expect, after an incident of this nature, an examination of all issues to take place to establish whether procedures were sufficient and effective, or whether improvements could/should be made.


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TerryTibbs    -- Dec-12-2014 @ 10:52 AM
  " would fully expect, after an incident of this nature, an examination of all issues to take place to establish whether procedures were sufficient and effective, or whether improvements could/should be made"
Richard says that he believes an investigation has taken place, as you have previously stated this is not a public body so there is no compunction to reveal the details of that other than maybe out of courtesy but where do they draw the line, who do they reveal their findings to. It is an internal matter and will in all probability remain so as these things generally do.

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Paladine    -- Dec-12-2014 @ 12:26 PM
 
TT, I haven't suggested there is any compulsion to give answers, but a refusal to answer simple(?) questions may be seen as a bit suspect. I've had cause to make complaints to private companies over the years and have usually had reasonable responses.

Unfortunately, in this day and age, a complaint can often be regarded as a precursor to litigation, so a degree of circumspection is, perhaps, understandable.

Which takes me full circle to the question of who, precisely, is responsible? Mutford Lock is owned by ABP Ltd, which itself is owned by a consortium.

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TerryTibbs    -- Dec-12-2014 @ 2:01 PM
  "simple(?) questions" that's the whole point Pally, neither you nor I know the questions posed, personally I can't think of 12 question oops now 13 that are simple. To my mind there is only 1 relevant question and that is "was the flotiilla specifically precluded from using the lock for any reason other than the circumstances surrounding the tradegy".

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Paladine    -- Dec-12-2014 @ 2:18 PM
 
TT, it just goes to show how difficult it can be to formulate a simple question.

The answer to your question might be 'Yes'. Would you be any the wiser?   Evil Grin

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TerryTibbs    -- Dec-12-2014 @ 3:08 PM
  "
TT, it just goes to show how difficult it can be to formulate a simple question.

The answer to your question might be 'Yes'. Would you be any the wiser?  "
Yes and at that point I might be demanding answers to other questions but it would answer the mystery of any conspiracy which is what seems to be the suggestion elsewhere.

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Paladine    -- Dec-12-2014 @ 3:59 PM
 
...and at this point, I thought about asking (as in what would your Fantasy Football team be), what would your fantasy questions be...but then I thought better of it   Tinhat

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Hylander    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 7:45 AM
  what would your fantasy questions be

Now that has to be worth starting a fresh post with.


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JennyMorgan    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 10:21 AM
  Richard, I trust that you are well, don't see much of you these days, regretful.

Thank you for your entirely plausible explanation, I'm almost convinced! However, you have forgotten to mention one hugely relevant fact, that the Lock was open to all other than to Griff's flotilla. For example the Pegasus Owners Group passed through entirely without problem.

It is also a fact that one of the Yacht Station staff made some pretty damning, venomous comments about both Griff & the C-in-C itself.

It is also a fact that the Broads Authority has taken on responsibility for the overall management of the Lock, with agreement from ABP.

It is also a fact that several forum members were totally opposed to the C-in-C in connection with the Forum.

It is also a fact that several posts have been removed from this thread.

In all this is a wholly grubby and regretful affair. It needs to be put to rest, but glossing over the facts is not the way to end it.

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Paladine    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 12:18 PM
 
”Thank you for your entirely plausible explanation, I'm almost convinced! However, you have forgotten to mention one hugely relevant fact, that the Lock was open to all other than to Griff's flotilla. For example the Pegasus Owners Group passed through entirely without problem.

It is also a fact that one of the Yacht Station staff made some pretty damning, venomous comments about both Griff & the C-in-C itself.

It is also a fact that the Broads Authority has taken on responsibility for the overall management of the Lock, with agreement from ABP.

It is also a fact that several forum members were totally opposed to the C-in-C in connection with the Forum.

It is also a fact that several posts have been removed from this thread.

In all this is a wholly grubby and regretful affair. It needs to be put to rest, but glossing over the facts is not the way to end it.”


TBH, I didn’t read Richard’s post as an attempt to lay out all the facts, nor to put it to rest. It gives a very potted version of a series of events, many of which are contained in this very long and rather convoluted thread.

JM, far from clearing the air, your post simply raises even more questions. I don’t expect any answers, in fact, I don’t want any answers. I’m just demonstrating that saying that something is a fact doesn’t make it one and not all facts, even if established as such, are relevant to the enquiry.

These are purely rhetorical questions. Call them my ’12 Fantasy Questions’ if you like. And these are before trying to get the nitty-gritty of who made what decision and why.

Q.1. How many boats were in the Pegasus Owners Group?

Q.2. How many times did the group transit the lock on that day?

Q.3. In which direction(s) did they transit the lock?

Q.4. What were the time(s) of each transit?

Q.5. Did you hear the ‘pretty damning, venomous comments’ yourself, or is this hearsay?

Q.6. What were the comments?

Q.7. By whom were they made (e.g. by a ‘low-level ‘operative? Middle-management? Harbour Master?)

Q.8. What is the nature of the agreement between the BA and ABP? Ownership still remains with ABP. Is it for the maintenance of the lock? Responsibility for the day-to-day operation of the lock and enabling transits?

Q.9. If the BA has responsibility for the day-to-day operation, what is the nature of the agreement between Suffolk County Council, Waveney District Council (as their agents), Sentinel Leisure Trust, (who operate leisure facilities, including the lock, on behalf of WDC), and Sentinel Enterprises Limited, a trading arm of SLT, (who staff the lock)?

Q.10. What relevance do the opinions of members of a discussion forum have to any decision to operate the lock or not? In the OP it was stated ” One important point - although this salty C-in-C is primarily aimed at members of the NBF - It is NOT an NBF C-in-C as obviously we will be outside of the Norfolk Broads area.  Therefore the NBF will not be responsible for any boats/crews in any shape/form whatsoever.”

Q.11.What is the relevance of posts being removed from the thread? Posts are removed for a number of reasons. Breach of the ToS and irrelevance being just two. Unless the content of removed posts can be established, their removal is not indicative of any connection with the failed lock transit.

Q.12. In the light of the written apology and the report that both the BA and Sentinel consider the correct decision was taken on the day, given the available information, define ‘wholly grubby’.

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Steve51    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 1:14 PM
  I have just one question. Why on earth is this being aired on this forum?

Griff, Jenny Morgan and a group of others effectively left this forum following a disagreement and found a new home on the "other one". Why not air it there or communicate any news/developments by email or PM.

I apologise in advance if anyone is offended by my comments, I have not set out to cause any offence. On the contrary, Griff has my full admiration for the incredible amount of hard work he put into the planning of the event. It must have been a bitter blow when through no fault of his own, it all went wrong.



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Paladine    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 1:50 PM
 
Steve51, as far as I'm concerned, it's only because BroadAmbition, having left the forum, chose to return and revive the thread. Yes, it is being discussed elsewhere, but not so openly. You have to be voted-in member to view that discussion. Mustn't tarnish the 'friendly' image. I prefer things to be out in the open.

Such 'discussion' as is now taking place is not about the whys and wherefores. That would be rather pointless, as is this discussion, I suppose   Indifferent

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Steve51    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 1:53 PM
 
quote:"......
You have to be voted-in member to view that discussion.
......."


Blimey! No wonder they're so "friendly" over there. Scared

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Maurice_Mynah    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 3:07 PM
  Steve51
Broad Ambition chose top keep members here updated on the situation. I would assume he did this here (as well as in the "other place") as some of those involved use this forum alone.

Of the replies since that update, there have been one each from 8 members (inc JM) not including this one of mine.

Two from 3 members,
Three (+ one deleted) from 1 member
7 from 1 member,
and finally 14 from 1 member.

Of those 14 members, only 2 are from members who now predominantly only use the other place. 3 if you include me.
Including this post, those three members have contributed a total of 5 surviving posts.
JM's single (but duplicated ) post was in reply to Richard, who would not be expected to post in the 'other place'.
Broad Ambitions posts were an update and two follow-ups.
Mine is this one!
Of the 12 other members active in this thread, some use both forums others only this one. My first rhetorical question is "Why is that considered grounds to fire cheap snipes at the "other place".
As far as my views about forum openness, well sorry Pally, That's just one where you and I will have to agree to disagree.


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Regulo    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 3:21 PM
  Anyone who attended that day knows Griff's e-mail address, if they don't he has kindly supplied it. If you want information, why don't you ask him? The fact that it all went wrong on the day seems mostly to be the tragic events of Friday, but there are valid points Griff is trying to get to the bottom of. I, personally, doubt the answers he desires will be forthcoming. There were other factors at play that resulted in members leaving, besides this issue, but that is their personal decision. Going over the same ground isn't getting us anywhere, and shows the forum in it's worst bickering, niggling mode. The answers will no doubt be circulated by Griff, if he gets any.

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Paladine    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 4:21 PM
 
I don't think my recent posts have been anything other than supportive of BroadAmbition's efforts to get his answers. He and I have had a very civilised and informative exchange. Some of my posts have been principally about the question of the ownership of, and responsibility for, the lock, not the actual CIC events, so I don't regard it as going over the same ground.

M_M, yes, we certainly do disagree on that point. I would probably take your comments more seriously if you made the same criticism of 'cheap snipes' on the other place as well, but you seem to accept them over there.

Actually, Regulo, I thought the discussions were progressing in a very friendly fashion, until...  Tinhat

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rickh    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 4:59 PM
  Steve 51 I completely agreeyou took the words right out of my mouth , paladines questions are completely relivent as well , let's not forget that a loss of life was the reason for the changes n that's something the organisers knew about on Friday , why didnt the sea trip go out and back in at yarmouth if it was do important to go to sea which in my mind it wasn't but that's my opinion.  The venue was moved causing the catering team the biggest headache but have u heard them complain no   , Yes its true such things take a lot of organising and for those that wanted to take part it sad that I didn't happen , a modified event took place be happy with that for heavens sake n if some people want answers as to what happened that day with the lock then fine ask them , what I personaly object to is the people who left this forum vowing never to return have done just that why ?? , this was never a NBF event in the first place so I personaly can't see the point in raking over old ground causing stupid arguments over. this subject ,any member who wants to know the outcome has the email address of the person who organised this trip use it please , and then we can those of us that didn't jump ship put this whole thing to rest

Richard


Maurice_Mynah    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 5:31 PM
  Pally, If I see such snipes cheap or otherwise I would indeed criticize them as no, I have little time for such things.
It is against the 'T & S' over there to criticize other forums as many members are active on two or more
There are  some who feel that the two forums are in competition with each other, I do not see it that way. Yes there has been a parting of the ways between me and 'aspects' of this forum, though as I have said ever since, I do watch things here. I just prefer frequently not to post.

I know you well enough to know that when there is contention in the air you are interested only in verifiable facts. Opinions are only of interest to you if they are clearly stated as being such. This is one of the reasons I like to read your contributions to whichever forum. As you like to say, a fact is a fact. Saying it's a fact doesn't make it one. However, things are rarely so black and white. Surely it is not just the facts, it is the interpretation of those facts.

If we say I am not doubting the integrity of those involved in this issue, it stands that there is a written document stating that the lock was closed to Griff's flotilla but not to others. Surely then, it is reasonable for him to ask, Why? By whom? and on what authority? Equally it must be reasonable for him to demand replies to these questions. This I believe you agree with. I think it quite reasonable for him to post here and the other place any progress he makes with this enquiry. It would be far easier for him to post in this manner than to PM the individuals involved.

Edited to ask...
Rickh ]what I personaly object to is the people who left this forum vowing never to return have done just that why ??

I don't recall anyone saying, hinting or implying that.



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rickh    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 6:42 PM
  M M  there's a written document to say that the lock was closed to that group ??? If there is I would want to know why too on less there's was good reason for it , surly this thread has run its cause and as I said some people left but chose to POP up as it suits and said there piece on the thread that followed on from this one some of which was bordering on slander , they subsequently took them selfs off n no longer wished to be part of this forum n some stated that , so being members of another forum why not post there ? Geoff np doubt has contact details for all the people involved surly s group email as to the results of any question being asked and answered is the way to go particularly if that person chose of his own free will to no longer participate here .
The vast majority of this forums membership most likely dont care a jot about this episode n even less so for the fact that on this very thread there are less than sympathetic messages after it became clear as to what  had happened the day before this event , I'm sure I'm not alone on the fact opinions of some amber changed I know mine did , the very way they were written implied a complete lack of empathy for the loss of life and only empathy for the loss of going to sea . Life is a one time event , its precious n far more so than a cruise to sea , I'm not putting you personaly in this group but some did post such things n that's shameful , this whole sorry mess should now be resolved by Griff as the organiser and those who were did to take part duly informed of the put come , as I said the vast majority have no interest at all ,  if comments were heard to be made n access was not alowed for wat ever reason then that deserves investigating but there is no need at all to speculate on open forum .

Richard


palmtree    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 7:15 PM
  rickh,

Well said, lets have an end to this.

Ian & Liz


Paladine    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 7:41 PM
 
M_M, pm sent.

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Exile    -- Dec-13-2014 @ 11:36 PM
  Those of us that were not involved in this event and therefore know nothing about it (other than second hand reports or Chinese whispers) should keep well out of it and not comment at all. It is none of our business and I cannot see a single comment in this thread where a non participating poster has contributed anything positive whatsoever.


rickh    -- Dec-14-2014 @ 1:09 AM
  Exile I'm sure I dont need to remind u that this is a open and public forum and the ones who decide that a post lives or dies ate the moderators and the administrator not the membership , in my posts iv asked for this matter ie the seagoing c in c to be delt with by email or pm yet for some reason u thinly I can't and shouldn't post that , that statement is my personal opinion and nothing more , if one chose to read the entire thread or followed it closely at the time then one gets a full insight into what occurred , in a way I agree that people not involved shouldn't comment but this is an open forum and there are people in place to control posts , I have not taken offence as to your post as u like me are a member and have an opinion but it is not a members position to direct people to not post there opinions , all I have asked for is those involved deal with this subject in private as it is of little or no interest to the vast majority of this open and public forum .  



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Paladine    -- Dec-14-2014 @ 9:54 AM
 
Nothing positive, Exile? I wonder how many forum members, or boaters generally, realise that:
a) the BA do not own Mutford Lock;
b) the Mutford Lock is not actually part of the Broads navigation area;
c) the BA are proposing to take over legal responsibility from the owners (ABP), by an agreed Harbour Revision Order;
d) the money the BA spends on the lock is considered to be 100% navigation spending;
d) "at some stage very significant sums of money will be needed to repair it, potentially in the order of £1 million" (source:Asset Management Strategy
Report by Chief Executive, Director of Operations and Asset Officer to the Navigation Committee 13 December 2012).

I knew none of this before the Mutford Lock issue was recently revived.

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readyabout    -- Dec-14-2014 @ 10:55 AM
 
quote:"......it is of little or no interest to the vast majority of this open and public forum......."

Well, it's way up there in the 'top 100'....    
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Exile    -- Dec-14-2014 @ 12:21 PM
  The Mutford lock issue could well be of interest to forum members Paladine. So why not have a full "Mutford lock" thread, rather than have to sift through all the other issues and posts that are not related to get partial information on the subject.
I read threads like this but do not get involved in the discussions because my input would add little or nothing to the party. I simple do not know enough about the issues involved so my contributions would amount to nothing more than fluff and possibly hot air. If however a side issue of interest like Mutford lock came up I would start a new thread with relevant questions on that specific subject.

Open forum or not, the problem with people not involved commenting is that we do not know the details and minutia involved. That leads to misunderstanding, invalid comments and sometimes just pure nonsense.
All IMHO of course.



Paladine    -- Dec-14-2014 @ 12:27 PM
  Exile, I'm still researching Mutford Lock and may well start a new thread on that subject. But it is taking time. If you'd like to start one off yourself, I'll join in when I know more about it myself.

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Exile    -- Dec-14-2014 @ 3:08 PM
  I will wait for your research and start Paladine as I know nothing whatsoever about the subject.
Being a Northern rivers man that has not gone south for a few years I come well down the knowledge league table on southern subjects. Blush


TerryTibbs    -- Dec-15-2014 @ 10:41 AM
  MM wrote, "Pally, If I see such snipes cheap or otherwise I would indeed criticize them as no, I have little time for such things.
It is against the 'T & S' over there to criticize other forums as many members are active on two or more"
"Pally, If I see such snipes cheap or otherwise I would indeed criticize them as no, I have little time for such things.
It is against the 'T & S' over there to criticize other forums as many members are active on two or more"

Written elsewhere on a similar thread.
"A very good post Peter (elsewhere), I wonder if it will be summarily deleted  like some of Griff's as well ?



Stealth censorship hasn't happened here yet, and hopefully never will. There's been no signs of it so far."

John that is just one instance from a thread over the other side that has any number of snide digs at this forum, I haven't seen you critisise them.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me!

This message was edited by TerryTibbs on Dec-15-14 @ 11:03 AM


Maurice_Mynah    -- Dec-15-2014 @ 11:25 AM
  Fair comment, and much the same as Pally wrote to me in a PM.

I like to think I am as likely to admit when being wrong as I am to criticize when I feel I should. On this occasion I apologise and accept that cheap shots are occurring in both camps. I withdraw my statement.

I think therefore I am.  René Descartes.
I sink therefore I was.  Maurice Mynah.


Limbury1    -- Dec-15-2014 @ 1:09 PM
  As a newbie to this forum I see no difference than other forums and committees I've come across in my 72 yrs there is always politics,sniping varying from good natured to damn right nasty .there are always groups within the group who stick together whether right or wrong ,this is the nature of the beast ,but I believe transparency is a must,other forums and committees are just that ,other forums and committees the one I've just joined is called the Norfolk Broads Forum so surely this is the one we should be bothered with.I believe in truth at all times whatever the cost that's what should happen as the norm, and I as any other member has the option to leave the forum if it gets to much and to silly.
A.T.B.   Rob. Limbury1.

Limbury 1
If you can't see it it's not there ,if you
can see it , it's still not there,the world
is all Illusion.


BroadAmbition    -- Dec-15-2014 @ 9:30 PM
  Edit?

You mean Censor

Well censor this


Griff



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EDIT: You've been a member here long enough to know
why this post has been edited.

This message was edited by BroadAmbition on Dec-16-14 @ 7:48 PM


Paladine    -- Dec-15-2014 @ 11:18 PM
 
BroadAmbition, one question, if I may.

Exactly when were you notified that your CIC could not use the lock?

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BroadAmbition    -- Dec-15-2014 @ 11:43 PM
 
And this


Griff

'Broad Ambition'
Queens Diamond Jubilee
Thames Pageant 2012 -
H91

'Dreams do come true' -
Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-
10

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This message was edited by BroadAmbition on Dec-16-14 @ 7:50 PM


zacthedog    -- Dec-16-2014 @ 11:16 PM
  Paly  it was saturday morning that Griff was informed about the lock if memory serves me correctly.


Gary
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OFFICIAL QUIZ TEDDY THROWER 2011


rickh    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 12:02 AM
    Careful now ur eraser will fall off the end of ur pencil . Playful  Gasp

Richard


Forresters    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 1:19 AM
  This is ridiculous now. Why have Griff's posts been removed?  It is one thing accusing ex posters of having their own agendas and yet another of removing ex poster's valid posts.

This amounts to the same thing, own agenda.  

The pace of life down there
suits us


Forresters    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 1:38 AM
  Griff's posts have been largely censored for no good reason.  What you see now is not what he posted.  While I'm on the subject why leave a post that says censor this then.  As if to say no we didn't.  I saw Griff's post he said about the business's on Oulton Broad being equally as guilty about being insensitive to the death of a holiday maker.

I don't agree with that view because the businesses have commitments to their customers who have expectations which would have been let down for no good reason.  This is not a view against the expectations and planning of the salty CinC

If this is an open forum then keep it open

The pace of life down there
suits us


Forresters    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 1:57 AM
  I now realise on reading again that Griff appears to have edited his own posts.  Take it back about censor this etc at face value Griff appears to have chosen to leave that there.

Billy Smart's circus is in town

The pace of life down there
suits us


rickh    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 2:19 AM
  I think ull find that the original poster has edited his own post to zero content as it tells u that at the bottom of each edited  post , and my remark afterwards was ment in a light hearted way .maybe its time the mods stepped in n closed this thread off as its going nowhere apart from down hill .

Richard


Paladine    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 9:07 AM
 
zacthedog wrote "Paly  it was saturday morning that Griff was informed about the lock if memory serves me correctly."

Sorry, your memory is not serving you at all well. I've heard from BroadAmbition that he was first told on the Friday. Evidently the tragic incident did play a part in the closure of the lock to the CIC (as well as to other traffic). What transpired after that initial decision is still shrouded in fog. Had the decision taken place before the incident, I would agree the possibility of a 'conspiracy', but now I'm inclined to think it was just down to human error.

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Exile    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 10:17 AM
  Some people will never learn....
I read Griff's original post of the 15th and there was no earthly reason that it should have been edited. The points that he made were perfectly reasonable and for the life of me I cannot see how they were beyond the TOS.

When there was the last mass exodus of members from here it was largely because of over zealous modding.
Since then the modding has generally had a lighter touch which has been very much to the benefit of the forum and to the credit of the mods.
Why are we slipping back into the bad old ways now?

By the way....I suspect that Griff did not edit his own posts and that it only appears that way because he commented on the editing already done by the mods.




This message was edited by Exile on Dec-17-14 @ 10:20 AM


Paladine    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 10:40 AM
 
"Why are we slipping back into the bad old ways now?"

I would have thought that was glaringly obvious.



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Hylander    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 11:10 AM
  If I had a ruddy great big whistle I would blow it
as loud as I could.

You lot - find yoursleves something useful to do.

    

Gasp

Women dont nag they just point
things out...



M


This message was edited by Hylander on Dec-17-14 @ 11:10 AM


Paladine    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 11:17 AM
 
I'm packing for my Christmas hols  Smile

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cheshireca    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 11:21 AM
  HERE HERE 1 ... LOL

G Cochrane


londonrascal    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 11:23 AM
  I think one could print this thread out and use it as a script with actors in a new show called ‘The Forum’.

It would surly leave the audience cringing and in hysterics in equal measure.

A lot of the problem is this thread has now gone on for so many pages that it is easy for posters to have lost track – and trying to look back to original points raised together with those shared right after the event in July not to mention those when the thread came back to life recently.

Making it harder still to work out what is going on and who is saying what is the many missing posts or those which have been edited.  It is akin to being handed a report with lots of blacked out text and trying to make sense of it all.

Some of Griffs posts were edited by Griff.

Astute readers as Exile has made point of would have seen that some had not originally been edited by Griff.  A recently example was in post which says:

“EDIT: You've been a member here long enough to know  why this post has been edited.”

This post was edited by Garry Cantley who wrote the above - Griff then edited his own post and in so doing now appears as the person who edited the post.

Of some interest to some is the fact Garry Cantley is not a moderator – if you look at his aviator it does not show he is one and yet he has the administrative rights to edit peoples posts – or moderate them. So on it goes round and round recycling things with no new facts being brought to the fore which makes it all a bit pointless keep going over the same things until there is something new to report.  




| Robin |


Steve51    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 12:06 PM
  Paladine posted,
quote:"......
"Why are we slipping back into the bad old ways now?"  I would have thought that was glaringly obvious.
......."


I totally agree.

Steve. CM1


rickh    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 12:15 PM
  Robin , if these people nd been realy astute them they would have been post after post in relationship to this thread asking for it to be put to bed , this forum as everyone knows is moderated and of people don't like that fact then there other forums , in fact after the whole mess last time several members did just that and leave , like u say nothing new is being reported and the entire thread has now not only confusing but getting to the point where moderation is going to have to be used , I don't think there is a conspiracy with  this thread or that there was at OBYS by anyone to me its human error and I have seen nothing to support any other theory . If people which go undertake a full investigation that's fine and good luck I personal think u won't get the answers and are flogging a dead horse , one thing of great interest has come to light , and that's the ownership of the lock itself which after Christmas no doubt pally will share with us as that likely affects more people than this subject does .
This whole this has rolled on nearly a yr now and 5 months since it took place sort of therefore nearly as much time to argue over t as organise it that in its self is ridiculous .
So at the risk of repeating my self again can we draw a line under this episode and move on please .

Richard


Paladine    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 12:18 PM
 
I always understood the forum team hierarchy to be (in descending order):
Owner;
Administrator;
Moderator.

Hardly surprising, then, that GaryCantley, as administrator, has editing rights, as, I would expect, does the owner.

As far as facts being brought to the fore, I have already mentioned the (to me) interesting facts about the status of Mutford Lock.

But continual bickering is non-productive, and I had hoped that we had gone beyond that. Hopes that have been dashed. I'm sure a simple update regarding the CIC, if, as and when it becomes appropriate, would be welcomed by many, but not the unhelpful personal comments (by anybody).

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Marshman    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 12:26 PM
  Hi Pally - lost the will to live with this thread months AND months ago. Didnt realise the core topic was still relevant anymore and having read the last page, realise its not!!!!

Not quite sure why the NBF does this every now and again, but someone must have a self destruct button somewhere - never mind it will resurrect itself again i guess. It always has!!!! Smile


rickh    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 12:30 PM
  :) a forum echo Smile  , I could not agree more paladine , let this be an end go it now .

Richard


Hylander    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 12:38 PM
  http://uk.ask.com/youtube?q=Let+it+go+utube&v=L0MK7qz13bU&qsrc=472

Merry Christmas.


Mon

Women dont nag they just point
things out...



M


Boatboy    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 1:05 PM
  As someone who could argue with himself inside a deserted room I can kind of see the reason behind some of the early bickering (for want of a better word) in this thread, but I see no reason whatsoever for this later round. What is everyone arguing about?

Griff returns to the thread to update it with information which may be relevant to some members here. As a result of that, debate takes place over the ownership, responsibility for, etc, etc, etc, the Mutford Lock. All quite interesting to anyone interested in the Broads, certainly interesting to me.

So what's the problem, what's to argue about?

Perhaps it would help if members refrained from suggesting what might or might not be of interest to other forum members, if you are not interested go read something else. Also, in my opinion it is not for members to comment on what should and should not be discussed or posted, that is the job for moderators and admin. If you have a complaint about a particular post exceeding the TOS then pm the mods rather than starting an argument on the thread. If they agree they'll act. If they don't then put up and shut up!

There are plenty of valid points to debate!

Regards
Paul - "Unsuspecting Tyro"
Since 1985.

“Rivers know this: there is no
hurry. We shall get there some
day.”


readyabout    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 1:41 PM
 
quote:"......http://uk.ask.com/youtube?q=Let+it+go+utube&v=L0MK7qz13bU&qsrc=472 ......."

Wink

Regards

Paul
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Exile    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 4:11 PM
  The best way to stop this thread... in a quiet uncontroversial manner so that it can gradually drift away.

1. Light moderation
2. Starting new threads for discussion when side issues come up that are not directly part of the subject.
3. Those of us not on the the CinC (therefore ignorant of the details) not commenting on it or on any updates for those that were.

Not rocket science.










This message was edited by Exile on Dec-17-14 @ 4:13 PM


rickh    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 4:55 PM
  Exile If u were not involved then why are u dictating to the membership of an open and public forum what to and not to post , there are 37 pages here plenty for people to get there heads around but its true the entire facts arnt known not even to the organiser , the update as u call it contained absolutely nothing that wasn't known already to most , yes there are thing that have come up in  light regarding this episode that need new threads I agree and no doubt that will happen , I personaly wish this whole thing would just disappear as most of it is not relivent and if u read my posts u will see that , wat I do object to is other members yourself included telling us that because we were not directly involved the we should not have an opinion or voice it through a pubic channel such as this forum , and that is the reason for my post , this should have bin delt with by those involved by pm there was no reason ay all to inform everyone that the case was still open and the the real truth had yet to be discovered , I for one and I'm know I'm not alone in this will giving  this thread a wide berth from now on as I'm sick to death of hearing about it and being told that my opinion is not req by a member not a moderator and I know I appear to be singling u out but trust me I'm not others have said the same thing  so please don't take this personaly , new threads of relivence  will appear in the future and be discussed Hopefuly by everyone that has a interest  in a democratic fashion .

Richard


Exile    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 6:42 PM
  Rickh wrote,
" I personaly wish this whole thing would just disappear as most of it is not relivent and if u read my posts u will see that "

The reason for my last post was that a few people (including yourself) have already expressed that view....
Perhaps if we all take the steps in my post you may get your wish.




This message was edited by Exile on Dec-17-14 @ 6:43 PM


zacthedog    -- Dec-17-2014 @ 11:19 PM
  Right, back on topic.
Pally, Griff knew the locks were shut on friday but that was only for friday for the protection of evidence, it was not until saturday and a fair few phone calls that he was told the locks would remain shut. Then the decision to go to beccle via the rivers was made.


Gary
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OFFICIAL QUIZ TEDDY THROWER 2011


Richard    -- Dec-18-2014 @ 12:06 AM
  Many thanks to the last few posters for trying to bring things back on track.

The forum is about the Norfolk Broads, not sea going trips.

Griff was totally aware with what was going on, and I felt at the time totally understood them, so I'm not sure why this thread was re-started as he knew how to get in touch with everyone involved.

I'm not going to lock this thread, as this is something I really hate to do.

But if you want to post on this topic, please think first.

Cheers

Richard


TerryTibbs    -- Dec-18-2014 @ 10:29 AM
  BB wrote
"Griff returns to the thread to update it with information which may be relevant to some members here. As a result of that, debate takes place over the ownership, responsibility for, etc, etc, etc, the Mutford Lock. All quite interesting to anyone interested in the Broads, certainly interesting to me.

So what's the problem, what's to argue about?"

A/Griff has stated publicly both here and elswhere that he no longer wishes to be associated with this site, Fact!

B/ Griff has the contact details of every person who was going on his CinC either e-mail or using the pm facility here, Fact!

C/ Griff knew/knows that this whole sorry saga was a very devisive issue on this forum, FACT!

Griff chose to come on here and make a public statement of the situation followed by other disaffected members who have made various veiled (and in some cases not so veiled) accusations against individuals and organisations, why? I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

Dave



if it is to be it is up to me!


Exile    -- Dec-18-2014 @ 2:21 PM
  TT
I think it would have been very much better if you had heeded Richards advice in the post before yours.


TerryTibbs    -- Dec-18-2014 @ 3:39 PM
  Maybe, Exy, maybe not, some one has to be honest.

dave

if it is to be it is up to me!


Exile    -- Dec-18-2014 @ 5:31 PM
  But there are two sides to every story TT. If this thread is to die best not invite the other side to state theirs.


BroadAmbition    -- Dec-18-2014 @ 7:55 PM
 
Bingo! - There you go TT reliable as ever

Come on TT - You can do better than this if you want to have a dig in my general direction- it's below your normal standard - disappointing I have to say.


A/Griff has stated publicly both here and elsewhere that he no longer wishes to be associated with this site, Fact!

I can't remember using those words precisely but if you want to peddle it as fact - fire away, no argument from this quarter

B/ Griff has the contact details of every person who was going on his CinC either e-mail or using the pm facility here, Fact!

WRONG - I don't have everyone's e-mail that attended the C-in-C - I wish I did, Nor could I be bothered to drag up the list, then individually contact all 22 skippers by PM either, besides some of those skippers are not members of the NBF (But used to look-in) so I could not PM them either so a generic broadcast addressed to those that took part seemed the only way of keeping them up to speed, both here and elsewhere


C/ Griff knew/knows that this whole sorry saga was a very devisive issue on this forum, FACT!  Griff chose to come on here and make a public statement of the situation followed by other disaffected members who have made various veiled (and in some cases not so veiled) accusations against individuals and organizations, why? I leave you to draw your own conclusions.Dave

Most of that lot is just your opinion, my opinion is fortunately totally opposite.  My update was aimed just at the skippers - If you want to blow it out of all proportion - help yourself, I ain't losing any sleep over it.

I'm doing my best to calm down the situation by refraining from posting, maybe you could do the same?  Thought not! Ce cera cera - fill your boots


Griff

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rickh    -- Dec-18-2014 @ 8:33 PM
  Enough now where do u think ur the school yard  ?? Pack it in and act like an adult , END OF

Richard


Boatboy    -- Dec-18-2014 @ 9:07 PM
  An old timer from Oulton Broad
went to sea in a '63 Ford
He got through the lock
But sank in the dock
So the forum put him to the sword


Regards
Paul - "Unsuspecting Tyro"
Since 1985.

“Rivers know this: there is no
hurry. We shall get there some
day.”


Exile    -- Dec-18-2014 @ 11:26 PM
  Inevitable. When the sleeping dogs were laying....
This has got way too personal now. Totally unnecessary.

Unless BA has been banned he is entitled to continue to post whatever he said previously. Loads of people have "left" this forum only to return later.
Nor should his posts be edited to such an extent that they may just as well have been written by the editor and just signed BA.
This all started when the "mod team" felt it necessary to close ranks on one of their own who made the dreadful AA error of judgement and it has been back and forth and got worse since.

BA (and other parties)  would do better just to let this die on here, however much they feels aggrieved. It is only going to get worse rather than better.






This message was edited by Exile on Dec-19-14 @ 12:56 AM


CaptBryan    -- Dec-19-2014 @ 8:23 AM
  Thank you Excile, your post does clear up some confusion in my mind re the AA business. The truth is two people in Admin/mod capacity have caused a lot of mischief and caused a great deal of damage to this forum. If I was one of the banner advertisers I would not wish my business to be associated with it anymore.
Richard's wishes should be complied with. More thought and less barrack room law if this forum is to prosper. On the other side of the coin the Owner should revisit the suitability of temperament and personality of those running the site on a day to day basis. Happy Christmas all and hopefully a more peaceful new year. Must go have to fly!

Captain Howe.

The Eagle may soar majestic,
but you don't suck a Stoat
into your jet engines.
Please leave the water and
banks as you would wish to
find them.


Karen&Mike    -- Dec-19-2014 @ 10:27 AM
  A reminder or two folks:

Any member or moderator of this forum is freely entitled to
write/communicate with any organisation/publication etc that they
wish to, though not in the name of the forum of course. This is their
choice in the free country we live in.

Many moons back it was agreed by Richard that a thread about the
sea going trip could remain purely for arrangments info only,
because it was a non Broads and non NBF event.

We all know the topic caused discord as there were very strong
views. Why resurrect it now?! And if you do, don't expect it to go
down well!

Karen




Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting
off!!"


This message was edited by Karen&Mike on Dec-19-14 @ 10:47 AM


stevet0205    -- Dec-19-2014 @ 11:51 AM
  Why not move to to the 'not really the broads' group then it would be in the right place?

Please don't lock it, it's been entertaining watching a few keyboard warriors doing their thing Smile



Life isn't measured by the
number of breaths you take,
but by the number of moments
that take your breath away.

Steve & Deb


Hylander    -- Dec-19-2014 @ 12:23 PM
  I really must get these glasses changed.  I read that last line as 'doing their fling'.   I imagine cabers being tossed and kilts a flying and nether regions being exposed.  

No I have not been on the source,  well not yet anyway.



Women dont nag they just point
things out...



M


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