Topic: lion at thurne


brian69    -- Mar-24-2017 @ 3:00 PM
  hi we are going on the broads in june is the lion pub at thurne still open


imtamping2    -- Mar-24-2017 @ 3:17 PM
  Yes it will be and under new management . Smile


Brian152    -- Mar-24-2017 @ 8:36 PM
  Hi.
Do you know who has taken The Lion over?
Hope it's Rick from The White Horse.
Brian.


Regulo    -- Mar-24-2017 @ 10:17 PM
  Correct! Smile

Regards, Ray.

Whatever happens now, I'm blaming it on Brexit. Everyone else is!


webntweb    -- Mar-25-2017 @ 6:10 PM
  I heard yesterday that they are doing enough work to open for the season and them possibly closing for a period after the main season to bring it up to the standard of their other pub.


pitdiver    -- Apr-8-2017 @ 10:52 AM
  Just seen this on the Norfolk Broads News FB page
Ricky Keenan Malt
18 hrs · Neatishead
It is now OFFICIAL... We are the new owners of the Lion Inn pub at Thurne
Text


Good luck to all involved.

best wishes
PD


avg45    -- Apr-8-2017 @ 5:36 PM
  Its great news that the Lion at Thurne has been taken over by the owners of the White Horse, Neatished. Are they going to spend a bit of money on the moorings in the Dyke as they are in a terrible condition?   Smile



I read somewhere that
drinking was
bad for you, so I have
given up Reading.
Alan


garryn    -- Apr-8-2017 @ 5:43 PM
  I think Rick is trying to get BA to take over the moorings. This will certainly improve them which is good but I hope that doesn't stop BA from trying to get the other moorings around that area

Garry


avg45    -- Apr-20-2017 @ 6:23 PM
  Is there any news on the Lion or the moorings yet?  Wink


I read somewhere that
drinking was
bad for you, so I have
given up Reading.
Alan


steve    -- Apr-20-2017 @ 6:46 PM
  They're hoping to be open for May bank holiday ,

steve and vicky


batrabill    -- Apr-20-2017 @ 6:47 PM
  Workmen in the building. Moorings not being touched yet.

Bill


Dibbler    -- Apr-20-2017 @ 10:12 PM
  ...work on the moorings has been scheduled apparently. Can't do everything at once. Bit of patience needed...then we can support the new owners Smile

Farmer's moorings are sound so...no excuse once the pub is open again...  Cool Indifference  

John


Summer-Breeze    -- May-3-2017 @ 11:01 AM
  I have a lot of time for Rick and think he has done a wonderful job at Neatishead. I do think though he will have to change his model for both pubs. The business model is to only sell real ales and craft ales. Obviously they sell wines as well but Im talking on the beer front. I think this loses a lot of business and have suggested to him it would be a good idea to have one keg bitter say John Smiths and one keg lager say Carling. This is because we know of groups of people that wont go there because one person doesn't like real or craft ale. As the beers change regularly its sometimes difficult to find a beer you like as what you enjoyed last week is no longer available today. Yes you can try before you buy but at busy times this is not always easy.
If a party of six want to go to an Indian restaurant and one doesn't like Indian they can choose something from the English menu to get by. Last time I spoke to Rick he was adamant that he would not change his
policy.

I do wish him every success though and will certainly be an imbiber there.

Its not the destination its the journey that matters

This message was edited by Summer-Breeze on May-3-17 @ 12:05 PM


boat-mad    -- May-3-2017 @ 2:55 PM
  I agree with Summer-Breeze. A standard Lager and a Bitter would be a good idea.  Myself and most of my friends only drink lager and plenty of it. I wish the new owner every success but I would not go to a pub that doesn't serve lager.  

Kind Regards
Alan...
www.mynorfolkbroadsboating.co.uk/


Dilligaf    -- May-3-2017 @ 6:03 PM
  I'm another to agree with the last two sentiments, I usually drink the likes of john smiths or guiness and have found problems finding something I like in the white horse, the last two visits I have ended up on blackshore which I don't mind.
My local does a good few real ales and gets a few camra awards but he won't give a camra discount as it's the lager/guiness/smooth drinkers that keep him in a good living and it's not fair to give a discount to those that tend to nurse a half just to tick a box and moan about it being half a degree too warm/cold, and it's not a youngsters pub by any stretch.

Dave.
Formerly 'LeoMagill'


ADI    -- May-3-2017 @ 7:16 PM
  Here Here I only order lager at pubs too.

Regards

Adrian  Michelle

Beck  Braydon and Mere.


Speleologist    -- May-3-2017 @ 7:52 PM
  Whereas I have some sympathy with the lager and John Smiths drinkers, I have to say that, as a business model, the White Horse seems to be working. It is always busy and vibrant and I suspect has a turnover that does not require them to cater for those additional requirements. They have selected their market and it seems to be working. Whether the same will work in the Lion remains to be seen.h

Robin
www.robin.me.uk
"Posthabui tamen illorum mea seria ludo"


WhisperingReeds    -- May-4-2017 @ 6:13 AM
  For the Lager drinkers, the Samuel Smiths Lager served in the White Horse is excellent and will suit the tastes of the carlsberg/fosters/carling drinkers admirably.

My late father went to school not far from the Sam Smiths brewery and used to order a crate a fortnight specially from the Post Office in Neatishead when it was in what is now the Regency Guesthouse.  He'd have been delighted to find Sam Smiths on tap in his local!

Cheers

John


boat-mad    -- May-4-2017 @ 7:18 AM
  That's good to hear John.  I will have to give Samuel Smiths Lager a try.  I hope it's not too strong  Wink

Kind Regards
Alan...
www.mynorfolkbroadsboating.co.uk/


This message was edited by boat-mad on May-4-17 @ 8:21 AM


Pubman    -- May-4-2017 @ 9:54 AM
  aha the old lager debate strikes again...

I will try to answer this to clear up some points...

we sell 4 lagers at the white horse

samuel smiths organic lager 5.0%
shepherd neame spitfire lager 4.0%
redwell steam lager 4.6%
meantime london lager 4.6%

all of these would be classed as premium products and score highly in class for lagers compared to more readily available products.
The issue i often have is that because people may have not heard of them they think they are not lager. The recent boom in people loving beers like peroni, estrella and czech beers is great but pubs charge a fortune for them on the basis they are 'premium' whereas all you are really paying for is the marketing behind it. The beer we have chosen doesnt rely on big budgets so i can sell them at a better price in comparison.

we did sell john smiths before our refurbishment but owing to the fact we sold so much cask ale there wasn't enough demand for it so we stopped. we will be selling a samuel smith dark mild at thurne when we open but smoothflow beer as a whole is in massive decline.
Guiness, the other swear word in my house! we tried to sell it again initially but it kept going out of date before being sold, we changed to adnams blackshore stout and now sell 3 kegs a week. This is another product that pubs seem to think they can charge over 4 pound a pint when it doesn't cost that much to buy in.

our business model for drink is very similar to our food, we aim to offer something different that you cannot get in the shops so cheap. there is no point me selling fosters at 3/4 quid a pint when you can buy it in the supermarkets at 50p a can.

human nature is to stick to what you know but we like to embrace variety and support english and artisan producers.

i cannot please everyone and for each customer who loves what we do there is one who wants a guiness, chicken nuggets for their kids, carvery and a fruit shoot but there is so many places on the broads that already do that so i offer something different.

hope that explains what we do, rick

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


Summer-Breeze    -- May-4-2017 @ 3:50 PM
  If you can make enough money doing it your way Nick then great its just my visits to you are limited due to other party members saying they don't like real ale. A keg of John Smiths or Fosters will last over 4 weeks so it wouldn't be wasted. I will wager with you that a keg of Fosters would be gone in under a week I will even supply it if you like. I wonder if the real reason is that the opposite is true and you would sell too much of it which would take away sales from the 1 week life of real ales (provided your not blanket covering) and its that that would be wasted. As I always say though if you want to dictate how a pub runs then buy a pub ! You have two somethings right

Its not the destination its the journey that matters


VetChugger    -- May-4-2017 @ 4:22 PM
  I wouldn't worry too much Summerbreeze! There are plenty of alternative "pop" shops for you all to enjoy. Will make my place just that bit closer to the bar when I call!

Trevor


spiderman    -- May-4-2017 @ 4:34 PM
  Pubman  Playful Wink  Cheers Keep up the good work!.


grandpamike    -- May-4-2017 @ 4:42 PM
  Did I hear someone say they'd stock mild? If you're still doing that next time I make it across the channel to Norwich, I'll make an effort to come & try it in various forms:

- straight mild
- mild & bitter
- bitter top
- ginger beer shandy

Good luck with your new venture!

Grandpa Mike


batrabill    -- May-4-2017 @ 5:10 PM
  Each to his own.

We shall be frequenting The Lion. Keep up the good work Pubman

Bill


Dreamer    -- May-4-2017 @ 5:29 PM
  Good of Pubman to give such a detailed response. Once again, The Lion at Thurne will be a good pub to visit. It is a shame the Thurne Mouth and Boundary Farm moorings have gone (quite literally now!) as it was always a nice and easy walk to Thurne from there. Maybe those pontoons will eventually materialise.....................


Dodger65    -- May-4-2017 @ 5:36 PM
  Let's be honest if the Thurne ends up as Google as the netishead pub then what a great pub we are looking at
I can't wait


Keep That Boating Smile
Dodger65


Pubman    -- May-4-2017 @ 6:24 PM
  as mentioned moorings are at a premium but we should ahve our works done shortly to open our side of the dyke and the farmer will keep the other side open for holiday boats also so room for around 30 boats between the two sides.

this forum has shown what i constantly say, we are not for everyone but in this busy broads market place there is room for all business types. my focus has always been on a constant year around trade and to do that I need to not pander to holiday makers only and aim at a wider audience. i was always taught quality and consistency will always bring in custom long term.

stocking a john smiths or carling would never detract from ale sales as those drinkers are completely different. If you are able to try what we sell please do, but dont jusge until you have tried.

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


ADI    -- May-4-2017 @ 7:28 PM
  Hi Pubman thanks for posting, just to clarify what will the closest drink to lager you will be selling at the Lion so I know what to order  Smile

Regards

Adrian  Michelle

Beck  Braydon and Mere.


ADI    -- May-4-2017 @ 7:28 PM
  Hi Pubman thanks for posting, just to clarify what will the closest drink to lager you will be selling at the Lion so I know what to order  Smile

Regards

Adrian  Michelle

Beck  Braydon and Mere.


Jeremy-Aslan    -- May-4-2017 @ 8:48 PM
  Pubman said:   "i was always taught quality and consistency will always bring in custom long term."

What a refreshing comment to hear!  Smile   Whether it be pubs or boatyards, I reckon we need more of that attitude.  So, I may well be putting The Lion on my list of pubs to visit  -  are the moorings in the dyke on the arrangement that it's free if you are eating in the pub?



________________________________________________________
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Pubman    -- May-5-2017 @ 6:09 AM
  "Hi Pubman thanks for posting, just to clarify what will the closest drink to lager you will be selling at the Lion so I know what to order"

oh dear! there will be 5/6 lagers for sale at thurne  so feel free to order any you wish. the most 'sensible' ones will be spitfire lager, sam smiths lager and bitburger pilsner

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


Pubman    -- May-5-2017 @ 6:11 AM
  farmers side £4 overnight and ours will be free but needs repairing first before it can be used (work ongoing). no conditions regarding eating with us but will monitor over the season.
until we get a grip on it we may place a ban on fishing and bbq's on our side though

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


Dilligaf    -- May-5-2017 @ 7:28 AM
 
quote:"......
until we get a grip on it we may place a ban on fishing and bbq's on our side though
......."


Highly advisable on the bbq front, a lot of boats (mostly hire but not all) are very happy to use a pubs mooring and do their own food and drink on the boat instead of using the business that pays for the mooring repairs.
Always annoys the cr*p out of me when I can't moor at a pub I'm going to in till they chuck me out because someones bbq'ing at the moorings.

Dave.
Formerly 'LeoMagill'


Dzign    -- May-5-2017 @ 7:54 AM
  Pubman good luck with your venture will you allow fishing from boats only and  stop fishing from the bank

L


Pubman    -- May-5-2017 @ 8:06 AM
  yes we would allow fishing from boats but hope that all will respect rules of moving lines for navigation as there seems to have been alot of issues lately with people not.
if it was to become a problem we would have to ban until addressed

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


Coriolis    -- May-5-2017 @ 11:49 AM
  I really liked the old White Horse, although concede it wasn't to everyone's taste.

IMHO, Pubman and Team have transformed it into something hugely better, which also won't be to everyone's taste ( althoughsuits me very well indeed.

Pubman's view on what to offer is absolutely on the money for me and have never had such a good choice...as he says if I want factory beer I can get it everywhere else and probably cheaper still in supermarket cans, if that's what floats your boat.

I was never much of a fan of the Thurne Lion, simply because in general the beer was 'ok' rather than memorable, the food 'usually ok', the general ambience was very tired (I had/have no interest in the various discussions on the merits or otherwise of the people who ran the place, in the same way I don't care to be interested in the life history of anyone in any shop I may or may not trade with).

Given Pubman's demonstrated track record in breathing new and vibrant life into a tired establishment I wish him and Team every success with the Lion and look forward to increasing my visits there, especially as my home mooring is in Ludham...a perfect distance for a swift short sail, lunch and home....or maybe stay for a few more  LOL boat-sail


avg45    -- May-5-2017 @ 6:20 PM
  Pubman, can you legally stop anyone fishing from their boat? I am not being awkward I really would like to know for future reference at other moorings  Smile



I read somewhere that
drinking was
bad for you, so I have
given up Reading.
Alan


This message was edited by avg45 on May-5-17 @ 7:22 PM


kfurbank    -- May-5-2017 @ 7:17 PM
  AVG45,

Why couldn't he? His moorings therefore you moor for free on his terms, or you don't!!!

I think The Swan in Horning allows double mooring even though you pay for the mooring. Lots of people don't like the idea of double mooring, but there you have a clear choice, moor and risk being moored against, or don't.

Having said that, I rather suspect the no fishing is more to stop people leaving gaps for fishing, thus meaning less paying boats on the mooring.

Whichever I don't fish, but am really looking forward to visiting The Lion again. It does bother me who I give my money to, and whilst I would have given any new landlord a chance, Rick has a good proven track record and I'm sure The Lion won't disappoint.

Just because The BA make a request, don't automatically assume they have the powers to make such requests!! Keeping a careful eye on an Authority which is making it's own rules.


steffan70    -- May-6-2017 @ 12:18 PM
  I'm really looking forward to visiting the lion and the white horse, my mate and I are avid real ales drinkers, the fun is trying them and finding hidden gems from artisan Brewers.
Rick obviously has a formula that works for him,and im all for it, roll on June ........ Smile


Uncle_Nobby    -- May-6-2017 @ 12:36 PM
  I dropped into the White Horse on the way home on Friday afternoon to deliver some bits and it looked really good.  Lovely floor, and we will be back next weekend to try the food...


Pubman    -- May-9-2017 @ 12:21 PM
  thanks all for the comments, we are trying our best to get this completed so you can all enjoy it over the summer.
we will look at the moorings throughout the season but while we run our side i feel the bans would be sensible until we see how it is used. we really dont wish to charge so hopefully it suits all parties.

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


RichardB    -- May-19-2017 @ 1:30 PM
  A man in pub sayter me, beer at 6 ternight.



This message was edited by RichardB on May-19-17 @ 2:30 PM


Pubman    -- May-26-2017 @ 8:16 AM
  yep we opened last friday night

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


Brian152    -- May-27-2017 @ 4:45 PM
  Wishing you all the best Rick, look forward to seeing you in Aug./Sept.
Brian


Brian152    -- Aug-20-2017 @ 6:17 PM
  Can anyone tell me what the situation is regarding the moorings on the pub side?
Hope to be there beginning of next week.
Brian


aboattime    -- Aug-20-2017 @ 6:49 PM
  The Pub moorings are still as they were.Free to all boats on first come basis,and as far as i know no need to eat at the Lion. We eat there a few months ago and it was very good,its been completely transformed,we were very impressed and they hope to finish the refurbishment during the winter months.

kindest regards

Kevin Cook


SteveDuk    -- Sep-17-2017 @ 3:32 PM
  Can anyone confirm that the Lion will be open 3rd week in October. I'm compiling a list of dog friendly pubs for us to overnight at for our upcoming week and The Lion is quite high on the list Smile


steve    -- Sep-17-2017 @ 3:50 PM
  Pub will be open , know in the winter months there is plans for further decorating

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


Dibbler    -- Sep-17-2017 @ 7:17 PM
  Went to The Lion last Thursday evening. First class food and drink both served with a smile. Thoroughly recommend anyone to visit the place. The team there most certainly seem to have the formula sorted.  Smile

John


Dzign    -- Sep-18-2017 @ 8:25 AM
  We visited the Lion over the August bank holiday and we quite disappointed with the food, we ordered the mushroom soup of the day, this turned into vegetable soup (with apologies and we won't be charging you for the soup) but frankly it looked like a baby food, brown and kinda mushy.
There were two roast dinners available hog roast and beef, fish & chips, burger & chips plus a veggie burger, there was five in our party three had the  burger which was ok and the other 2 people had the two different dinners neither was happy about the food the amount of peas was really huge but one 1" thin carrot cut into 4 quarters roast spuds but no real veg other than peas. they knocked something off the bill as a whole.
The service was excellent, very disappointed with the food, wasn't planning on saying anything on the forum but felt that I should balance it up after the last entry

L


Calixte    -- Sep-19-2017 @ 8:42 AM
  Called in at the Lion on Sunday all six of us plus the dog and what great service we received along with a very nice Sunday roast dinner.
First Class and well done to the staff very friendly and made the children very welcome, looks like some repairs have been carried out to the old mooring as there are a number of new plans been put in but could not spot any mooring rings at the moment.
"well Done The Lion will be back again very soon"
Many thnaks from all our crew Smile

Kindest Regards Mike


VetChugger    -- Sep-19-2017 @ 2:19 PM
  We were unlucky with our visit back end of July. We wandered in around 7.30 - 8pm to be told that there was no food because they had been so busy during the day that the Chef was fed up and slung his hook! Bit careless to lose chefs and it left us with a less than positive impression of the pub and grumbling, starving  stomachs!.

Trevor



This message was edited by VetChugger on Sep-19-17 @ 3:20 PM


pitdiver    -- Sep-29-2017 @ 8:35 PM
  We visited the Lion on Friday 15th September, that was a group of 37 Of us as. This was after spending our worst week on the Northern Broads that anyone could remember.
The food was excellent, the service great and the ambience was superb. This event was our final dinner and prize presentation. It was a great night and we look forward to next year.
Forgot to ask who was it I said hello to at Ludham Bridge and said I was Pitdiver. Whoever it was nice to see you.

best wishes
PD


This message was edited by pitdiver on Sep-30-17 @ 9:39 PM


batrabill    -- Sep-30-2017 @ 6:52 AM
  The Lion is our local so we were thrilled about the new management and the refurb.

I think they had a few teething problems this first season but we ate there this week and they are running a tight ship and the menu is spot on. The beer offering is, and always has been great.

I’d recommend it to anyone.

And the mooring on the Potter side is free.

Bill

This message was edited by batrabill on Sep-30-17 @ 7:53 AM


Summer-Breeze    -- Oct-4-2017 @ 10:34 AM
  For any Fosters / Carling / Carlsberg drinkers, you wont find any here. Instead go for Spitfire Lager its as good as. Great atmosphere when we visited. Saw Evening with Bob band. Brilliant !

Its not the destination its the journey that matters


rads    -- Oct-4-2017 @ 3:05 PM
  Wow, as good as Fosters?

Talk about damned with faint praise!

Smile  

David


Summer-Breeze    -- Oct-15-2017 @ 2:54 PM
  So Rads if someone doesn't drink what you do it has to be rubbish does it?
I brew beer from grain and bitters are very easy to brew. Ask any home brewers how their lager went though and its a different story. Constant low fermenting temperature is only one of the special conditions lagers need.
The White Horse sell quite a few keg beers (non real ale) Its called choice


Its not the destination its the journey that matters

This message was edited by Summer-Breeze on Oct-15-17 @ 4:24 PM


avg45    -- Oct-16-2017 @ 2:29 PM
  We have visited the Lion and the White Horse recently and neither one of them had a Chicken dish on the Menu, is there a shortage of chickens in and around the Broads area as the Wroxham hotel was the same when we visited it not long ago? also  I found it strange that at the White horse i had to order potatoes with the steak and ale pies as they did not come with it and the crust was less than 1/8" thick!!!! Not Impressed  Frown


I read somewhere that
drinking was
bad for you, so I have
given up Reading.
Alan


This message was edited by avg45 on Oct-16-17 @ 3:30 PM


Helmsman1946    -- Oct-16-2017 @ 4:16 PM
  Maybe too many round Norfolk know about chicken processing factories Evil Grin

Peter


Dzign    -- Oct-16-2017 @ 10:55 PM
  Don't even suggest the otte.. sorry "mink" have eaten all the chickens

L


pargeandmarge    -- Oct-17-2017 @ 6:29 PM
  Who would dare? read the forum Geoff has got them on The Corsican Smile
Regards
Marge and Parge


grutter    -- Oct-28-2017 @ 12:27 PM
  I was delighted to visit this pub for the first time since 2002. We have stayed well clear in the past 15 years, watching it get run down and reading horrendous reviews. Although I don't yet feel it has the cosy, warm, 'homely' feel it had when I first visited in the 90s,they  have worked so hard to turn it round in a very short time. The new owners deserve to succeed. Great selection of beers and perfectly decent grub for me and my family (although the food was a bit pricey if I had to criticise). One of the nicest places to moor around there in my opinion, watching the sun go down. We will definitely be back next year and would recommend everyone gives it a try!


daz3210    -- Oct-28-2017 @ 7:35 PM
  We had the misfortune to eat there on Thursday.

Whilst there was a good selection of beers, as has been identified there was no chicken.

We had two kids with us, both of which if all else fails will eat chicken nuggets or chicken strips. Lion had neither.

The other staple kids eat of course is beans, of which there were also none.

OK, I can see the nouveau cuisine idea is maybe what is being aimed for, but what happened to the idea of good pub grub? That is what we as hungry boaters were looking for.

When we mentioned the lack of beans or chicken the answer was that they wished to serve all fresh cooked food. So, chicken must only come out of a freezer. I also refuse to believe the peas were not either frozen or tinned.........

Wocka Wocka Wocka


Summer-Breeze    -- Oct-30-2017 @ 12:31 PM
  Daz. You should look at the owner Nick comments earlier about the model of the pub.
Quote "i cannot please everyone and for each customer who loves what we do there is one who wants a guiness, chicken nuggets for their kids, carvery and a fruit shoot but there is so many places on the broads that already do that so i offer something different."

So don't expect chicken nuggets anytime soon.

Its not the destination its the journey that matters


daz3210    -- Oct-30-2017 @ 7:25 PM
  He may be right that there are many other pubs on the Broads that do this, but not in that locality.

Whether he said that earlier or not, our experience was very disappointing, and I suspect we are not alone.


Wocka Wocka Wocka


daz3210    -- Oct-30-2017 @ 7:26 PM
  I would also add, does a successful business do what they want, regardless of whether they maximise sales, or does the more successful business sell what the punters want?


Wocka Wocka Wocka


avg45    -- Oct-30-2017 @ 7:53 PM
  For good varied menu try the Bridge at Acle.  Good food and friendly staff. Can't say fairer than that and they had chicken on the menu  Smile


I read somewhere that
drinking was
bad for you, so I have
given up Reading.
Alan


Harlequin    -- Oct-30-2017 @ 11:30 PM
  Each landlord, restaurant owner, cafe' owner can surely decide which part of the food spectrum that they want to satisfy. If they try to cover the whole lot it ends up as a mish-mash with no direction, soul or definition.
What is endlessly missed on here is that boaters only cover a relatively small part of a riverside businesses customer base. So like all other eateries they need to build a reputation that will attract the local land based diners of a particular persuasion. They simply cannot cover all bases.  


martinward    -- Oct-31-2017 @ 10:06 AM
  As the expression goes---"Each to their own"-----We had a lovely meal a couple of months ago at The Lion. Whilst I can see that the menu might no suit all tastes , this pub needs to attract customers all year round and become a destination for the local as well as the boating community as has happened at the sister pub in Neatishead.Good luck to them , they are certainly on the right track.

Martin W.


kfurbank    -- Oct-31-2017 @ 10:48 AM
  I went into McDonalds in Norwich the other day and shall not be going back. I was most disappointed to see they had no filet steak with gratin potatoes and green beans. All they seemed to sell was cheap burgers. Don't they realise that not everyone wants cheap fast food thrown together in seconds!!!! I shall definitely do my research before visiting new establishments for the first time.

Just because The BA make a request, don't automatically assume they have the powers to make such requests!! Keeping a careful eye on an Authority which is making it's own rules.


Helmsman1946    -- Oct-31-2017 @ 2:23 PM
  Kfurbank - you may also want to note that the menus are the same in all of their establishments and you are encouraged to order on a screen as you enter.
They are also a profitable business employing many people   Smile

Peter


Dzign    -- Oct-31-2017 @ 2:45 PM
  I won't be ordering food from a screen anytime in the near future... even McDonalds don't do that, do they??
I don't use them so am just guessing, I wonder if the steaks have barcodes on

L


TerryTibbs    -- Oct-31-2017 @ 5:37 PM
  McDonalds most certainly do have screens to order your food on but you can still queue up and order it the old fashioned way, they also do table service now, We are in the 21st Century you know ;-)

Dave  Cheers

Je suis Charlie


Regulo    -- Oct-31-2017 @ 5:47 PM
  Speak for yourself! I like the 20th century, and have every intention of staying there!  Playful Wink

Regards, Ray.

Whatever happens now, I'm blaming it on Brexit. Everyone else is!


TerryTibbs    -- Oct-31-2017 @ 6:00 PM
  TBH there’s many would say I still live in the 19th century!

Dave LOL

Je suis Charlie


steve    -- Oct-31-2017 @ 9:55 PM
  Update of winter times / service at the lion inn

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


Dzign    -- Nov-1-2017 @ 9:31 AM
  Yes I know we are TT.. so we order our food by machine, then sit down to watch your company play with their phones, to much effort to have a conversation when a phone is so much more entertaining and the youngsters are "talking" to each other, hey they are even in the same room...
Some would say there is a lot in this century that's pants ps. that's a 21 cen expression

L


Karen&Mike    -- Nov-1-2017 @ 9:44 AM
  Dzign - yep, gottag agree with you there. Def pants ( as my niece would say!)

"Progress"  isn't always positive, but should we dare to say that, it seems we are glass half empty moaners....  Playful Wink  

Karen

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


TerryTibbs    -- Nov-1-2017 @ 10:11 AM
  Pants is so 2007, you oldies, well all's Gucci in my World.

Dave

Je suis Charlie

This message was edited by TerryTibbs on Nov-1-17 @ 11:12 AM


Karen&Mike    -- Nov-1-2017 @ 10:22 AM
  LOL  LOL  LOL

K.

"Wind up the elastic band Karen - we're setting off!!"


byrongee    -- Nov-1-2017 @ 12:15 PM
  You,re bang on TT. My old bi lingual staffie is named Gucci and learned at an early age that a well behaved dog need not be in fear of a trip to the handbag factory.
      Best wishes,Brian.








nazdar,
byron


Harlequin    -- Nov-1-2017 @ 3:22 PM
 
"Some would say there is a lot in this century that's pants ps. that's a 21 cen expression."

Or is it?


From World Wide Words (April 14, 2001): Referring to "Pants"
"It has been an all-purpose term of disapproval among young people in the UK during the middle to late nineties. It first turned up in print in 1994, in pieces that indicate it was popularised by DJs on the BBC's radio pop channel, Radio 1, most probably by Simon Mayo, though the finger is often pointed at Zoë Ball. By a year or so later, it was very much in vogue among teenagers. In the way of such things, by the time older people picked it up and started using it, it was already a bit passé; its recent very public exposure has almost certainly put paid to its popularity among its younger users."
Smile


Torty    -- Nov-16-2017 @ 5:17 PM
  The East Anglian Cruising Club (EACC) held their Laying Up Supper and Prizegiving at the Lion on 11th November. I think there were around 50 of us there. The food was superb and the service was efficient and friendly. Admittedly they brought in extra staff from the White Horse to help out but this was probably the best meal we have had on the Broads in years.

Now, a pre-booked formal event is no reference point for a casual punter but it demonstrates that they really can produce quality. Menu below:

£24.95 FOR 3 COURSES


SPICED CARROT SOUP & HOMEMADE BREADS
CURED SALMON WITH BEETROOT AND DILL
PRESSED PORK BELLY WITH A WALDORF SALAD
HAM HOCK TERRINE WITH CANDI'S PICCALILLI AND TOASTED HOMEMADE BREAD

•••

BRAISED BEEF SHORT RIB WITH BEEF DRIPPING ROASTED POTATOES & ROASTED CARROTS

PAN ROASTED CHICKEN SUPREME, VARIATIONS OF CARROT & CONFIT LEG ROASTED PUMPKIN GNOCCHI, TOMATO AND HAZELNUT CRUMB

SEAFOOD RISOTTO WITH SAFRON & TEMPURA SHRIMP

•••

CHOCOLATE NEMESIS BROWNIE WITH VANILLA SEED ICE CREAM AND CHOCOLATE SOIL

APPLE AND GINGER CRUMBLE WITH STEM GINGER ICE CREAM & ALMOND CRISP MIXED ICE CREAM
CHEESEBOARD

•••

COFFEE or TEA

More info here:

http://www.ea-cc.org/index.php/social-reports/laying-up-supper

Phil



This message was edited by Torty on Nov-16-17 @ 5:20 PM


Richard    -- Nov-16-2017 @ 6:41 PM
  That looks like a very good menu, at a very reasonable price.

I'll certainly be eating there when I can get some time off.


kfurbank    -- Nov-16-2017 @ 7:19 PM
  I wondered who all the rabble were next door  Evil Grin

We ate of the normal menu on Saturday night. The gammon was excellent, a proper butchers gammon, none of that reconstituted rubbish. An excellent choice of beers and ciders. An excellent night of food and drink, apart from the noise from next door  Playful Wink

This is the second time I have eaten in The Lion this year and I'm glad to say it is now firmly back on the list of places to visit. This trip we honestly couldn't decide to stop at The Lion, or The White Horse at Upton, we wanted to be somewhere in that area due to heading South again the next morning. In the end as we couldn't decide it was the flip of a coin that resolved it.

Just because The BA make a request, don't automatically assume they have the powers to make such requests!! Keeping a careful eye on an Authority which is making it's own rules.


Paladine    -- Nov-16-2017 @ 9:19 PM
 
Was the gammon horseshoe or D-cut?

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


Dykedweller    -- Nov-16-2017 @ 10:03 PM
  Bit technical there Paladine! I prefer a thicker D-cut to a thinner horseshoe.


Paladine    -- Nov-16-2017 @ 10:14 PM
 
Not technical at all  Smile  Most pubs serve up horseshoe gammon, which is usually just like a thick slice of bacon, and very often dry. I've found one pub in Salhouse, and another at Foxton Locks, which dishes up D-cut gammon. Once you've tried D-cut, you'll never go back to horseshoe.

FWIW, Cawdon's butchers in Stalham will serve you D-cut, if you ask for it. Apparently, not many people ask for it   Confused

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


kfurbank    -- Nov-17-2017 @ 12:18 AM
  It was a nice thick and very filling piece of d cut gammon. Very few pubs on The Broads do or have served it, most notably The Lion last weekend, The White Horse Neatishead and The Berney Arms when John and Tracy were tenants.



Just because The BA make a request, don't automatically assume they have the powers to make such requests!! Keeping a careful eye on an Authority which is making it's own rules.


Paladine    -- Nov-17-2017 @ 9:05 AM
 
Thank you. That's good news. I might just have to give it a try  Smile

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


Summer-Breeze    -- Dec-11-2017 @ 11:20 AM
  So seven of us turn up to The Lion at Thurne yesterday (Sun 10th) to enjoy the Christmas Fayre that's been advertised both on posters and on the Lions facebook page. We arrive at 11.45am to be greeted with "sorry we don't open until 12 noon" No problem we can wait 15 mins, and enquire if the fayre is taking place as planned as it seemed very quiet. We were told that the fayre had been cancelled due to "pub problems". We were also told that the pub would close xmas eve and reopen in March 2018.
This seems very strange as that means they lose the lucrative News Years Eve celebrations. They have only recently told us they would only be closing for 2 weeks to upgrade the kitchen

What are "pub problems" ? Could it be that the strict food and drinks policy spoken of on this thread has come back to bite them on the bum?

I understand cancellations happen but even at 6pm yesterday facebook was not updated. We travelled 60 mins round trip for nothing.

If pubs want our support then they must communicate. They are quick to do so when advertising so they should also when cancelling. We will think hard about supporting future ventures there

Edited to add link https://en-gb.facebook.com/events/2002249863354784/

Its not the destination its the journey that matters

This message was edited by Summer-Breeze on Dec-11-17 @ 11:24 AM


TerryTibbs    -- Dec-11-2017 @ 11:57 AM
  There is an update by Kate Gabriel on the 24th November which says event cancelled?????
Does seem a bit of a strange carry on there.

Dave

Je suis Charlie


Summer-Breeze    -- Dec-11-2017 @ 12:22 PM
  They have so many sites its hard to find out whats going on/ There are two facebook ones
https://en-gb.facebook.com/thurnelion/
https://en-gb.facebook.com/The-Lion-Inn-Thurne-570887423013670/

Then they have event pages such as the one I linked to. This is the one where you can say "interested" or "going" etc. Once you say you are going the originator can then contact you direct with any further info etc.

Their main website was  last used 2012 ! http://www.lion-inn-thurne.co.uk/

Dave was this the one you saw https://www.evensi.uk/christmas-fayre-the-lion-at-thurne/236064368. We didn't see this until today, we had been looking at their facebook page.

Very strange


Its not the destination its the journey that matters


TerryTibbs    -- Dec-11-2017 @ 1:21 PM
  I followed the link in your 1st post, it is confusing but I always find it hard to follow the timeline on FB Wink

Dave


Je suis Charlie


batrabill    -- Dec-11-2017 @ 1:36 PM
  The 4 links you have posted are, in order,

New Pub
Old Pub
Old Pub
New pub but dead link

Bill


Helmsman1946    -- Dec-11-2017 @ 2:40 PM
  This is not the only Pub to have out of date websites still open - there is a link from an old FB page to the new.
I suspect the only way to clean up the system is to get an IT expert to clean up the system which may cost.
Maybe Cantley Computers has a fix ???
Some advice to publicans in the Morning Advertiser?
As many (most) businesses claim they get most of their new trade from the internet (and cry if connection is slow) Confused a solution needs to be found.

Peter


Summer-Breeze    -- Dec-11-2017 @ 4:19 PM
  There is a strange anomaly I know of. Friends of ours bought the lease of a pub and started trading. There was already a brilliant website for the pub that the previous owners had made so they contacted them to see if they could take it over. The old tenants wanted stupid money for it so our friends declined and got their own made. The problem was the old site stayed live with the old tenants refusing to take it down. This is perfectly legal unless they seek to damage the new business. It caused lots of problems as some of the reviews on the old site were not favourable
In this instance of The Lion some of these facebook pages and websites could have been hosted by old tenants and its really hard to get them removed.

Its not the destination its the journey that matters


Pubman    -- Dec-27-2017 @ 2:56 PM
  hope this post will help clear up any confusion, feel free to ask any questions i haven't answered

AN OPEN LETTER FROM TEAM LION AT THURNE

Thank you all for the support we have received since our opening in late may. We have now closed for work to commence on finishing the refurbishments ready for us to open for Easter time.
These include secondary toilets, lobby area, new windows, fascias and guttering, staff area, new septic tank, new gas tank, secondary garden space, car park and a few finishing touches internally.
Contrary to rumours we are not closing permanently but at the same time we made the decision to close earlier than planned as it wasn't financially viable to stay open any longer without getting the rest of the work done.
This year has been a tough one with ill health (myself/family/staff), chef crisis after chef crisis, equipment failure, building issues and general poor luck.
We have struggled our way through and have not always been at our best and we apologise to any customers we have let down this year.
We have a clear idea of what we need to do going forward and are already hard at work trying to address all of the areas brought up by various people this year.
This business has been the toughest challenge I have ever undertaken and it has nearly cost me my other pub in the process but we will not be beaten.
Thank you to all of my amazing staff that have worked so hard to get us through.
Hope to see you all next year!

Rick & Staff

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


Dzign    -- Dec-27-2017 @ 3:02 PM
  Good luck and hope the New Year is the start of an upturn in your fortunes

L


aboattime    -- Dec-27-2017 @ 5:01 PM
  Good luck Rick,as far as we are concerned you have done a great job in transforming The Lion.Compared to how it used to be you have already done a first class job, and thats before the next round of work.We look forward to you re opening and your on our list of Must Visit.

kindest regards

Kevin Cook


turnoar    -- Dec-27-2017 @ 5:09 PM
  As liong as you are thure to serve us, we the punters will be thure to beer served.

Puns aside last season is the best the pub has been in my living memory. Never in my booziest dreams did I think I’d be presented with such a delightful array of ales and such good grub from a riverside pub.

If next year is going to be better then I’ll think I’ve left this earth in a demipin and joined all the old crew up high!

2018 thurnewecome


steve    -- Mar-22-2018 @ 9:16 PM
  Update from the lion Facebook page
" We are pleased to confirm we will be reopening on Friday 23rd March @ 6pm with Food & Drinks Available...

Sneak peek pictures below...

Beers are in the cellar, coffee blended and new gins stocked!
Kitchen re-stocked & Pizza oven ready to go!

We haven't finished everything so excuse the building site bits but we have most of the bar and restaurant areas done.

The new toilets and lobby will be finished just after Easter.

All work is scheduled to be finished after Easter and we should be fully clear of work by May day!

We will be open from 12 Noon daily and then launch Breakfast opening during Easter.

Food Served Every Day 12-9PM - Sunday Roasts Available 12-4 on Sundays

Pizza Oven back on the go and takeaway Pizzas available....

Thank you all for bearing with us!"

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


Summer-Breeze    -- Apr-5-2018 @ 9:16 AM
  Did I hear that a pint of real ale is £4.70 ???

Its not the destination its the journey that matters


Paladine    -- Apr-5-2018 @ 3:30 PM
 
HOW MUCH? My daughter lives in a North Yorkshire village, 200 yards from the CAMRA Pub of the Year 2017 (guess where I spent the weekend!). They charge £3 a pint for real ale.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


batrabill    -- Apr-5-2018 @ 3:47 PM
  May be something at that price but was in twice in the last week and paying £3.70 from memory.

Bill


Pubman    -- Apr-6-2018 @ 3:21 PM
  ol' chinese whispers again my friend.

it seems we have had a lot of those so far. all real ale is 3.90 a pint 1.95 a half and we often then have one on as pint of the week at 3.50.

when are own brews are on this summer they will be 3.50/3.60 all of the time.

moorings are £5 overnight on both sides also if anyone needs to know. someone was spouting that we had changed the pricing from £3 to £10 randomly.

rick

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


Paladine    -- Apr-6-2018 @ 6:21 PM
 
Nice to keep the facts straight, Pubman. Thank you.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


Harlequin    -- Apr-6-2018 @ 9:44 PM
  Would that North Yorkshire pub be the George and Dragon at Hudswell, Paladine? If so, good pub.
When in North Yorkshire my most local pub also sells beer from three quid to three forty (choice of six real ales) . However locals (which oddly includes me,  simply because my house there is very close) get a quiet twenty pence discount.
Beer in that part of the world is much cheaper than Norfolk in many pubs. Odd,  as North Yorkshire is a pretty affluent area.



This message was edited by Harlequin on Apr-6-18 @ 10:45 PM


Pubman    -- Apr-7-2018 @ 11:04 AM
  i think i have mentioned it before but beer prices generally are very rarely related to the cost price of the beer being bought in but rather the business rates, wage bill, rent and utilities etc a business must face.

funnily enough i can often buy beer cheaper from northern breweries than beers just down the road.

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


Harlequin    -- Apr-7-2018 @ 10:55 PM
  Things in general seem to be a good deal cheaper in the north. So it does not surprise me that I pay more for my beer in Norfolk than Yorkshire.
In London you can get really good value beer on some side street pubs and pay a fortune from a neighbouring pub on the High street. And they can be just yards apart.


Rebel    -- Apr-8-2018 @ 10:24 AM
  I have given up using the Broads pubs. I keep a supply of beer on board and I am a fairly accomplished cook on two burners and a grill not to mention the bbq.

Its good to find a nice quiet mooring, get the fishing rod out and reach for a couple of tinnies.

Beer prices everywhere have become too silly and I am of the opinion that if Tim Martin can serve reasonable beer and food at reasonable prices so can the rest of the greedy pub chains. Wetherspoons still have to pay business rates and pay the staff and maintain the buildings and he has to pay the shareholders their cut, exactly as the rest of the pub chains.

No wonder pubs are closing, the pub chains are pricing them out of business. There is only so much money in the average working man's pocket to spend on beer. The affluent days of the past are over for the average man/woman. Perhaps some of the rich boat owners on the Broads can afford to pay, after all they have a disposable income to spend on a boat. However I did smile when I read that they were all squealing about the hike in licence fees.

Now you all know why I call myself Rebel. Tinhat  LOL


kfurbank    -- Apr-8-2018 @ 12:24 PM
  So if Tim Martin is such an expert at selling beer and food at reasonable prices, why hasn't he saved any of the riverside pubs desperately in need of investment? Maybe his town centre locations with a huge catchment area drives volume of business, which in turn drives the price of his beer down, and in my honest opinion the quality of both beer and food is not that good anyway.

However why is any of this discussion about pub chains taking place on a thread relating to The Lion, which is owned by a small business consisting of two pubs which is doing its best to offer a good quality product, with a decent variety of beers and ciders.

I had a little chat with Rick the other day (good to meet you) who mentioned that in the parishes directly around The Lion there are 107 parishioners. So apart from the 20 odd weeks of tourist trade during the season there is very little other passing trade for the rest of the year.

Rick is doing lots at this pub and is very busy turning it around. That needs support and not inane crass comments, or wild vicious rumours about prices.

Both The Lion and The White Horse are good establishments and deserve supporting.


Just because The BA make a request, don't automatically assume they have the powers to make such requests!! Keeping a careful eye on an Authority which is making it's own rules.


Nickyboy    -- Apr-8-2018 @ 2:36 PM
  Very well said. Fully support local pubs in my area.


TerryTibbs    -- Apr-8-2018 @ 4:01 PM
  Rates, wages etc????? City centre pub Sheffield the Brown Bear 2 minutes from the Crucible, Sam Smiths Old Brewery bitter £2.60 per pint.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.


TerryTibbs    -- Apr-8-2018 @ 4:09 PM
  Most smaller Breweries get Duty relief from the Customs excise dependant on the volumes they produce, rather than being more expensive than mainline beers, craft beers and small batch real ales should be cheaper.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/excise-notice-226-beer-duty/excise-notice-226-beer-duty--2#small-brewery-beer

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.


Pubman    -- Apr-8-2018 @ 5:59 PM
  that pub mentioned is a sam smiths pub and they historically are dirt cheap, i remember 2 years ago going in the one in peterborough and 5 pints came to less than £10. amazing! they make every product and generally dont serve food. even their pubs in london are that cheap.

the small brewers rate relief extends up to production of 5000hl a year which is the equivalent of 240 9g firkins a week. i can pretty much guarantee most small norfolk breweries get nowhere near that.
the resason most local breweries are more expensive again comes down to production not being high enough, rents of buildings being higher in the area and the main one often is costs in delivering the beer due to such a large geographical area most of them cover.
for example we pay around £14 a firkin in duty, ingredients cost £25 and then labour split over our 2 firkin brew comes in at £20 so my beer i make costs me £59 a firkin yet i can often buy some stuff at £52 from northern breweries.
our rent and utilities work out around £250-300 a day before any staffing costs or cost of sales. generally to wipe our nose we need to take 900 just to break even.
every pub is different with different costs, some have lower rent and higher beer costs. some do food and some do none. some employ loads of young staff (less wages & pension payments) some employ older staff.
i am always happy to answer any questions open and honestly

rick



www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


Harrietbrandon    -- Apr-8-2018 @ 6:33 PM
  Very good points from Rick and kfurbank IMHO
You cannot compare pubs in the city with those on the Broads
A drink in a Broads pub is a very special experience
You can drink a can of Fosters anywhere

HB


TerryTibbs    -- Apr-8-2018 @ 10:33 PM
  Any business that owns only 1 site (which I understand The White Horse was until it took over the Thurne) can claim 100% Business Rate relief so again costs are much less  than the equivalent “chain” pub.  No one under the age of 18 can serve alchohol so employing younger people doesn’t save any costs on wages or pension contributions.
You are right Rick that the Brown Bear is a Sam Smiths pub (hence the Old Brewery Bitter) but you are not right about most Sam Smiths pubs not serving food. Many of them do and the food costs are reasonable as well. You are also right that many of their pubs serve Beer even cheaper as low as £1,80 per pint. Yes they produce (almost all) of therir own production but their delivery costs are the same as everyone elses.
A brewery producing less than 5000 hectoliters per year pay 50% less duty than A brewery Producing over 60000 Hectolitres with a sliding scale between the 2 figures.

Dave


if it is to be it is up to me.


byrongee    -- Apr-9-2018 @ 6:57 AM
  Sam Smiths ....Yorkshire's largest independant brewery...has always prided itself as a brewer of good beer at a very competative price and all of it's pubs are managed houses. They have resisted all take over attempts and continue to provide good value for both food and drink. Some of their pubs may be too small to run a food operation but they are in a minority, e.g. the Brown Bear in Sheffield which has very limited manager's accomodation. I was a regular at the BB in the late sixties/early seventies when Ron and May managed what was a lively,friendly,eclectic mix of humanity which included market trader Harry Benn, bookie Joe Mooney jnr, and Councillor Irvine Patnik. Happy days.

nazdar,
byron


webntweb    -- Apr-9-2018 @ 11:46 AM
  Was in the Jolly Sailors in Whitby in February. Sam Smith's situated right on the quayside. Old Brewery bitter £2 pint. They do very good reasonably priced food upstairs.

Two pubs make up the Old Shambles in Manchester. When I was in last about a year ago Sam Smiths OBB was £2. Next door at the other medieval pub the price was almost £4.


Pubman    -- Apr-9-2018 @ 11:52 AM
  dave, i am normally in full agreement with you but alas this time we differ

"Any business that owns only 1 site (which I understand The White Horse was until it took over the Thurne) can claim 100% Business Rate relief so again costs are much less  than the equivalent “chain” pub."

This point is simply not true. every single business pays business rates. You can however apply for reliefs such as rural rate relief if your business rates figure is low enough and you are the only pub in a parish of a certain amount of people. Both of our pubs are above this figure as the majority are.

"No one under the age of 18 can serve alchohol so employing younger people doesn’t save any costs on wages or pension contributions"

Again this is incorrect in part

https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2007/05/31/Under-18s-can-serve-behind-the-bar

What i was referring to was the employment of people under 25 due to differing minimum wage costs.

Ie. 16-17 = 4.20, 18-20 = 5.90 21-24 = 7.38 25+ = 7.83

and finally the main difference in breweries being bigger is a massive reduction in cost of ingredients. Our hops coast around £4-6 per 100g, once we get upto buying 1kg a time it drops to £3-£5 then once at 10kg it can be as low as £1.50-2. All ingredients follow the same principle.

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


batrabill    -- Apr-9-2018 @ 12:13 PM
  There are some general principles here:

"Use it or lose it"

Pubs in the Broads have a short season. They have to make a living in the season. if we don't go, they won't be there.
This applies to many businesses - I don't care if our wonderful Ludham Butcher is more or less expensive than Tesco. If we don't go there it won't be there. Same goes for Norfolk Marine. If it doesn't get used...

"You can always drink cheaper at home."

But home is what most people come here to get away from.....

Enjoy the fantastic scenery - have a pint!





Bill


Harlequin    -- Apr-9-2018 @ 8:32 PM
  Yep Sam Smiths and "Spoons" pubs are cheap. Both mostly have decent beer. Ideal pubs if they are your sort of establishment.
Generally speaking they are not mine.
I prefer independent, well thought out, well run pubs. When I go out I would rather pay more for my beer in good surroundings and have one less, rather than chase cheapness.
My most local "Spoons" is in a typical large building which is very noisy and feels pretty impersonal. The beer is cheap.
My most local independent pub is old, has atmosphere and you can hear yourself think. The beer is considerably more expensive. As is the food,  but is of better quality.
We are all free to choose what suits us best. There is room for both types,  but it is not worth comparing chalk with cheese.


Jeremy-Aslan    -- Apr-9-2018 @ 9:50 PM
  I've just got my boat back in the water  -  much later in the year than usual.  I'm looking forward to trying the newly revamped Lion.  Like Harlequin, when I go out for a meal I like it to be a 'special' experience,  good food, good beer, good atmosphere.  As a quick pointer, I often find the attention given to the toilets is an indicator of how much care is put into everything else  -  the 'sister' pub to the Lion, the White Horse in Neatishead, has immaculate toilets; the food and service are good, too.

Debating the odd 10p on a pint of beer may pale into insignificance compared with the total cost of a meal and whole evening  -  I'd look at the total value for the experience I have had.  I'd definitely return to the White Horse and hope that I'll put the Lion in the same category, once I've had a chance to have a meal there.

As a point of interest  -  Pubman earlier said that moorings were £5 per night in Thurne dyke  -  is this refundable for those eating in the Lion?


________________________________________________________
'We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty' (HHGG)


Pubman    -- Apr-10-2018 @ 6:51 AM
  afraid the mooring fee is a flat £5 non refundable for stays after 4pm.

this year we are renting the farmers side of the dyke at great expense to ensure it is for the use of holiday makers and not permanent moorings. The only way to get near covering this cost is to charge with no redemption.

rick

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
m


billmaxted    -- Apr-10-2018 @ 2:00 PM
  Good for you, did not know that not just Holiday Makers I suspect but visiting private owners as well Smile

Bill...(The Ancient Mardler)


Helmsman1946    -- Apr-10-2018 @ 3:35 PM
  Hope the North has been as busy as the South - Reedham has been almost full most nights since Easter Doubling up to get to the electric points though

Peter


TerryTibbs    -- Apr-10-2018 @ 6:26 PM
  Pubman, I own 2 pubs in Derbyshire which are let to indivual Tennants and run as Individual Business’s both get 100% businesss rate relief. I believe that if the rateable value of the property is below £12000 then you are entitled to 100% business rate relief there is then a sliding scale of reduction up to a rateable value of £15000 at which point full business rates are payable. In your case owning and operating 2 sites, you could still get business rate relief if the total rateable value of both properties is less than £20000.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.


Pubman    -- Apr-10-2018 @ 7:49 PM
  dave,

in norfolk under both north norfolk and gt yarmouth it is the same that if rates are below 12500 in a parish of less than 3000 people as only pub you would get full rural rate relief so no rates. lion is rated at 13500 at the moment and the white horse 42000 so no relief whatsoever. the system is a joke at times.
for me dual or single property makes no difference.

rick

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
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grutter    -- Apr-14-2018 @ 5:00 PM
  I would urge anyone that visits this part of the broads to go to The Lion and support this pub. My family went back there for the first time in about 16 years in October (we returned this week) and the new owner and his enthusiastic staff deserve support to make this work. In my opinion, it has by far the best range of beers on the broads - most that you will not see in other broads pubs. It must have cost a fortune to refurb this pub after seeing it go down the tubes in the past 20 years and I know there is lots more still to do (they even have a 'to do list' blackboard above the fireplace!) We loved the atmosphere, the staff are extremely welcoming and the view from Thurne Dyke is one of my favourites on the broads (just a shame there was no sun this week). It's a shame the mooring fee of £5 isn't refundable, but understandable given the owner is working to build custom back up again and it's got to start somewhere. Taking over mooring from the farm is a good start. I still think the food is overpriced for what it is, although appreciate they are trying to be different. There has been a lovely atmosphere both times we've visited - I just wish they'd turn the lights up a bit in the dining room!!

As I said - make sure you visit this pub and do everything you can to support it. In the current pub climate, it's a gamble sinking this much money into what was a run-down pub, so it deserves to attract custom for what it's trying to achieve. I hope locals are doing their bit too.



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Torty    -- Apr-24-2018 @ 10:46 AM
  Last Sunday Horning Sailing Club had a downriver race to Thurne, getting to the pub at about midday. Unfortunately they hadn't warned the pub that they might be hit by a lot of orders. No-one blinked an eye. The staff changed up a gear and cheerful and efficient service made sure everyone could eat and drink well in time for the start of the race back to Thurne.

I hope there will be better communication in future!!

Great to have a reliable, quality pub at the end of Thurne Dyke.

Phil


Nickyboy    -- May-6-2018 @ 6:02 PM
  Support my local pub, what a joke! especially as advertised on website and forums that open all Bank Holiday weekend for breakfast.

Was Really looking forward to popping down there this morning, left at 8.30am got a good mooring, walked down with dogs. Pub sign outside saying breakfast from 9am-12. Doors open.

NO Breakfast - “ sorry but kitchens having a test, come back  Tomorrow!

How long does it really take to post an update on a website?

Really not on. So took my custom elsewhere, hope the 10 others that followed me to the lion from the boats also found food and refreshments.

I was also going to go to Lunch today  in Neatishead, well that also got scrubbed, my customs gone.  




Forresters    -- May-6-2018 @ 8:13 PM
  I have to say with respect there must be more to this scenario.  Given the manner in which the sailing club were accommodated this lack of communication seems out of kilter.

I'm not sure any business would schedule a routine test on a bank holiday which took out service.  It must have been unforeseen and causing a bit of angst.

As seen earlier in this topic the owners will be along when time allows to offer an explanation

The pace of life down there
suits us


VetChugger    -- May-6-2018 @ 10:58 PM
  Things like this are happening a few times too often for it to be simply unfortunate circumstances.
We were turned away when seeking food and offered takeaway menus who would deliver locally. Same holiday we tried again and were told "we don't have a chef". Supposedly departed in a huff so no food that time either. Problem being is that there is no alternative nearby!

Trevor


Jeremy-Aslan    -- May-7-2018 @ 1:47 PM
  We visited on Saturday evening for a meal in The Lion, and I will try and give my impressions in a clear manner, attempting to avoid unhelpful criticism; but perhaps my comments may be useful as pointers for areas to improve.

Firstly, overall impression :  Good.  The food was good, the staff were friendly, the drinks were fine, even the toilets were immaculate.  However, it would not rate as 'perfect', or in quite the same category as a visit to the sister establishment in Neatishead last season.

Soon after we moored in Thurne dyke  -  decent bank but mooring rings rather lacking  -  we went into the pub to book a table, being told it was a good plan as they were getting full.  We confirmed the arrangement for mooring fees; I can only begin to imagine the complex economics of running a pub & moorings, but personally I find the lack of discount for those eating in the pub to be negative.  And we didn't even get a discount for a boat named after a Lion Smile   A small point - the mooring voucher appeared to be printed on an ink-jet printer, so when we put it in our boat's window, the condensation overnight made all the ink run(!)

When we returned, the staff seemed pretty busy, and it was hard to catch their attention.  The same lady we had spoken to before confirmed that yes, we had a table  -  but it was not actually available.  Fortunately, another one was found for us.  The main dining area was clearly newly-refurbished, and looked very nice indeed, but it was a bit of an echo-chamber.  Sometimes it was hard to hold a quiet conversation over the sound of the other diners  -  who were not being inappropriately noisy, just in very good humour.  Perhaps some sound absorption panels could be fitted?  Or maybe floor-standing panels to break up the space?

The choice of beers and ciders was very extensive, but I was not familiar with most of them.  I saw one called 'Dark Star', and asked if it was a dark ale (a type I particularly enjoy).  I was told that it was, so had a pint;  it was quite pleasant, but I would describe it as much closer to 'golden' than 'dark', it certainly did not have the deep taste I associate with dark ales.

We ordered our food, being advised that there was a 40 minute wait because they were busy  -  but it was a sunny bank holiday weekend, what did they expect?  And the restaurant area was not full, although quite a few people were eating outside;  obviously, staff are expensive, but I would hope to see enough to cope with full capacity on a summer weekend.

Sooner than expected, after half an hour our food arrived; and as noted before, it was good.  Tasty, well presented, hot, plentiful  -  what more could you ask for?

So, overall, I think this is a good start, but with room for improvement.  Maybe I should have waited longer before trying the place, to let things 'settle in' and little niggles to be ironed out, perhaps.  
Would I return?  Maybe.




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Pubman    -- May-8-2018 @ 12:07 PM
  hi all, as mentioned i always appear to stand before the firing squad ie. the forum.

this weekend's breakfast started so well on the friday and saturday but a meat delivery not coming in buggered up sunday morning for half of the service.

I apologise profusely about this and am attempting to find out which bright spark told people it was a 'test'. No test whatsoever, it was as simple as the meat didn't arrive until later.

as for the comments regarding it happening before i believe i posted maybe on this thread or another that last year was a nightmare with chefs walking out as too busy for them and the issues with recruiting agency that let us down. this year we have had a chef have a minor stroke and one other go on long term sick with cancer.

this year it is still difficult to recruit (we have had 24 no shows to interviews so far).

on a brighter note though this weekend with a skeleton staff and me in the kitchen on the pizza oven we broke our daily takings record, food takings record and amount of covers in a day. every single person who wanted food got served apart from the breakfast debacle.

in relation to some of the visit points raised, firstly thank you for the constructive feedback.
We hope to always be a slightly different proposition to our sister pub as to keep things interesting.
Curtains are awaiting delivery along with room dividers and rugs for dining room. new toilets are around 4 weeks away alongside the lobby entrance.

further garden works to be done and extra benches added along with landscaping.

apologies for the confusion regarding the 'dark' beer, dark star is a renowned pal ale brewery and the partridge on is a light copper bitter.
we are trying to work on staff knowledge more but as i have been stuck in the kitchen it has been a challenge.
the staffing we had in over the weekend was everyone we had available other wise we would have had around another 3-4 on the front and 2 more in the kitchen. as soon as we can find some more they will be working!

thanks for all the feedback good and bad and we move on trying to improve....Rick  



www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
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batrabill    -- May-8-2018 @ 12:36 PM
  Pubman,

Everyone we know here in Ludham is totally on your side. We love to come up by boat and were there over the weekend.

We can see you still have work to do, but we know what you can do having been to the White Horse numerous times.

To everyone else, The Lion is a great pub, please visit. The Beer is great, the food is great, Thurne Dyke is one of the most beautiful spots on the Broads, and there is plenty of mooring.

Bill


VetChugger    -- May-8-2018 @ 1:26 PM
  I don't doubt Rick's good intentions and also readily accept that recruitment can be very problematical in the pub/catering trade. It has never been the best paid work and is never likely to be. I also admire the quality of work and thought that has gone into and is going into The Lion.
My problem, and, I am sure others, is that we live a long way from The Broads and each visit is special. In planning a holiday you read up and look for possibilities. Everything suggests that The Lion should be a must call and, therefore, goes onto the itinerary.
Having maybe two, three if very lucky holidays on The Broads in a year, imagine the disappointment of a visit like we had to the Lion. Its not as though we can call back again next week when Harry the chef is better! If that were possible an occasional failure would not be such a disappointment!

Trevor


martinward    -- May-8-2018 @ 1:50 PM
  We called in last summer and again 10 days ago and were happy with the food and service on both occasions.
To bring this business into the 21st century has been a major challenge and expense  for Rick and the team and we have the utmost admiration for him saving this iconic pub after the previous tenant had evidently not been prepared to invest in the business for far too long.

Martin W.


Exile    -- May-8-2018 @ 2:21 PM
  I have long argued that there should be no "reviews" section on the Forum. Basically because all they ultimately achieve is to damage local businesses.
That Pubman feels that he is forced to stand in front of a forum firing squad pretty much says it all. The transformation of the White Horse shows exactly where the Lion will end up. It will take time for sure and if any individuals are not happy to go there in the transformation period, there is a very simple answer. Wait until it is finished!
I for one am extremely grateful when a knowledgeable landlord takes over, invests heavily, and transforms an iffy pub. And in my opinion they do not come much more iffy than the Lion in the last decade or two. So I think that encouraging and supporting rather than back biting is the way forward in such circumstances.
We, the customers, all know a long list of other Broadland pubs that have shut over the years. IMHO we should get right behind those that remain.



aboattime    -- May-8-2018 @ 3:07 PM
  Exile, well said, i couldnt agree more. If The Lion went the broads would be the worse for it  Cheers

kindest regards

Kevin Cook


Nickyboy    -- May-8-2018 @ 5:56 PM
  Pubman, the young girl who stuck the sign out at 9am was the girl who told ke the kitchen was having a test rather than the meat delivery hadnt arrived.

If i was told no meat, i would have had tea and toast instead.

As for no reviews, suggest this forum shuts up shop then.

If im waiting till the pubs finished and fully staffed to get a breakfast when it was advertised as “breakfast every day over bank hols” i will try again later next bank hol weekend.


steve    -- May-8-2018 @ 6:03 PM
  Pubman , thank you for taking time to bring us upto date with what's going on with the lion and explaining about the recent small running problems , hope you do put the member of staff right with the problem this weekend,

steve and vicky
( apparently a moaner)


daviddownunder    -- May-9-2018 @ 1:40 AM
  Talk about comming a long way?

We will be comming a long way, visiting in July, we are looking forward to it, and leaving with a positive outlook!

Regards
Dave Downunder


Dzign    -- May-9-2018 @ 8:11 AM
  "And in my opinion they do not come much more iffy than the Lion in the last decade or two"
Review?

L


Harlequin    -- May-9-2018 @ 11:41 PM
  Not a review. More a historical comment.
Nothing that is said now can have any effect, for good or ill, on something that no longer exists. The past decade or two are done and dusted. The lion has started a new chapter. Hopefully a better one.


Nickyboy    -- May-10-2018 @ 7:24 AM
  Are you guys all afraid of exile or something, as you seem to be pandering to his comment about no reviews of any local busineeses.

Whats next no oppinion on anything on this firum in case it upsets him


Dzign    -- May-10-2018 @ 8:11 AM
  Not at all why would I be!!! I think people should put their findings on this site. I slated the pub at Ranworth for the disgraceful way they treated us a few years ago, haven't been back since....
If you get really sh**ty service you should let others know


L


kfurbank    -- May-10-2018 @ 8:36 AM
  Quote "If you get really sh**ty service you should let others know"

In my view only really useful if you let others know EVERY time you get good service. Otherwise a reviews section with just a bunch of whingers trying to ruin a business for one bad experience is pointless. One of the reasons I don't use the reviews section and prefer to go and see for myself. These days the only thing bad reviews do, is help me to form an opinion about the reviewer. I prefer to visit and experience for myself if a business is good or not.

Just because The BA make a request, don't automatically assume they have the powers to make such requests!! Keeping a careful eye on an Authority which is making it's own rules.


martinward    -- May-10-2018 @ 8:46 AM
  I agree.Somebody could write a  bad review say on Trip Advisor and that could do sudstantial harm to that business. What they should have done if there was a problem was to speak to the business when they were there to try to get it resolved there and then.
It is all to easy to write these reviews after the event but why not try to get the problem resolved at the time.

Martin W.


Paladine    -- May-10-2018 @ 10:00 AM
 
Reviews of this type are, at best, subjective and at worst, malicious. It is generally impossible to know which is which, without having a very good knowledge of the reviewer and their standards.

The businesses are run by fallible human beings, who, like all of us, can and do make mistakes. I tend to measure a business, not on what mistakes it makes, but how it deals with them.

Pubman is clearly trying to do the best he can and is taking criticisms on board. I would have preferred any complaints to have been put to him directly and then (perhaps) a report on here from the complainant giving the full story, if warranted.

There is one eatery in North Norfolk that I like to frequent, even though it is a 20 mile drive to get there. Mrs P and I travelled there a couple of months ago, eagerly anticipating our meal, to find the place was closed for decoration. We were greatly disappointed, but we've been back since, and will go again today. These things happen in life and the place is worth going back to.

Re The Lion, I went there many years ago and never went back, because of the poor service, grubby appearance, and the attitude of the licensee. That has all changed now. New licensee, refurbished premises. I haven't been since the changeover, but the reasons are purely related to MY choices and nothing to do with whether the pub is good or bad.

Nickyboy, you said you didn't go to the sister pub in Neatishead, because of your experience at the Lion. Why had you chosen to go to the Neatishead pub for lunch? Presumably, because you've been before and got good food and service. Aren't you in danger of cutting off your nose...?



"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
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Cambridgecabby2    -- May-10-2018 @ 1:22 PM
  As a former licencee myself I can only add to what others have said before , any establishment occasionally is let down by suppliers and staff alike , what I find refreshing is that the management of the White Lion doesn’t duck down below the parapet but comes on here , a public forum, and addresses the matter in a frank and open manner for that Rick you have my respect .
I have frequented both the White Horse and White Lion on numerous occasions since their respective make overs and agree they are not the cheapest but you do get what you pay for , fresh excellent food and well kept real ales .
If you want cheap try the burger van opposite Latham’s


Nickyboy    -- May-10-2018 @ 6:57 PM
  Paladine,

I went to the lion to support my local pub, i my oppinion you should try and support all local businesses, especially as they were advertising breakfast over whole bank hol weekend, had a great meal there two days earlier, and organised my whole day sun around this.  however i also believe its a two way street, and wouldve taken Ricks staff 2 mins to update the website on the kitchen “test” that turned into “no meat delivery”

I was then going to White Horse in Neatishead for lunch (3 hrs up river from Thurne) as i had good feedback on the pub and also Rick from a resident on the river in Neatishead, as i was looking to purchase that property and wanted to see for myself new possible local pub.

My custom for eating out is only £100 a week, but no way was i going to give Rick my money that day, as i couldnt be sure the “tests” impacted  both pubs.

Hope that explains, and agree re checking yourself on all establishments and make your own mind up.

However i will continue looking at this forum and others for reviews/ oppinion on local pubs and all other subjects, including their own websites (my wife gave immediate feedback to ricks website and also received reply same day) and will like others make my mind up from various viewpoints.

I still think and believe these forums are for all oppinion and any curtail of “reviews” as may hurt local business is a very wrong step to make.

Nick




Paladine    -- May-10-2018 @ 7:14 PM
 
"I still think and believe these forums are for all oppinion and any curtail of “reviews” as may hurt local business is a very wrong step to make."

While Richard, this forum's owner, permits reviews to be posted, there will be no curtailment of "reviews". By the same token, there is no restriction on members posting their opinions, either on such reviews or the practice of posting reviews.

Marmite comes into mind.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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Alone1    -- May-10-2018 @ 8:35 PM
  I have been in twice in the last month. Beer excellent with a taster if not sure what to choose. Food equally good and plentiful. Service good and friendly. Rick had time for a chat which was good. Decor and furnishings pleasant. We know there are some items to finish but i would rather they took some time and did not bust the bank by spending loads to finish it in a hurry. I really hope Rick and the backers get the support from the locals to stay open in the winter. Having said that if it means only opening from Easter to end October and the pub survives then so be it. Great place and I will be in as often as possible. Smile  boat-sail

Bob Huppendoun

There would be no life without water!!!


Exile    -- May-11-2018 @ 1:48 PM
  Kfurbank's last post on here sums it up perfectly IMO.

Nickyboy. I cannot imagine why anyone would be scared of me. Rather the lack of criticism of my view is far more likely to be that many people agree with it.
A bunch of amateur, would be critics, add little to the general sum of knowledge concerning local businesses.
There is one pub in the area that pretty much gets universal rave reviews. I have been in their kitchen on a couple of occasions and certainly would not eat there. However, who am I to name and shame? For all I know those standards may be similar to all Broads pubs whose kitchens I have not entered. Not being a professional it may simply be that I am OCD about cleanliness beyond normal requirements.
Occasionally s**t happens and things go wrong. We have to live with that and not let it affect our day, especially when on holiday.

In my view it is better to leave reviews well alone. Visit places yourself and make up your own mind. Then decide whether to make future visits or not.

Incidentally, I will be at the Lion this weekend. I am looking forward to seeing how things are progressing.


Paladine    -- May-11-2018 @ 2:04 PM
 
"Incidentally, I will be at the Lion this weekend. I am looking forward to seeing how things are progressing."

You will let us know, won't you   Smile

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


Exile    -- May-11-2018 @ 2:31 PM
  In triplicate, Paladine! Smile


Dibbler    -- May-12-2018 @ 9:07 AM
  Take as you find is my preferred method. Visited the Lion twice this last week. Warm welcome both times from first-rate staff...great food and drink in pleasant surroundings. Can’t ask for more.

Massive amount of work already done with more in the pipeline.

John


billmaxted    -- May-13-2018 @ 9:08 AM
  The comment about being open all year got me thinking.  Obviously staffing levels during the summer are likely to have to be set higher but I’m not sure that enough account is taken of the different nature of customers, in the ‘out of high season’ period.  When I was down in Surrey there was a village pub close to the canal which boosted their summer trade by going up market, they did it very well and made good money but come September it was a disaster.  Their clients then were locals, fishermen and folk taking a break from working on boats.  They were not well dressed perhaps a bit mucky and unable to pay fancy prices. The pub survived by the skin of their teeth by ditching the table cloths, bringing back some of the old furniture, lifting the expensive rugs and going  for a basic menu of soups, stews, crusty bread and solid hot pies and puds.  A totally different atmosphere and very relaxed, so, their customers were at ease.  The fact that they stayed open all year round helped the cash flow and built up loyalty.  That was an independent freehouse, I suspect that pub chains might not take the same view.  With Higher numbers of private owners these days on the Broads, it might be worth thinking about up here.  

Bill...(The Ancient Mardler)


TerryTibbs    -- May-13-2018 @ 5:28 PM
  “is all to easy to write these reviews after the event but why not try to get the problem resolved at the time.“

Simple answer to that, most seving staff recieve no training in how to deal with complaints and most businesses fail to have a fixed policy for dealing with them or investigating them to ensure they dont re-occur. The majority of complaints recieve the stock answer “sorry about that” and if your lucky an “I’ll tell the Chef” very rarely  does a member of the management get involved other than to tell the server to offer them ‘a free sweet’  
I am not in anyway suggesting this is the case at either the White Horse or the Lion but it is the widespread reality in the lower/middle level of the catering industry in this country

I’m a regular reviewer on Trip Advisor and other places and try to make my reviews reflective of my experience and are based on many things including price and service as well as quality of food, a good £10 steak would get a better review from me than a good £30 steak purely because it’s better value for money and that is an important factor. Well over 90% of my reviews are positive even if they contain some negative points. I read others reviews on TA etc but do not base my decision to try on 1 review but read as many as I can so that I get a balanced view, it’s obvious from reading other reviews from the same author if they are genuine or not and if the are setting out to damage a particular business, the majority of the really vindictive reviews are from reviewers who have never or rarely posted before.

It’s been said on here that a bad review can damage a business, that’s ridiculous but several bad reviews over a period of time could but generally that’s because the bad reviews are deserved.
Unwarrented good reviews can do just as much damage to the business as bad reviews can as they raise the expectations of potential customers to unrealistic levels and when those expectations aren’t met the customer is left with a bad opinion.

Finally Ive got to say that Pubmans attitude to facing trial by Forum on here surprises me, his establishments have recieved fantastic backing and exposure from this site and the positive comments have by far outweighed the negative comments, so it’s appears to be fine to praise but God help you if you have the temerity to post a negative comment.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.


VetChugger    -- May-13-2018 @ 11:15 PM
  I think that is one of the most objective and realistic posts I've read on here. Should be compulsory reading before anyone posts on a thread such as this. Well said Sir!


Trevor


Dzign    -- May-14-2018 @ 9:08 AM
  Seconded

L


Paladine    -- May-16-2018 @ 10:17 AM
 
I’ve watched this thread develop with interest. As a local, I’m always on the look-out for somewhere for a nice lunch. I find that many of the Broads pubs cater for the one-off holiday trade and aren’t too interested in building up a local fan base. If that business model works, so well and good, but it means I have to travel further to find somewhere that suits my tastes.

Many of the posts have concentrated on the variety and quality of the beers on offer. Not being much of a beer drinker, that is of no concern to me in my choice of venue. I go to eat, rather than drink.

All this chat rather piqued my interest, so Mrs P and I drove down to Thurne yesterday, for lunch. No, this isn’t going to be a review, we didn’t stay for a meal. We had no complaints about the pub or the staff, but, for our taste, skinny fries and skin-on fries are no substitute for ‘proper’ chips. So we won’t be adding the Lion to our (short) list of go-to lunch stops, but I would recommend that people visit and judge for themselves.

I’m not picking on the Lion. I’ve also crossed Vera’s Café at Wayford off my list, since they changed from serving chips to serving skin-on fries, but they do sell some luverly baked-on-the-premises cakes!  Smile

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


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TerryTibbs    -- May-16-2018 @ 11:04 AM
  That's a very good bench mark to make Pally, if a business that can't be bothered to peel a few spuds to produce hand cut chips then one needs to consider what other shortcuts they take. A lot of restaurants serve up cater pack meals as "home cooked" when in fact they are catering "a la ding"

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.


kfurbank    -- May-16-2018 @ 12:03 PM
  Some things are very easy to say, but a lot harder to do. Just peel a few spuds! A lot of customers want their food on the table 1 minute after its been ordered. Peeling spuds adds more preparation time, unless they are prepared in advance and here's the problem. Just how many spuds does a pub need to peel in the morning to cater for the days service. Will it be 100 covers, or 200 covers today? Get it wrong and you run out, or end up with a lot of wastage. Peeled spuds do not keep long even with stay white.

Just because The BA make a request, don't automatically assume they have the powers to make such requests!! Keeping a careful eye on an Authority which is making it's own rules.


Paladine    -- May-16-2018 @ 12:16 PM
 
Fortunately, as a customer, I don't have to concern myself with such worries. All I can say is I didn't spend any money in the Lion, for the reasons given. I drove for another 10 minutes and was rewarded with a very tasty steak & ale pie, real chips and peas. OK, it might have been cooked-to-the-ding, but I ate every morsel and thoroughly enjoyed it.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


Pubman    -- May-16-2018 @ 12:49 PM
  sorry you didn't eat with us paladine. we do however offer fries or a choice of handcut twice cooked real chips on our menu and we serve handmade pies made by swannington farm to fork so hopefully you will try our offerings in the future.

rick

www.thewhitehorseinnneatishead.co
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TerryTibbs    -- May-16-2018 @ 12:50 PM
  "Some things are very easy to say, but a lot harder to do. Just peel a few spuds!"

Keith a commercial potato peeler that can peel 20 kgs in 3 minutes can be bought new or between £7-800 new or £3-350 for a second hand unit. Chips once cut if covered with a wet cloth in a bucket will stay white for at least an hour, as they do in Fish and Chip shops.A decent prep Chef could peel and chip 5 kgs in less than 10 minutes. So both options are viable.

Dave

if it is to be it is up to me.


Paladine    -- May-16-2018 @ 4:31 PM
 
Pubman, our visit was at lunch time. Mrs P was going to have the ham, egg and chips. I was going to have the gammon, which was shown on the menu as being accompanied with skinny fries. I asked the chap behind the bar if I could have chips instead of the skinny fries, and were the chips with skin on or off. He said the substitution could be made and the chips had the skin off.

We went to find a table, then I returned to the bar to order, by which time the chips had changed from skin off to skin on, so we left. I was not offered 'proper' chips, single, double or triple cooked. If 'proper' chips are available, you need to tell your staff. They weren't offered and weren't shown on the menu.

"..for the avoidance of any doubt, the broads are not legally a national park and do not come under the national park legislation, and nor will they."
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for DEFRA (Hansard 2015)


Harlequin    -- May-18-2018 @ 10:28 PM
  It must be impossible for any establishment to cater for all of our foibles.
Paladine gives a spot on example (we all have such foibles) of the difficulties pubs / eateries must have. I prefer skin on chips. Pubman has to either cover every base or guess whether it is Paladine or I turning up for lunch!
I went to the Lion a couple of times last weekend. I will not give any details or review other than that it is certainly a work in progress... but seems to be getting there. I at least, was not disappointed with my visits. (Maybe because my meal did not include chips of any ilk! ??)
I agree with Paladine and others that people should check places personally and make up their own minds.




This message was edited by Harlequin on May-18-18 @ 11:29 PM


Nickyboy    -- May-19-2018 @ 4:28 AM
  Perhaps someone could turn up for breakfast and post about the experience (i wont say review) as Lion advertised they were starting offering breafast again from this morning onwards. Hope their meat deliveries/tests/staff are now sorted for them in the mornings

Im afraid i wont be going again to Lion (for breakfast), although i did go for breafast at 9.30 yesterday at Ship Inn off South Walsham broad and was wonderful.

Nick


Chicol    -- Aug-12-2018 @ 8:21 PM
  Had breakfast there last week, it was really good. This year the evening menu is larger, had a couple of great meals during July and august.

Chicol


annville    -- Aug-13-2018 @ 9:39 AM
  Thats nice to hear, it must be difficult to get things running right when you rely on so many different people when starting up afresh.John


batrabill    -- Aug-13-2018 @ 10:03 AM
  I think The Lion is really starting to hit it's stride. Food is good and plentiful. They are absolutely committed to cooking fresh.

Obviously been a lot of work to get there but, use it or lose it!

Bill


stevebrassett    -- Aug-13-2018 @ 8:06 PM
  I've been to the Lion a few times in the last few weeks.  Good food, good beer, good pork scratchings and friendly staff.  What more can you ask for?


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