Topic: Coltishall to Horstead?


gembo    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 10:09 AM
  Hi everyone,
I was wondering if someone could awnser me this;
Can you navigate from Coltishall to Horstead by cruiser?
Next week will be my 3rd holiday on the broads but I've never ventured past wroxham, my partner has family in Horstead so we were wondering if we could get there by boat.
All the info I've read says Coltishall is the furthest navigational point but I'm not sure why this is or if anyone has tried going further. Our boat isn't so big (only 4 birth) so would this make a difference?
I hope someone can awnser my quisetion, have a very stubborn boyfriend and dont want to get stuck where we can't be towed out of Smile
thanks!


woodwose    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 10:22 AM
  Coltishall and Horstead are effectively the same place. Coltishall on one side of the river and Horstead on the other. The limit of navigation is Coltishall Lock.

Hope this helps.

Nigel


Rondonay    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 10:27 AM
  I assume you are hiring? If so the limits of navigation are just that, limits. You should not attempt to go beyond them, they are set with local knowledge and good reason.
Owner? Then it's up to you if you risk damaging your boat and getting stuck.
Suggestion, get a dinghy to potter in the less accessible places, even to attempt to row up to Horstead. With a dinghy you could probably get yourself out of trouble. Lifejackets a good idea! Smile

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gembo    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 10:36 AM
  My partner's gandparents live just before the mill pond in horstead, all we can see on the map is that the river splits in two at coltishall, i assumed one part went into the mill pond and the other part carried on past. I didn't realise there was a lock. We were hoping to get as close as we could to the mill pond and take his grandparents out for the day(they cant walk too far),I guess this isn't an option.
Thanx for your replies, We'll have to re-think!


Jeremy    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 10:54 AM
  You don't need to rethink.

Although you can't navigate into the mill pond you can navigate down the right hand fork in the river and moor below the lock.

From there it is only a short walk over to the mill pond.

Lovely little spot, narrow and the bank is 'unmade' so you need to be careful getting on and off.

Also only a short walk to one of the best pubs on the broads for quality food.


‘Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won’t drown’
Swallows and Amazons (Chapter 1), 1930


ncsl    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 11:53 AM
  I went to the lock on the right hand fork this year.
It is very narrow and shallow.
I was OK going towards the lock but when I turned - 23 foot Freeman - it was a bit tight and on the way back I did touch bottom and stalled the engine.

So care needs to be taken.
It is a NO - NO for hire boats !

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Karen&Mike    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 12:09 PM
  We do that run quite often, right up to the locks, but it def is shallow once you get past the pub and the fork in the river. Our boat has a draft of less than 2 feet and we have touched the bottom just like Paul!

I am sure there used to be a sign up by the Rising Sun that said it was the limit of navigation for hire boats but there isn't one there now. However, I am sure the maps show that as the end of "navigable" waters (ie deep enough and wide enough for cruisers).

That said, we have seen a fair few hire cruisers go trundling by but I wouldn't take the risk of any damage myself, not on a hire boat as the yard are likely to charge you. Turning by the locks is narrow so even with a small boat (like ours or Pauls) you end up in the even shallower water by the bank.

A dinghy or rowing boat for that stretch is probably your best option but I appreciate your relatives may not be keen on getting into that if they have limited mobility. Can someone drive them to the Green at Coltishall and they could get on board there.

happy hols,

Karen

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Jeremy    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 12:13 PM
  Odd I was up there in 38' hire boat in June and had no real problems. Bit shallow and narrow but nothing too serious.

The limit of the navigation is the lock not the Rising Sun so there is no reason a hire boat shouldn't go there.

Jeremy

‘Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won’t drown’
Swallows and Amazons (Chapter 1), 1930


gembo    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 12:22 PM
  Ahh some conflicting views!
Well I personally wouldn't want to risk it, as you say, I wouldn't want to be paying for any damage caused to my hire boat.
My partner on the other hand spent a lot of time in that mill pond and the river as a child and is absolutely sure we can get right up to it.
Shallow water is obviously a worry and i doubt he would want to be in the river trying to free our boat(and believe me he would try it thinking he could pull it out by himslf!)so I think we'll give it a go but not go right up to the lock. Maybe i could get out and walk a way, then we could moore up before the water starts to look shallow. we can hire dingyd from our boat yard so thats also an option.
Thanks again!



Karen&Mike    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 12:31 PM
  Well its a fair few years since we hired and we were told that we should go no further than the pubs. And I can assure you we have touched the bottom more than once, including just a month or so ago.

I think it best of the OP checks with his yard for draft and clarification rather than any of us telling him its definitely OK.

I don't have my Broads map with me at home, its on the boat, so if I am wrong about the limit of navigation I stand corrected, but as an owner we keep a keen eye on the depth and I can assure you its shallow especially by the locks. Will be better after some rain of course, so there will be some tidal and weather differences.

Karen

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Karen&Mike    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 12:40 PM
  The left fork to the millpond is now very overgrown and I would say not navigable at all by even a small cruiser.

Perhaps somone has some recent pics? I may have some but as I'm at work at the mo I'll have to look later this evening...

I seem to recall there was a threadabout this last year, so again, will have to do a bit of digging for you. What we dont want to do is tell you its all fine, then you have a prob and hold us responsible! Smile


Karen

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Jeremy    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 12:45 PM
  Well as an owner and a hirer I keep a keen eye on depths in both capacities.

No harm in having a little explore if you keep your eyes open, go slow and use your brain.

Jeremy


‘Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won’t drown’
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zacthedog    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 12:45 PM
  ' will have to do a bit of digging for you. '
karen, you offering to do some dredging then ? Playful

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ncsl    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 12:46 PM
  The sign is no longer there.

It use to be past the Raising Sun by about 150 feet and on the bank where the house is with the willow trees.
I have a picture some where but can not find it now.

I certainly wouldn't go there in a hire boat after seeing what it is like,I think Griff has been there in BA and I have seen the Wherry Hartor there too but think that came back the same way it went up.

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lovejoy54    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 1:02 PM
  just had a look on the net the river bure up past coltishall to aylsham lock must have been a lovely stretch ,anyone any ideas if part of the stretch will be reopened ?

if wishes were horses beggars would ride.
roy haslam


Karen&Mike    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 1:13 PM
  Gary - surely you know by now that I am a pen and paper girl  tounge-in-cheek

Actually, I love getting my hands dirty in the garden - no gloves for me! But dredging...... yuk! Still, Paul would be there with his camera and it would turn into some sort of mud wrestling event!

Fundraiser maybe?! lol

Karen

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gembo    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 2:08 PM
  changing the subject slightly; has anyone heard of the mill pond at horstead being haunted, I've heard the village has 3 ghosts and one is a woman who drowned herseld in the pond, and she can be seen standing in the water.
Not that I'm supersticious, it is interesting though, just wonder if anyone has had any experiences of ghosts in the area?


lovejoy54    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 6:03 PM
  spirits in the rising sun !!!

if wishes were horses beggars would ride.
roy haslam


ncsl    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 6:28 PM
  Have a look here:-
http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=22&Topic=5261&srow=1&erow=10

A few years ago now - 2006 threads

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Ranoe    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 7:09 PM
  Funny thing happened on the way to the forum this evening, earlier I replied with a picture of the lock and it was there, now it is not, if I have been modded, tell me.

Ranoe01


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 7:40 PM
 
imho there is no reason why you cannot go all the way up to the lock, just take it slowly. I have taken 'B.A' all the way to the lock at the end and turned, I seem to remember is was a 20 odd point turn though!

Only week before last we went to the fork for the mill and turned there. On both occasions I never felt 'B.A' touch bottom. However the way 'B.A' has her prop is well protected. One of these trips we will go the the lock for an overnighter so we can visit the Recruiting Sargeant pub as I've not been in it for an age now.

The fork to the mill seems to be passable in a dinghy, not sure of the depth though as it will be over 30 odd years since I last took a dinghy up there. If I was to do it again anytime soon methinks I would need a sharp handsaw but even without one it does seem passable.

Now then can anyone tell me what's wrong in the attached photo and no smart alec saying she is too dry either!


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Grendel    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 7:48 PM
  is the propeller on backwards?
Grendel


GaryCantley    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 7:54 PM
  Ranoe,

quote:"......
Funny thing happened on the way to the forum this evening, earlier I replied with a picture of the lock and it was there, now it is not, if I have been modded, tell me.
......."



Dont think it was so much modded as tidied. There seems to have been two threads about Coltishall to Horstead, both started by the same person. This thread probably had more postings than the other so the other one was removed, along with your piccy. Nothing sinister.

Gary.

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BroadAmbition    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 8:01 PM
 

Hi Grendel,

Not seen you before, welcome to us madcap lot.

Nope the prop is NOT on backwards, bu**er me if I had of done that I'd never live it down.


Griff

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w-album    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 9:20 PM
  I took Water Rail up towards the lock in April but chickened out even though I knew BA had made it on a previous visit (mentioned on another thread back then).

The problem was the water levels were low and as Water Rail went through the trees the water was really being sucked away from the side with only a small channel in the middle.  Water Rail creates very little wash so this was a bit unconcerting

Because as mentioned in another thread I have problems with reversing in a straight line my attempts to go backwards back down the river failed and she started to turn as there was quite a strong current coming down from the lock.  The clever little boat actually turned in almost her own length, there was not much else at this point widthwise so with just a little throttle in reverse and then forward to avoid stiring up too much mud we were able to turn her and leave.

I was very annoyed I didn't make it to the lock.
Liz


jaguar    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 9:39 PM
 
isn't BA fitted with a four bladed prop?


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jaffa6938    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 10:48 PM
  Aheeemm come on then Griff you have had long enough keeping us all in suspenders
Evil Grin
So whats wrong with the photo?

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jaguar    -- Jul-29-2010 @ 10:52 PM
  told you the answer jaffa
pic from griffs thread

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Ranoe    -- Jul-30-2010 @ 12:41 AM
  Thanks for reply Gary, wondered what I had said or done?

Anyway pic again, but this was in 1960 and hire craft moored both sides in those days.

Ranoe01


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-30-2010 @ 5:29 AM
 

Sorry for reply, didn't get back on last night.

Yep Bang on the money there Mike, after having balanced/profiled 'B.A's original prop we then decided to fit a new engine to 'B.A' rather than reconditioning the original 4108 which meant a big leap in shp and seeing as there wasn't room for a bigger diameter prop to be fitted we changed to 4 x blades. As can be seen from the photo those clever designers at Powles came up with what we see here as a result it would be kinda difficult to ground her prop or rudder.

This design is a bonus when navigating suspected shallow waters as dead slow means I can venture forth confidently


Griff


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nautiuser    -- Jul-30-2010 @ 8:27 AM
  I used to take my previous boat a 39' Windboat up there and managed to turn her like Griff carefully and with lots of back and forth, the problem with the branch to the millpond is more overhanging/fallen trees, whilst dinghies and canoes can make it (you still have to duck), nothing larger would make it. It is quite a stiff paddle due to the current, but I enjoy the millpond, and will often take the short cut back down (and I do mean down) to the lock. I appreciate that water levels change and it is quite possible that due to this 'long hot dry summer' tounge-in-cheek that the water might be a bit low at the mo.

Hugh


springsong    -- Jul-30-2010 @ 8:37 AM
  Hi Hugh
What was your 39' Windboat. A Finewind ?
Sorry to go off topic. Scared

Barry

" A well balanced man has a drink in each hand "   Billy Connolly


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-30-2010 @ 1:45 PM
 

Here's a thought, IF I was to gently nose 'B.A' into the fork for the mill pond, mustered the creww on the foc'sle/Fwd coach house roof armed with a few good hand saws, would I get into trouble and if so from whom?


Griff

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Karen&Mike    -- Jul-30-2010 @ 4:43 PM
  Here's a pic showing the start of the left fork. I recall Mike saying its pretty stoney there rather than muddy below water - due to the faster flowing water from the top end?

Anyway, I still think you are all overlooking the depth issues  Smile   and I really think draft is the key to getting safely to the lock, using the right fork.

Griff - I think we should rename you Indiana Jones...  Playful Wink



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Karen&Mike    -- Jul-30-2010 @ 4:57 PM
  And here's from the other end. As you can see , a family are just leaving the millpond by canoe. This is from last sept.

So, fancy your chances on BA Griff? Somebody should be there with a camera if you do! I think a few of the kids in canoes and those fishing would get a b****y big surprise.

Ooh, and watch out for the sunken dinghy thats there (or was last year) Looked a decent sized one, sitting on the bottom. But then its hard to tell through the water, and I couldn't get a decent pic. It was still there a few weeks later too.

Karen

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Marshman    -- Jul-30-2010 @ 6:57 PM
  You certainly can go up the right fork to the Lock but
it has got shallow and now this time of year is
probably quite weedy.
I have taken the AQ35 up there this year but i did
clean out the water filter up there as it is a muddy
and bitty bottom (!).
This year it is bad and not helped by the fact that
there is little flow over the weir. From the mill pond
there is an overflow into the lock stretch but this
year it is hardly flowing when normally it has tons of
water pouring down it.
So the answer in essence is yes you can get up to the
Lock but I would only do it in my boat and you would
have to be prepared for some problems. I turned the 35'
boat by rope without an issue but my recommendation is
to walk from Coltishall - only the best part of 15 mins
or so.
I hope sometime we get some rain - not dribbles, and
once the flow downstream has been re established it
will improve matters.
,


Spider    -- Jul-30-2010 @ 9:20 PM
  We've taken a variety of hireboats up to the lock over the years and have never had a problem. Most recently a little 27-footer in May and I must say it did look shallower than normal. Though not as bad as Waxham Cut the last time we tried that! It is a lovely, quiet spot and I would have no hesitation in going again. As has been said, I think the draft of your boat is key, and it is very important to take it slowly and cautiously.


Tim    -- Jul-30-2010 @ 10:55 PM
  Last years thread on this subject is named "Recruiting Sargent Moorings ?" if somebody would like to create a link  

Many Thanks Tim

This message was edited by Tim on Jul-30-10 @ 12:01 AM


ncsl    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 7:24 AM
  Heres the link Tim

http://the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=19&Topic=64&keywords=Recruiting%20Sargent%20Moorings



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Karen&Mike    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 8:19 AM
  Actually, I think this is the one:

http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=47&Topic=18252

Thanks for that Tim.

Karen

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ncsl    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 8:43 AM
  Thought my link wasnt any good.  Most got caught on the over hanging branches  lol !


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smellyloo    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 9:02 AM
  I know that owning a boat on Britains Magical Waterland can get a bit frustrating when you have motored everywhere but ........

surely the upper reaches of the rivers should be left free from large noisy cruisers, leaving these delightful stretches of river free to be enjoyed by small craft away from the noise and pollution of the infernal diesal.

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Dibbler    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 10:15 AM
  I hear that the Great Ouse is a nice quiet river...maybe you'd be happier on there with the rest of your beloved 'small craft'?  Question


John

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smellyloo    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 10:24 AM
  Dibbler:

The broads is such a diverse waterway that I feel there is room for all. The narrow, shallower upper reaches are a sactuary for those seeking a quieter more tranquil experience.


Dibbler    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 10:31 AM
  I'd like to think that the system is for everyone too but, with respect, many of your postings do seem to indicate an almost bigoted intolerance for motor vessels in general and larger cruisers in particular. Hardly a sign that you are willing to agree that the system is for all wouldn't you say?

On another thread, you've said that larger vessels spoil the view from a pub car park!

Please tell me that you're really not that narrow-minded and that you're just having a joke?


John

This message was edited by Dibbler on Jul-31-10 @ 11:33 AM


smellyloo    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 10:41 AM
  Dibbler commented "many of your postings do seem to indicate an almost bigoted intolerance for motor vessels in general and larger cruisers in particular".

Ah yes, somewhat tongue in cheek although I do feel that the broads hire fleet has become much larger, higher and in my humble view, uglier.

When I had a boat I chose a small sailing cruiser .... I think my comments aimed at the stinkie's was somewhat based on jeolousy .... in comparison to my own humble vessel they had loads of room, oodles of comfort, and could actually go places.

Even though "Dibbler" you have un-earthed the truth I will still continue to "mock" the stinkies even though secertetly I would like to join their ranks.
  Wink

Dibbler ... please forgive my spellings and be gentle in your replies.

Edited for Dibbler: I stand by the cooments made re: horning ferry.

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ncsl    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 10:47 AM
    hire fleet has become much larger, higher  

That can not be a bad thing as it keeps the Ant a nice haven for them that can get under Ludham.. Evil Grin

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Dibbler    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 11:15 AM
 
quote:"......
and be gentle in your replies
......."


Am I not always the epitome of the gentle response then? You wound me, sir! LOL

Seriously though, many thanks for your reply, Smellyloo...I rather enjoyed your post and I'm very relieved to know that you're vitriol was tongue-in-cheek and that your dark 'stinkie-tendency' secret is out! Evil Grin  A bit like my similar 'forced outage' a couple of years ago on a sailing craft where my stupid ear-to-ear grin was, naturally, caught on camera for all to see! Not good. Smile

I find myself agreeing with you as regards the size and style of some of the latest hire craft. To me, and it is only an opinion, some of them are a real aesthetic misfire and not very boat-like. A downward trend to me, I like a boat to look like a boat.

Paul, you're a wicked man...bottle up a certain Stalham fleet above Ludham Bridge? Surely not? Evil Grin  Evil Grin

Might cut down on the sinkings though... LOL


John


chrismbooth    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 3:11 PM
  Looking at Royalls website Blog, Sara and Nigel Royall took their 'Royall Oak' up to the lock this month, on their holiday cruise..

chris


Marshman    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 3:33 PM
  Thats as may be - as I said I take my own AF 35 up there
but thats not necessarily an endorsement or encouragement
to suggest a hirer takes their boat up, especially in the
current water conditions!!!


Tim    -- Jul-31-2010 @ 9:14 PM
  A quick glance through the B.C.U handbook (an excellent publication a bit like Hamilton's but covers the UK ) reveals river miles free from motorised craft outnumber river miles navigable by motorised craft by about ten to one.

Boaters on the Broards should be campaining a lot harder for restoration of the locks and navigations that are closed to us.

If the restorations in the rest of the country were mirrored here we would have a system half as big again

Many Thanks Tim


Marshman    -- Aug-1-2010 @ 11:02 AM
  Hi Tim - think your maths may be a bit out!!! So
Geldeston to Bungay, Coltishall to Aylsham and Wayford to
North Walsham adds up to 50 miles!! Not quite! Smile
I think also their would be a lot of local opposition and
particularly in the latter case not enough water coming
down to warrant it.
Still these have all been well aired before and you will
see its not entirely straightforward as you seem to
suggest!!


gregafloat    -- Aug-3-2010 @ 5:24 PM
  Hi Karen,
quote:"......
Actually, I think this is the one:  http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=47&Topic=18252
......."

Hey! Trying to get me into trouble again? I got enough stick for posting all those photographs, last time!  Smile

Unfortunately, Zena, the old (15 years) English Setter referred to in the thread had to be put to sleep a fortnight ago.

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Karen&Mike    -- Aug-3-2010 @ 6:00 PM
  "in trouble" ??? - that would be you and me both then! I'm always in trouble Smile

Very sorry to hear about your dog Zena. Our pets are such great companions aren't they? She'll be chasing rabbits and geese forever now.

All the best, Karen





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SailingSloth    -- Aug-3-2010 @ 6:01 PM
  Coltishall Lock?

You're nowt but a bunch of sissies.  Wink

The water is deeper up there than in most of Heigham Sound.

Here we are, stopped for refreshment at the Norfolk Mead Hotel, somewhere between the river fork and the lock.

The mast? Ah well, as you asked I'll tell you. Ahem. While parked we thought it might be as well to pick the few oak leaves out of the rigging.

And the rest of the tree...

SS


Marshman    -- Aug-3-2010 @ 6:43 PM
  Yep SS but you only went to the Norfolk Mead - it is
definately shallower after the fork and I am not sure it
is worth encouraging a hire cruiser to go up there
especially with current river levels!!!!
However its his decision and should he block his intake
and "fry" his engine just because he is unaware of the
filter, its his deposit too  Smile


16E    -- Aug-3-2010 @ 6:49 PM
  With regards to navigation limits for hire craft there used to be limit for hire craft sign opposite the Rising Sun at Coltishall.  It was there until about 2000 or 2001.

Is there still a defined (if unsigned) limit for hire craft on the upper Bure?

Mal
16E

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Karen&Mike    -- Aug-3-2010 @ 6:55 PM
  Indeed MM - that was the point I was trying to make much earlier in this thread - we shouldn't say for sure that it will be all fine and dandy up there. I've seen that rather stoney bottom pretty often! Smile

So, we are not being party poopers are we?

Karen  

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Maurice_Mynah    -- Aug-3-2010 @ 7:10 PM
  We often went up to the lock (taking the right fork) often in Royal Ambassador. never had a depth problem. I don't recollect there being an "end of navigation" sign at the Rising Sun, just a "shallow water" sign on the left fork. I'm absolutely certain that had there been an end of navigation sign, wild horses woul not have been able to get my mother to agree to go passed it

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Karen&Mike    -- Aug-3-2010 @ 7:22 PM
  M_M - there WAS a sign just after the Rising Sun I am certain (I am very obedient when there are any possible financial hits on the pocket!)  but we haven't hired since 2005 so I stopped looking then!

There is still a shallow water sign(s) at the fork and, I recall a sign advising that's the last place to turn, or something similar. That bit of my memory is vague, because at 23' we don't really have to worry much about things like that  Wink  

Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


SailingSloth    -- Aug-3-2010 @ 8:29 PM
  Marshman, the grassy Norfolk Mead moorings are after the fork. The picture is beyond the fork almost as far as the Mead's own little mooring basin.

Upon departure we turned at the basin entrance solely because the overhanging trees were getting worse and 38ft air draft seemed slightly impractical. To arrive at the lock basin with mast lowered could have resulted in turning issues if other boats had been present, so we chickened out. Water depth was not an issue and it was clear enough to proceed carefully with lookout posted.

We have since been up to the lock on the stinkboat and prodded the bottom with boat hook frequently and can confirm adequate depth for most keel-less tubs navigated with appropriate care. Mind you, it had rained a bit over the previous days and nights.

All said, I don't seriously advocate such exploratory excursions with inexperienced crew in a plastic rent-a-tub with prone propellor and intake strainer, it wouldn't be fair on the boatyards.

SS

This message was edited by SailingSloth on Aug-3-10 @ 9:31 PM


Marshman    -- Aug-4-2010 @ 9:40 AM
  Yep SS you are right - the narrow bit begins just about
where that tiny marina is.

When I went up in May sometime, i must admit to being
surprised how shallow it was as previously i had never
encountered a problem - indeed as someone pointed out
Hathor has been up there over the last couple of years.
However I put it down to the lack of water coming over
the weir - if you recall just before you get to the
moorings by the lock there is an overflow stream from
the weir pool itself.

Normally this flows srongly ,often enough to move the
boat as you drift past but it was hardly running at all
this year and I guess it was having an impact. Equally
previosly I have never had a problem turning but as I
did i grounded a few feet from the bank and had to jump
for it to get back on!!

For whatever reason, I did find it a bit"thin" this
year Smile


Paulgolden    -- Aug-4-2010 @ 7:21 PM
  Just noticed this thread. Actually took Diamond Gem (44ft x 12ft Buccaneer ) from Richardsons right up to the Lock last Thursday. Absolutely beautiful spot, no problem at all either turning or cruising , if you can get under Wroxham Bridge , Coltishall Lock should not present any problems.

Paul Golden


BroadAmbition    -- Aug-4-2010 @ 7:55 PM
 

Last Thursday?  Gasp

44 x 12ft   Gasp

Well done you then  Cool Indifference

That kinda puts any doubters into a cocked hat methinks  Smile


Griff

'Broad Ambition' - 'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

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Karen&Mike    -- Aug-4-2010 @ 9:30 PM
  And the draft of that boat is...?

Karen
(not a doubter, just a reporter of actual findings!)

In fact, I'll add a bit more of a P.S. here - I reckon that lots of comments, info, suggestions, photos etc are far far better than one persons "yes do it" or "no, dont". There's no right or wrong answer (or members for that matter) cos it all depends on  a whole set of factors. And I don't think it follows that getting under Wroxham Bridge means you'll make it safely to the lock...

Right, I'll get off my soap box now!

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"

This message was edited by Karen&Mike on Aug-4-10 @ 10:31 PM


lovejoy54    -- Aug-4-2010 @ 9:57 PM
  i cant imagine why experienced boat owners would make comments on how to navigate past the rising sun, the fact is just dont go there !!!

if wishes were horses beggars would ride.
roy haslam


SailingSloth    -- Aug-5-2010 @ 9:17 AM
  This experienced boat owner has great difficulty passing the King's Head....

SS


littlesprite    -- Aug-5-2010 @ 11:04 AM
  I also have trouble passing the Kings Head, and the Ferry Inn, the Bridge Inn, The Lion, well any pub really.

LOL

martin

how can such a sleepy paradise create such passion.


BroadAmbition    -- Aug-5-2010 @ 5:38 PM
 

This experienced owner doesn't have difficulty in passing pubs,

That's cos we rarely pass em and therefore it's not difficult at all  Blush


Griff

'Broad Ambition' - 'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk


ADI    -- Aug-5-2010 @ 8:14 PM
  There were 2 30 odd foot hire cruisers up there last week Tuesday the 27th you can just see the back of one in the foto.

Regards Adi, Michelle and Beck.

missing the broads.


ruby    -- Aug-6-2010 @ 5:07 PM
  Hi

We have kept our small cruiser where the river forks near Horstead mill for the last 6 years. I visit most weeks and from what I have personally seen I estimate that about 100 large hire cruisers venture down to the lock each year. Without fail they all come back . It is shallow and narrow but the pool at the lock gates is wide enough for most boats to turn with care. The left hand fork is so clogged with fallen trees that even small dinghies have to take care.

However the main reason for my post is that the weed infestation in  this bit of the broads  is severe at the moment. Although you can go past the pubs it is currently so overgrown that it is virtually impossible to progress far without clogging your propellor, rudder or outboard.

This week I had to clear our propellor three times in the short distance from the mill junction to the pubs and yesterday I was nearly rammed by a hire boat that had lost all steerage way because of the weed

Ps In my opinion the stretch between the pubs and the lock is one of the prettiest in the whole of the Broads but then I am probably biased  


w-album    -- Jul-4-2011 @ 7:22 PM
  I made it to the lock today with no difficulties. The first time in probably 40-45 years!

7feet under Wroxham which was lower than my aborted previous attempt when the water was drawing out of the shallows as we passed.

Weed had been cut in the centre of the channel to about the junction of the mill and lock and in the section up to the lock very little weed so although less depth no weed.  New  water filter worked a treat!
Beautifully clear and a joy to make it to the lock.  Turned without any difficulty just a bit of mud stirred up.  Current quite gentle whereas last week my 'other' brother canoed up to both the mill and the lock. He couldn't take any photos as he was struggling with very strong currents.

(He also canoed up to Honing Lock and I have to photo to prove it)

Next challenged New Mills

Liz

SG12 most the time but sometimes in NR12!
Winner of the first quiz of 2011 and again on 11.03.11 - more by luck than skill?


ADI    -- Jul-4-2011 @ 10:05 PM
  Well done Liz might try it myself this year.

Regards

Adi, Michelle, Beck and Braydon,
the crew of FERZAN.


BroadAmbition    -- Jul-4-2011 @ 11:12 PM
 
Slightly Off Topic (OK, well a lot then!)


Oh 'Rowlocks'  Mad

Liz, I promised you I'd make you a filter key and I have totally forgotten - It's an age thing you know  Blush

The thing is I can't make you one up here in Donny as I need mine for a template as I no longer have the measurements or technical drawing.

So in the near future when I'm afloat and have a few mins spare, I'll pop round to LBBy, borrow/beg the use of their tools and make you one. Promise.


Griff

'Broad Ambition' - 'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

Forum Manly Swot 30-07-10

www.grifftile.co.uk    DN9


ncsl    -- Jul-5-2011 @ 5:34 AM
  Daphne and I canoed up to the lock last week.
A bit of weed about.
We stopped at the lock and I went the other side for a quick swim.
Lots of kids enjoying the water too.

Lord Paul of Sealand
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w-album    -- Jul-5-2011 @ 6:36 AM
  PM sent to Griff - thanks

Think the water levels were just a bit higher, weed was there but didn't consider it to be a risk.

New filter did collect a bit of the cut bits though but she was going so slow, I could hear the water coming out the exhaust.  Not sure what might be around the rudder or prop though!

Liz

SG12 most the time but sometimes in NR12!
Winner of the first quiz of 2011 and again on 11.03.11 - more by luck than skill?


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