Topic: Broadsedge Marina, Stalham


TomPiper    -- Nov-4-2020 @ 3:54 PM
  Just back from Broadsedge, where I spoke to Dave. He is locking the gates from midnight tonight, until further notice.


Paladine    -- Nov-4-2020 @ 8:42 PM
 
Did he give any reason?

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


Jeremy-Aslan    -- Nov-4-2020 @ 11:32 PM
  So, if someone has their boat in that marina, they are not allowed to 'winterise' it themselves - non-essential activity.

But they can pay a professional to go and do it for them  -  work activity, not possible to do at home.

How does that professional get access to the boat?



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Hylander    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 7:45 AM
  Can you not get in if you had to by the other road that goes along to the other Marina?    Or is that closed off as well now.   I am talking about that awful road or used to be with more pot holes in it that road.

Women dont nag they just
point
things out...



M


Paladine    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 8:18 AM
 
It appears that ‘Dave’ has banned all owners from visiting, so going in by a ‘back door’ wouldn’t be a good idea.

But marinas aren’t on the list of businesses that must close, only businesses that sell or hire boats. I’ve read that he has closed after receiving a communication from the Broads Authority.  Confused

I’m so pleased the owner of my mooring is more reasonable.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


Dykedweller    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 9:27 AM
  From the RYA website:-
Members may be able to access boats for essential checks and maintenance, however, this will need to be agreed with their club/marina/harbour authority, with individuals taking personal responsibility for meeting Government guidance.


Pulse    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 9:45 AM
  Might be interesting to see who is to blame if any of the boats sink ??



Alone1    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 10:41 AM
  "I’ve read that he has closed after receiving a communication from the Broads Authority.  Confused"

A good attempt at stirring it up again. Unlikely that the BA would only communicate with one marina. If they had suggested that to Dave I would expect all marinas to react in the same way or complain loudly about it. Broadsedge run their own business and they decide what happens - whether you agree with the decision or not. You can always vote with your boat and move elsewhere. Tinhat boat-sail

Bob Huppendoun

There would be no life without water!!!


Karen&Mike    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 11:15 AM
  Hang on a minute there  Bob - you quote Pally and say that's a good "attempt"  at stirring it up! ? C'mon - that's unfair. If he says he's read it somehere I have no doubt that he has, and thus it's relevant to the discussion here for him or anyone else to refer to that.

I actually know that the BA has been quoted by a boatyard for justification of their actions earlier this year when implementing more draconian measures .  Yes anyone can vote with their feet. They are are also free to debate/declare/discuss the measures here!

From my perspective , our particular mooring owners have been fair, reasonable, helpful and polite throughout all of this dreadful year, as have another Boat services business we've personally dealt with. I'm sure that helps achieve the results we all want to see.  But others I'm aware of have taken very different actions and their stances will surely impact on their business in the future.

Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


Paladine    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 11:22 AM
 
Alone1, as you appear to be doubting my veracity, I have attached a screen shot of the actual message to which I was referring. I did not suggest that Broadsedge was the only one to have received a communication from the BA.

I think it is important for members to have as much information as possible and I go to great lengths to ensure that my contributions are accurate.



"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


This message was edited by Paladine on Nov-5-20 @ 12:24 PM


Helmsman1946    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 12:18 PM
  BA put the latest advice from DEFRA on their Facebook page Wednesday afternoon You do not have to "join" FB to read it
https://www.facebook.com/BroadsAuthority


stumpy    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 1:06 PM
  I spoke with David yesterday while buying electricity cards - he had phoned 'a top knob' at the B.A. that morning to confirm what to do and was told the close the gates to bertholders. He and his staff will still be there for maintenance and security.

Andy and Kathy (IP11)


Paladine    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 1:20 PM
 
He should have more regard to the legislation than to some 'knob' at the Broads Authority, who really do seem to have lost the plot.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


This message was edited by Paladine on Nov-5-20 @ 2:20 PM


Dzign    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 2:30 PM
  Presumably it's also on their regular site

L


Hylander    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 3:10 PM
  The problem with David is he thinks he is God Almighty.  Always was like that and I assume still is the same.  Big fish in a little puddle.      

Women dont nag they just
point
things out...



M


Marshman    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 3:20 PM
  I am absolutely appalled by this behaviour - if he took his gates off he would not have to lock them!!!!

Whilst I know there are a few places where you can do this, there are many many more where there is no physical security such as gates and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that boats are more prone to theft from these places or more secure in such a compound.

My view would be that its my asset and I want to ensure its safe - to many after a house its many individuals largest asset and they are kidding themselves if they are doing this in the name of security!!!


Karen&Mike    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 3:24 PM
  Well, I've been made aware that Broadsedge were declaring their intention (that the moorings would be locked up from last night ) much earlier this week. So not sure what's going on there as it seems berth holders are getting different messages.

Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


Paladine    -- Nov-5-2020 @ 3:48 PM
 
This is what is on the Broadsedge web site, and it's utter bullsh*t (IMO):

"Following the announcement by the prime minister on Saturday 31st October, from Thursday 5th November until (at least) Wednesday 2nd December new national restrictions for England will be in place.

The government has told us to stay at home and make essential journeys only. Now is not the time to visit the broads.

So as of the 5th of November 2020 Broadsedge marina will be closed for all moorings and visitors.

The gates will be locked and no access will be permitted on to the marina.

All the boats will be checked on regular basis, anything you need to ask please give David a call on 07584341446

Stay Safe!"


"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


warrior    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 10:52 AM
  Sorry, but I do not agree with the remarks regarding Dave at Broadsedge.  I have moored there  for the past 3 years and always found him and his staff to be friendly, amiable and cooperative.  I have no trouble with him locking the gates and closing the marina down  for the duration of the lockdown.
Better safe than sorry!!!  Surely local boat owners can go a month without visiting their boats.  As I live 3 1/2 hours away it is not practical to visit my boat during the winter, so she is always closed down for 5 months.  Yes it is hard, but I live with it!!!
I have also just seen on Facebook that Waterside Marine have also closed  and locked the yard and told all private boat owners NOT to visit or attempt to go on the mooring sight.  So what is the difference between the two?    It seems as if Broadsedge and Waterside Marine are Responsible Marina owners who care about their berth holders  safety and welfare.  But that is all just my honest  opinion.  Smile  

Jason


Dykedweller    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 11:10 AM
  Well said Warrior.


Hylander    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 11:44 AM
  Warrior ,    You have been there 3 years and there are a lot of us who have moored there in the past and I am talking 15 or more years ago when it first opened and David had a boss who was around a lot of the time.  He sadly had ill health.    I know David has not had good health but that doesn't alter the fact that he likes things run his way as if he owns the place.   Bless him.



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Karen&Mike    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 12:05 PM
  I think many are missing the point here, and ignoring the issues raised by simply dismissing everything with  a sweeping "get on with it " response.

It does not follow that any member who raises a query about the rules or disagrees with the actions of some businesses is in any way reckless or selfish about Covid or the rules.

Thus far the discussion was only about Broadsedge because that was all anyone had info about. We know now , thank you, that Waterside have done the same. Doesn't mean however, that it is right.

With reference to Dave, I would ask that we try to avoid personal comments or attacks , and direct our concerns at a business. I personally do not agree with the stance taken by Broadsedge , or Waterside if that's the same , and I feel it's fair enough for me to comment as a fellow river user and boat owner even though I do not moor there. However, as I understand it, Dave is the manager, not the owner of Broadsedge, so he may simply be carrying out instructions rather than making the decisions himself.

Thanks all, Karen  



"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


Paladine    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 12:23 PM
 
I wouldn't expect someone who lives 3 1/2 hrs away from their boat, and who doesn't use it at this time of year anyway, to be concerned about locked marinas. My neighbour can walk to his boat and uses it all year, but he is locked out. That's a different kettle of fish entirely.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


Karen&Mike    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 12:36 PM
  I live that far away Pally, and I am concerned. Not for myself but the principle. And the further example this highlights of the BA interpretations, and the harsh attitudes of businesses in an area where I spend hard earned money.

Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


ruby    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 12:54 PM
  What is particularly ludicrous about the  Waterside decision is that the car park is shared with Latham's which is going to remain open because of their food and garden trade .

Whereas in reality Latham's is currently stocked up for Christmas and will be a honey pot for people buying tinsel,lights and cheapish novelty presents .

A single person on a boat keeping six feet away from anyone or a heaving mass all jostling for the goodies of their choice .

I know which one I think creates the greatest covid risk.

Graham


Paladine    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 1:08 PM
 
Karen&Mike, I do know, and appreciate, that there are people such as you who do not live locally but nevertheless have a passion for the Broads and its care. But it is understandable that someone unaffected by what is going on here might not be concerned. That's simply human nature, unfortunately.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


Paladine    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 1:15 PM
 
ruby, would you please not try to inject any common sense into this discussion!!!

LOL

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


webntweb    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 1:52 PM
  warrior and Dykedweller seem to have missed the main point.
The moorings were locked down immediately thus giving owners no chance to winterize their boats.
November sometimes has consecutive nights of below freezing weather, so if pipes burst causing water damage or worse still sinkings, would the marina be liable?


warrior    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 2:22 PM
  Sorry I disagree with you the lockdown was announced on the Saturday, which gave everyone who moors at Broadsedge almost a week to get up to their boat and winter it as I did.  There  was after all Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.  Broadsedge was not locked down immediately but midnight on Wednesday.   Yes I do live 3 1/2 hours away and I do Winter my boat in Novemeber, and I do travel up to the Marina during the Winter a couple of times, but I stand by my earlier remarks that , and if we all abide by the rules this nasty pandemic will be over that much quicker.  the so called advice from barrack room lawyers does not help.  bring back common sense and we will be ll the better ror it.  Smile

Jason


L'sBelles    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 2:35 PM
  "There  was after all Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday."

What about those of us who have to work for a living and fund our boats?

They effectively had less than 24 hours notice that tomorrow they had to visit their boat to secure it for the next month at least because Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday they would be working!

Seems to me that there are many comfortably off retirees on this forum that keep telling us to think of others. Pots, kettles and a dark colour springs to mind!


Hylander    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 2:35 PM
  I'll raise a glass to Warrior's last post of bring back common sense. Cheers

We were due to go on holiday on the 14th November.   I had previously started to get a few bits together but as soon as I got wind of this lockdown being muted I put them all away again as had a feeling it would be another holiday cancelled.   I can fully understand if you have to work on the days prior to the lockdown on the Wednesday night and it was shame that you could not get to your boat over the previous weekend.  

I am interested to see the results of this testing at Liverpool and wonder what the outcome will be.   I am hoping that it will not be as bad as thought.   In the meantime I am keeping my distance and only going out when necessary.

All of you - look after yourselves.

Amended as what I had written just did not make sense.

Women dont nag they just
point
things out...



M


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warrior    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 2:47 PM
  LsBelles, the Lockdown was announced Saturday Evening so what was wrong with going to your boat on the Sunday, unless of course you had to work. In which case I apologise.  I am a retiree but certainly not a rich one. Smile


Jason


Paladine    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 3:00 PM
 
Before this thread descends into personal abuse, let me make two points.

1. Warrior, barrack room lawyer: "a person who likes to give authoritative-sounding opinions on subjects in which they are not qualified, especially legal matters."

My qualifications to give an opinion on legal matters extend over 3 decades. I would never presume to give legal advice to forum members, but I have substantial experience in interpreting, understanding and implementing legislation, both civil and criminal.

2. L'sBelles, some might describe me as a "comfortably off retiree", but I like to think I take the plight of others seriously.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


This message was edited by Paladine on Nov-6-20 @ 4:01 PM


Hylander    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 3:20 PM
  I dont think the words well off applies once you have a boat of your own,  you just keep shelling out constantly to keep your boat in tip top condition and that is just the basics.

What with Mooring fees, tolls, insurance, and that is before your start with keeping the ruddy thing from freezing its a.se off in the winter.   Fuel isnt cheap now either.   Sleepless nights worrying how much the latest fault is going to cost you.  

Yes boating is fun and it is good to own your own boat, been there bought several T-shirts.   We now hire, when and if Mr Covid every shoves off this mortal coil.



Women dont nag they just
point
things out...



M


Karen&Mike    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 3:27 PM
  Cheers Pally. I get your drift  Wink   ( the post in reply to us directly).

Warrior, just for clarification - I believe that the decision made by Broadsedge was not declared,  or perhaps not even taken,  before  Monday morning. Also, as can be seen from other berth holders comments here,  some were unaware until later. The announcement of the lockdown was made on Saturday evening, yes, but with limited specifics. Luckily for us, we were due in a higher teir from Monday so had already planned the trip. However, getting antifreeze quickly proved a little bit of a problem but we did manage to place an on line order and get it Friday.

Think also about those who would need to fill up with diesel as part of their winterisation , or get a pump out. On a Sunday, on the Broads. Another friend of ours ( Norfolk resident ) headed to a fuel facility usually open , but they had already closed down for the lockdown, days in advance. He therefore had a wasted journey down river in that direction , first thing in the morning, so had to head back past his mooring location and make another similar journey in the opposite direction. Al of that takes time of course and these are the type of challenges that Covid presents , in just trying to get things done. Couple that with work commitments and I think we can see why the complete closure of a marina would in itself present a few challenges.  It's not much good saying staff are checking the boats on regular walks round the moorings is it ? Just means you will know promptly when your boat has sunk    Frown  

Difficult times, and that's without running around trying to avoid every person without a mask, or  maskless kids running around the supermarket  whilst Mummy and Daddy browse ( why take the whole family ?!) and those who clearly have no idea what 1 or 2m actually looks like ( staff included).

Karen



"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"

This message was edited by Karen&Mike on Nov-6-20 @ 4:28 PM


Marshman    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 3:29 PM
  Some clearly need a reminder of the meaning of BOAT - boat owner add a thousand! Smile


Hylander    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 3:54 PM
  Karen looking at the recent Tesco advert I got the distinct impression that only 1 person from the family can go shopping now and definitely not Ma Pa and all of the ankle biters as well.    That is not good.



Women dont nag they just
point
things out...



M


Karen&Mike    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 4:06 PM
  Hehe MM.

Or, as a creative business owner in Norfolk once said to us...

...whenever we are pricing up a marine related job that we just  add BOAT - bung on another thousand (quid!)

Evil Grin  

Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


Paladine    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 4:06 PM
 
I prefer to stick to the advice in the Persil ad, "Keep well away from children."

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


Karen&Mike    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 4:11 PM
  Well Monica they were certainly doing that at the  Skipton branch of the supermarket chain you mention, back in the first lockdown, so if that's the case again now, excellent.

We've just had our shopping delivery from another big chain and that will do us for a good couple of weeks, plus fresh meat and veg from our local butcher and greengrocer.

Will things ever be normal again? Hope so.

Take care, Karen



"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


warrior    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 4:52 PM
  Paladine, what makes you think I was meaning you when I referred to "Barack Room Lawyers"? I was making  a general observation  and not pointing a finger at anyone in particular.  I just think some people try to "muddy the waters" if you will pardon the pun.   I did not realise that you were in the legal profession in any way and thought after a post  that you made  a few years ago regarding the price of red diesel I thought  you were in the oil industry as you seemed so knowledgeable about it. Smile


Jason


Paladine    -- Nov-6-2020 @ 5:21 PM
 
warrior, in reaching the ripe old age that I have, I have acquired many skills and even some expertise. I did work for a large oil company for many years, in a variety of roles, including testing and production. There are many strings to my bow  Wink

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


L'sBelles    -- Nov-7-2020 @ 12:31 AM
  "2. L'sBelles, some might describe me as a "comfortably off retiree", but I like to think I take the plight of others seriously."

Paladine, I am sure you are astute enough to realise this was not directed at you despite falling into the generalised bracket! Smile
Given your analysis of recent legislation I had assumed you were still practising in some legal capacity.



L'sBelles    -- Nov-7-2020 @ 12:43 AM
  "LsBelles, the Lockdown was announced Saturday Evening so what was wrong with going to your boat on the Sunday, unless of course you had to work. In which case I apologise."

No problem! I just wanted to point out that not everyone is in a position to be able to drop everything and arrange what they needed to do with such limited notice.
In fact, until this worldwide crisis struck I was often working overseas for a week or two at a time so I would have required much more advanced notice.
Oh well, one positive to come out of our current situation is that I get to spend more time at home. I tell my wife it is positive anyway! Smile


Chicol    -- Nov-7-2020 @ 11:13 AM
  I love this forum, keeps me amused. Let's have a conspiracy theory thread for a laugh.
Anyway, I moor there and think Dave is a great bloke, and a loverly marina.
But can I have some real advice. Had the boat for 5 years and have never done anything special to it over winter. As it's engine is cooled by sea water, am I surposted to put antifreeze in it somehow?, or do any other stuff to winterise it. It's a mercruiser 5l internal engine .

Chicol


Steve51    -- Nov-7-2020 @ 12:28 PM
  Chicol, the answer to your question is yes. However, as your mate Dave has locked you out of the marina, you won't be able to do it youself. Instead, you and everyone else wanting thier boats winterized will have to pay him to do it.

Now there's a nice little earner.  Smile

Steve. CM1 and NR12


steve    -- Nov-7-2020 @ 12:31 PM
  To keep this thread on topic please,  can you please put your antifreeze question on broads boat owners q&a section please thank you

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


This message was edited by steve on Nov-7-20 @ 2:29 PM


Hylander    -- Nov-7-2020 @ 2:33 PM
  I agree Karen, (  Miss Clipboard that always makes me chuckle) about roll on normality. Look after yourselves.    

I cannot get over this lovely weather.    Has it something to do with the word Lockdown.   Mind you I dont think this Lockdown is anywhere like the first one.    So many cars on the road.





Women dont nag they just
point
things out...



M


annville    -- Nov-7-2020 @ 3:22 PM
  Hi Chicol you need to get at least a gallon or more of antifreeze mixture 15/20% then turn of sea water valve/cock remove strainer then start engine up on just above tickover while pouring in antifreeze  mixture when all has been sucked through then pour a couple of pints 50% mixture in when all gone turn off if you are taking impeller out delete last two pints,  you should ideally change oil and filter before this,  and then remove air filter and tip some RedeX into carburetor while turning engine over ths is to wet the cylinders and valve seats, then replace weed filter after cleaning it if boat is kept on the water keep valve shut and tie a note on steering wheel to this effect if your cutlass bearing drips when moored tighten adjusting nuts to stop this or if it has a grease point pump some grease in then turn one complete turn of prop by hand this often stops water drip if not tighten nuts. John


Karen&Mike    -- Nov-7-2020 @ 5:43 PM
  Chicol,

Got to pick you up on your throwaway comments !

Firstly, not sure what you think bears any resemblance to a conspiracy theory here in this discussion ?  

Secondly, I would hope as a fellow boat owner you would realise that concerns about people's investments and possessions are far from being anything amusing. Thus the concerns here when the BA overstate or misinterpret rules and as a result influence businesses to take over the top actions which directly affect boat owners.

Thirdly, Covid is not amusing for anyone, least of all those who may who has lost a loved one, or a job. And any points raised here are from varying aspects and challenges that this awful virus has wrought upon people from all walks of life. Perhaps if you don't want debate or discussion about all Broads related matters, whatever they maybe, this is not the place for you. Nobody is forced to join. Please  don't take a pop at the forum for allowing views to be aired,  by dismissing those views so flippantly.

Good luck with your winterisation when you are able to carry this out  - I'm assuming this is a job you aim to do at some later point now that your marina is closed?

Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


warrior    -- Nov-9-2020 @ 11:49 AM
  Well said Karen,  I could not have put it better myself.  Covid is not a subject to be frivolous about!!!   Frown

Jason


essexboy    -- Nov-9-2020 @ 8:49 PM
  Could you please ensure that the anti freeze you use is non harmful to aquatic life.

George Sims


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