Topic: Bath tub


Pilchard    -- Apr-29-2010 @ 9:35 AM
  I have never owned or hired a bath tub cruiser and have occasionally wondered how difficult they are to handle when doing a stern on mooring as visibility is so restricted.I have owned two boats and hired fourteen times so it should'nt bother me but it does as I am hiring one this August.So,just how difficult are they.
I know I shouldnt be asking this as most people appear to handle them with no problem but I am a just little concerned...Lesley.


newton7    -- Apr-29-2010 @ 9:43 AM
  hello theres realy no need to worry
there very easy boats to control
i often hire 35ft bathtubs on my own
with easy access to and from the large front well
its a doddle to moor
just enjoy........ Smile

ROBBIE
STINKIES UNITED


Lynsey1983    -- Apr-29-2010 @ 9:54 AM
  Hiya Lesley, we have hired bath tubs a few times and have found that if you take it nice and easy there should be no problem at all, we have had a few near misses when my other half has got a bit stressed in the wind, so we have chosen to go with a couple of centre cockpits this year, just till he gets a bit more handling experiance Smile  

Lynsey

Membership Secretary of the Cider Lovers United! Smile
Forum Girly Swat 18/12/2009


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-29-2010 @ 11:34 AM
 

Bathtubs are just what they are referred to as best left for bathing in  tounge-in-cheek


Griff

'Broad Ambition' - 'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

www.grifftile.co.uk


ade    -- Apr-29-2010 @ 11:41 AM
  oh yes, how true is that!! LOL

wood floats, tupperware sinks, simple!
they say you learn by your mistakes, in which case ive had an outstanding education


easyroute    -- Apr-29-2010 @ 11:57 AM
  I remember as a child, my first experience on the broads
I so badly wanted the swanky looking plastic cruiser,
but my father insisted on "Mr Mole" whose charming
wooden narrow boat exterior, hid his own plastic based heart.

I learned to love "Mr.Mole" even though I fell foul of narrow boat life as I kept running along the side and ran out of boat. Much to the amusement of the locals.
Good times  Smile


zacthedog    -- Apr-29-2010 @ 1:10 PM
  Griff and co. Wood should be left to the trees
no these are easy to moor - as easy as mooring is anyway

Gary
1hr 30mins 60mls away
forum girly swot 19/3/2010


newton7    -- Apr-29-2010 @ 5:29 PM
  the thing is like them or loathe
them they provide safe cheap roomy
boating on a budget and have given
many people the chance to try boating
and maybe got them hooked
i hire them for the excellent room in the well
for fishing
sure they are not the best looking boats
but they do whats required....and thats all some folk want Cool Indifference

ROBBIE
STINKIES UNITED


ade    -- Apr-29-2010 @ 9:28 PM
  i hate it when i have to agree with two people who have diametrically opposed thoughts.
bath tubs i don't like, the style is cr*p, but as he
says, they do the job they  were designed for, and do it
fairly well.
so i shall shut up and remain silent for a while mainly
cos i'll be sitting on me hands

wood floats, tupperware sinks, simple!
they say you learn by your mistakes, in which case ive had an outstanding education


Sunchaser    -- Apr-29-2010 @ 9:38 PM
  Think of all those nice things you get in tupperware,
What do you get in wood? BUGS AND WORMS!!!!!!!


JennyMorgan    -- Apr-29-2010 @ 9:39 PM
  There is a thought that 'bath tubs' caused the downturn in Broads boating during the 1980's. The reason being that from the cabin all the occupants saw were miles and miles and yet more miles of reeds, and those customers rarely returned to the Broads. Certainly the bath tubs had the lowest level of re-bookings. Centre or aft cockpits really are more suited to the Broads.

Strangely though, the Hamptons are amazingly popular, despite the reeds factor.

Jenny Morgan,
A vane, a boat, but not a bird.
http://www.broads-society.org.uk/
http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk/index.php
The Broads is The Broads, it is NOT a National Park. Parliament says so!!

This message was edited by JennyMorgan on Apr-29-10 @ 10:42 PM


BroadScot    -- Apr-29-2010 @ 10:14 PM
  As one who cruised the broads in many Aston Centre Cockpits, AJ Acle bath tubs proper handling boats from Summercraft also...ALL have their pluses and minuses!...For me being over 6ft tall a bath tub holiday reduced the risk of a battle scard forehead as good headroom thru-ought, same cant be said for all centre cockpit jobs as the scars can still relate too them lol. You pays your money you have your choice, personally I use to love sitting out in the bow of a tub with dram and tinny at Loddon Staithe before ascending to the local watering holes at night, not to mention the White Horse at Chedgrave!

In defence of Griffs.. Wood thingy they are much better in a cross wind and by all accounts.. frozen rivers too!!! Oh the fun has been had trying keep a bath tub straight-ish in cross winds! All good fun so ALL Enjoy plzzzz! lol Wink

Lower your windscreen!!! Ooops too late!


finny    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 12:08 AM
 
quote:"......
Text Strangely though, the Hamptons are amazingly popular, despite the reeds factor.
......."



although you  more or less get the same level of vision from a bath tub and a Hampton the feeling of openness that you get when the roof is fully back is almost equal to a centre cockpit but just a tad bit lower .i used to regularly stand or sit on the gunwale whilst at the helm - not quite as good as a centre cockpit in terms of a viewing point ,but not as restrictive like some of the bath tubs around .

A great success story for Oulton broad really - i believe Alec made around 269 in total .most of the still seem to be still around which is a quite outstanding considering  time

finny  


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 6:36 AM
 
Easy to moor??

They may well IF you have a crew and/or mirrors screwed onto the cabin sides up Fwd. I mean fancy having to screw 'Wing/door' mirrors on a boat which then are an obstruction when walking on the upper deck. That in itself is a bit of a giveaway as to the available vision of the side/rear avalable to the helmsman.

As for some places on the lower Bure and the southern rivers, best take a few chairs for the roof or invest in a periscope!

Then there is the siting of the engine - onboard and its obtrusive/noisy, under rear deck and your into hydraulic drive and we all know how noisy and uneconomical that system is compared to shaft drive

But they do give good head room, all on a single level, good communal area up Fwd with a good well for fishing from, mind you a good few other boats have large aft well decks that are even better for this


Griff

'Broad Ambition' - 'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

www.grifftile.co.uk


Strowager    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 7:32 AM
  The "Downturn of the Broads" in the 1980's was caused by many things, (cheap flights abroad, severe congestion during the 70's etc.), and I would think the introduction of forward control boats had a very small influence, if any. Smile  

Having used all types, it's undeniable that being in a raised position at the centre of the boat gives the best vision and maneuvering awareness in tight situations.

Forward control boats with an open well at each end still score on other points on the Broads though, or they would not still be so popular:

* Easy and much safer access to foredeck and afterdeck for mooring and mudweighting, fishing etc., due to still being "in" the boat, rather than "on" the deck.

* Much less hassle at bridges, especially during inclement or uncertain weather.

* yes, much "easier to moor", especially for older people, standing "in" the bows or stern, rather than "on" them.  Smile  




This message was edited by Strowager on Apr-30-10 @ 8:35 AM


Pilchard    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 8:13 AM
  Well! Thanks all of you. Now I am more confused than before I asked Confused Smile Lesley


JennyMorgan    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 8:18 AM
  Strowager, obviously I appreciate that there were other factor, not just reeds, that caused the downturn. But the harsh reality of Hoseasons in depth and ongoing market research of the day was that Caribbean type bath tubs had a  poorer re-booking rate than the more traditional, see over the reeds styles.  

Jenny Morgan,
A vane, a boat, but not a bird.
http://www.broads-society.org.uk/
http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk/index.php
The Broads is The Broads, it is NOT a National Park. Parliament says so!!


JennyMorgan    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 8:20 AM
  Lesley, they are easy to handle, except in a howling gale!

Jenny Morgan,
A vane, a boat, but not a bird.
http://www.broads-society.org.uk/
http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk/index.php
The Broads is The Broads, it is NOT a National Park. Parliament says so!!


Sunchaser    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 8:27 AM
  I'm taking a little bit of offence to tha way people are slagging off other peoples boats.
I am a Hampton owner and proud of what i have, the last thing in the world would i do is criticize somebody else's boat, for two of us you could not get anything more practicle.
Excellent for holidays, excellent for hospitality.
If you are sitting in the middle of your boat how can you see behind, you have to turn around.
I have wing mirrors fitted to my rails, which do not interfere with anything when walking around deck.
I can also look in front of me and see the picture in my rear view camera screen.
And when the weather is bad i can sit in a nice heated lounge, not in a flapping tent.

Thats my opinion.

Malcolm

p.s.  Our baby sits up front and she say's that the vision is better for her at the front.


Strowager    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 8:28 AM
  Tricky thing, market research, and trying to make meaningful deductions from statistics....

Maybe the average centre-cockpit hirers were knowledgable and enthusiastic regulars,

and maybe the average Bath Tub Hirers were less consistent "try it once" boaters anyway.

If they were that unpopular, why are there still so many in the fleets ?  Smile  


Sunchaser    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 8:30 AM
  Rear view camera screen.


BroadAmbition    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 8:33 AM
 
Malcolm, From what I've seen on this post no one is/has slagged of anyone's pride and joy and nor should they imho. Just debating/discussing the pro's and con's of a design.

Hamptons - I would personally never put them in the 'Bathtub' class they are unique in a class of there own and for what it's worth I like em and would choose a hampton over a bathtub any day


Griff

'Broad Ambition' - 'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

www.grifftile.co.uk


newton7    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 8:50 AM
  over the many years of hiring
many shaped craft i have turned mostly
to the bathtub.if you stand back and look at the practicality plenty of room..easy access....bridge friendly....good sitting out areas...and as for the wind factor well i see it as a good test of helmsmanship....see all favorable points Scared

ROBBIE
STINKIES UNITED

This message was edited by newton7 on Apr-30-10 @ 9:52 AM


Jillywix    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 9:02 AM
  Well I'll big up the bathtub!  I've raced in Edwardian
River Cruisers, fifty year old punts, and beautiful
white boats.

I've admired friends restored wooden motor boats but I
also know how many weekends and large amounts of money
they've put in trying to maintain their pride of joy.

But I own a bathtub now.  I don't mind looking at reeds
thank you very much - we actually get to see plenty,  
and I find them easy to moor stern on without wing
mirrors.  Tis a little known trick - I open the window
and look out!  :-O   I know, shocking.

Yes they are not wooden beauties, but IMO I also find
centre cockpit plastic cruisers just as ugly!  And
don't start me on those ultra modern fellows!

What I get as a major bonus is plenty of roomy light
cabin space all on one level floor, making it very
flexible and allowing disabled friends to easily enjoy
it.  Maintenance is affordable for us and I quite like
being in something a lot of other people are quick to
judge!

There are plenty of bathtubs still being hired and to
be honest those of you lucky enough with the time and
the money to keep a wooden boat spick and span, good
for you, but us apparent lesser mortals can still enjoy
the water in plastic too! ;-)


Gretzky    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 9:18 AM
  Pilchard, as has been said already open the window and stick your head out, or quite often you will find that in you open up all the interior doors you can see right through to the rear. Once had a bit of a shock following a bath tub down the Bure, they had all the doors open and I could see right through the boat and river in front, then for a second I noticed a boat bearing down on the the tub coming up stream looked really close and I expected all manor of unpleasant things about to take place.... then I realised it was the reflection on my boat in the a mirror on the wall of the aft cabin!


Sunchaser    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 10:42 AM
  Just been to B&Q get the price of featheredge timber to put cladding on side of boat.
Would it be best to nail or screw?

Now going to see those funny people of Norfolk and Suffolk. Playful Wink

See you on the river, good week-end everybody. Smile

Malcolm


finny    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 11:22 AM
  It doesn't take long to get used to any boats character  handling,with regards a bath tub - mainly when stern on mooring,communication from other crew members really helps .i.e having a second pair of eyes on the stern when you are entering that tight mooring spot say like at Ranworth communicating back to the helm.

Also from a safety point of view they have got to be a good  thing for family's with young children in terms of keeping an eye on them more so if you keep the rear door locked whilst underway


finny

This message was edited by finny on Apr-30-10 @ 12:23 PM


Strowager    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 11:57 AM
  The one over-riding factor that makes me prefer forward control boats on the Broads, is the superb view forward.

If the saloon seats are high enough in relation to the front and side windows, (and many are not), then the forward and side view for everyone is excellent, no matter what the weather is like.

Some centre and most stern cockpit cruisers have the drawback of having to look across a long cabin top, which is usually white, and often reflects the sun badly. Also, the seated passengers in the stern cockpit have no forward visibility at all.

I sold my first Broads boat (a Seamaster) after only a couple of months, because I couldn't get used to peering way ahead over the cabin top, and usually through the small windscreen, with the canopy up.

Malcom's "flapping tent" analagy is quite true as well. Virtually all stern cockpit cruisers have folding canopies, which reduce the view considerably for year-round cruising.  By contrast, forward control boats are much less claustrophobic when closed up, and have proper glass windows instead of perspex panels and large areas of opaque canvas.

This message was edited by Strowager on Apr-30-10 @ 1:01 PM


JennyMorgan    -- Apr-30-2010 @ 8:11 PM
  I suspect that the term 'bath tub' originates with the hull shape of the Caribbean cruisers of FW Wilds. I did actually own one, and as a practical Broads boat, unless we wanted a dirty week-end(!), they were excellent. Had we kept it I would have seriously considered a steering position on the aft deck for when the sun shone!



Jenny Morgan,
A vane, a boat, but not a bird.
http://www.broads-society.org.uk/
http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk/index.php
The Broads is The Broads, it is NOT a National Park. Parliament says so!!


A.J.B.    -- May-2-2010 @ 2:49 PM
  I think the bathtub is the grandson of the pleasure wherry. Roughly the same shape, built for the broads, and still very popular.   Smile

Andy


Hylander    -- May-2-2010 @ 3:47 PM
  Well from someone who owns and is extremely proud of their boat that some of you on here would refer to as a bath tub.    

Come on you 'bath tub' owners let us be proud of our boats and do not be put down by members comments on here who should know better.    We cannot all afford flash wooden boats nor want to for that matter.  

Strang world isnt it,  and who said that to own a certain kind of boat was any better than anyone else.

Thats it I have now got the major hump.

M


BroadAmbition    -- May-2-2010 @ 3:57 PM
 
Well you needn't bother getting a major hump at all imho.

The term 'Bathtub' is not derogatory nor intended as in insult or a put down, well most certainly not by me anyway. It is just the nickname/term used for that type of design, the term bathtub has been around for an age and will no doubt continue to be so. I've been on a couple (Although never hired or intend to) Colingy's, Mbird's and B17 - all very nice and good for them. I'm sure they are just as proud of their bathtubs as I am of 'B.A' and quite right too.
It would be a bit boring if we all had centre cockpit woodies. - That would leave nowt to slag off   Evil Grin   tounge-in-cheek


Griff

'Broad Ambition' - 'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

www.grifftile.co.uk


Hylander    -- May-2-2010 @ 4:48 PM
  Fine but what was all that about a bath tub is only good for having a bath in.    Anyroadup, as you say we are all very proud of our boats whatever they are.

Heres to a fine hot summer.

M


Strowager    -- May-2-2010 @ 5:06 PM
  I gave up the battle of constantly maintaining wooden boats many years ago.

So like many others have said on this thread, GRP suits me fine. I also prefer single level cruisers on the Broads, (though the "Bathtub" analogy escapes me). Smile  

If some people still prefer boats made from strips of bio-degradable material requiring regular coatings of paint or varnish to slow the rotting process down, then that's their prerogative.  (Though they do look nice when they are maintained  at someone else's expense and effort.).   Wink  







BroadAmbition    -- May-2-2010 @ 5:32 PM
 

Ee M,  What part exactly of a    tounge-in-cheek    as I originally posted did you not get then??


Griff

'Broad Ambition' - 'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

www.grifftile.co.uk


DanHorner    -- May-2-2010 @ 5:52 PM
  Would now be a good time to promote two rather splendid websites?! Playful Wink

www.fbwilds.horning.org.uk
www.bountyboats.co.uk

Dan

http://www.fbwilds.horning.org.uk (My website on the Caribbean bathtub!)
http://www.dhorner.horning.org.uk (My General Boating Website)


BroadAmbition    -- May-2-2010 @ 8:09 PM
 

Yes!!

Splendid websites, not too sure about the Bathtubs though  Evil Grin   LOL   HUGE tounge-in-cheek and a BIG  Tinhat

Chuffin eck, now I'm right in the poo, just gettin me coat (Again  Blush  )


Griff

'Broad Ambition' - 'Dreams do come true' - Afloat at last 06-10-07

www.grifftile.co.uk


w-album    -- May-2-2010 @ 8:24 PM
  Woodies are Forth Railway Bridges except the FRB now has a type of paint being used that means they don't have to keep painting it!

Now the horn has packed up but new fore cabin curtains in preparation
Liz


zacthedog    -- May-2-2010 @ 8:57 PM
  surely this is getting silly, woodies against bath tubs ! surely the arguments should be between sailies and stinkies ? come on boys and girls we won't win with all this in fighting  boat-sail Exterminate Tinhat tounge-in-cheek

Gary
1hr 30mins 60mls away
forum girly swot 19/3/2010


JennyMorgan    -- May-2-2010 @ 8:58 PM
  Nice one, Dan, the Armitage Shanks Appreciation Society's web site!

Idiosyncratic designs do tend to attract pet names, often used with some degree of affection.

Jenny Morgan,
A vane, a boat, but not a bird.
http://www.broads-society.org.uk/
http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk/index.php
The Broads is The Broads, it is NOT a National Park. Parliament says so!!


DanHorner    -- May-2-2010 @ 9:09 PM
  No problem Jenny.... I mean Peter... I would be very pleased to add a photo of you grinning at the wheel of your bathtub if you would care to forward it to me! Wink

We all like different boats, nothing wrong with that most designs have plusses & minuses... your priorities will determine their appeal.  They are not my favourite boats, but must admit I do quite like them and I am confident if Hoseasons ever did any market research that if we interpreted their findings overall we would find that whilst die hard boat fans may return to other designs more regularly (or at a higher percentage) there would be little doubt the floating caravan/bathtub has done a lot to attract customers onboard for the first time that may not have previously been drawn towards the previous offerings or stereotype (as well as appealing to some more boaty types too of course).  They are a big part of modern boating & have contributed positively (especially) towards todays holiday industry, and long may that continue to be so!  Cheers

All the best

Dan

http://www.fbwilds.horning.org.uk (My website on the Caribbean bathtub!)
http://www.dhorner.horning.org.uk (My General Boating Website)

This message was edited by DanHorner on May-2-10 @ 10:16 PM


JennyMorgan    -- May-2-2010 @ 9:15 PM
  Somewhere, Dan, I have numerous slides of the family onboard, but since I shielded the camera I doubt that there will be many of me!

One of the downsides was that the deck was also about the height of a swan's neck, and more than once an indignant daughter was nibbled by a swan when she sat on the deck that surrounds the forward well!

Jenny Morgan,
A vane, a boat, but not a bird.
http://www.broads-society.org.uk/
http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk/index.php
The Broads is The Broads, it is NOT a National Park. Parliament says so!!


newton7    -- May-3-2010 @ 9:02 AM
  well said dan
i think the hireboat industry
would be no where near what it is today
without the bathtub type boats
i have spent many holidays aboard these versatile
boats and have always had no complaints

ROBBIE
STINKIES UNITED


Pilchard    -- May-3-2010 @ 10:17 AM
  Around these parts my narrow boat is refered to as the sardine can because of its steel hull...Lesley.


zacthedog    -- May-3-2010 @ 1:10 PM
  Pilchard, you pnly have yourself to blame  Playful Wink

Gary
1hr 30mins 60mls away
forum girly swot 19/3/2010


Charlie    -- May-3-2010 @ 5:18 PM
  Now if we really are going to talk bath tubs, they don't get more tub like than Topcrafts, floating washing up bowls.  They even used to have empty ones that you could put your own caravan on.    Evil Grin

Charlie


kentboy    -- May-3-2010 @ 5:39 PM
  Yes Topcrafts bath or caravan boats not the prettiest boats or best handling. But with all that glass a great view of the Broads when moored up and the best bed on a boat. Anyway any boat is better than no boat.

Phil


ade    -- May-3-2010 @ 9:24 PM
  seen a new one of late, it looks like some one has
plonked a plastic porta-cabin on a bathtub hull.  and
very very strange, are the little steps leading up to the
convex roof which can only be there to allow the kids to
slide off into the water, (or at least that's what we saw
going on). me, i'll happily stay with my biodegradable
centre cockpit yacht.

wood floats, tupperware sinks, simple!
they say you learn by your mistakes, in which case ive had an outstanding education


taylorgang    -- May-4-2010 @ 5:09 AM
  Is it ironic that when I opened up this thread for a read the banner advert
up top was for Hot Tubs!!!!

We have always hired one level bath tubs.  Being 6'4' they are fantastic for
me and they get under all the bridges!  Never had any problems handling
them or turning in tight corners but then I have been around boats and
yachts all my life so now how to identify prop walk etc and how to use it
when going astern.

For explanation of prop walk ask a friendly rag and sticky!


Strowager    -- May-4-2010 @ 8:22 AM
  Not too spooky though, "Google Ads Panels" can sense page content by keyword, and put up an appropriate advert, (or so it thinks !)  Smile

Google Ads Panels




This message was edited by Strowager on May-4-10 @ 9:24 AM


JennyMorgan    -- May-4-2010 @ 8:22 AM
  Prop walk, a means of kicking the stern over to one side and avoiding the expense of an unnecessary bow thruster!

Jenny Morgan,
A vane, a boat, but not a bird.
http://www.broads-society.org.uk/
http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk/index.php
The Broads is The Broads, it is NOT a National Park. Parliament says so!!


Strowager    -- May-4-2010 @ 8:38 AM
  ah, if only...      but making use of Prop Walk only gives a Stern Thruster, not a Bow Thruster !  Smile









JennyMorgan    -- May-4-2010 @ 8:46 AM
  Maybe, but what does that matter, the eventual effect is the same, in being able to move a boat sideways.

Jenny Morgan,
A vane, a boat, but not a bird.
http://www.broads-society.org.uk/
http://www.drascombe-association.org.uk/index.php
The Broads is The Broads, it is NOT a National Park. Parliament says so!!


Craig    -- May-4-2010 @ 6:23 PM
  Our bath-tub's even got a bath-tub in it Wink

Craig
http://www.horning.org.uk
http://boats.horning.org.uk
http://broadlandarchive.horning.org.uk
http://www.ThreeRiversRace.org.uk


MotleyCrew    -- May-5-2010 @ 1:54 PM
  We ahave a horizon 35'. We have always called them margerine tubs, I don't like the thought of a tub full of water!

Motley Crew


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